Debunk: Jailbroken apps on a non-jailbroken iPhone? Not quite
By Joshua Topolsky 
posted Mar 24th 2009 8:17PM
posted Mar 24th 2009 8:17PM
You may have seen some reports today about a new app from Ripdev called InstallerApp, which some people have mistakenly been covering as a desktop client that lets you install Cydia and Installer apps without having to jailbreak your iPhone using something like PwnageTool. Just to set the record straight, here's the deal: InstallerApp is a kind of jailbreaking tool (let's call it "jailbreaking lite") coupled with a separate application management client for your computer. From what we can tell, the first thing it does is jailbreak your device (or, if you're already jailbroken, installs some additional software so it can talk to your phone). In no way is it allowing you to install non-Apple-approved apps onto a non-jailbroken phone: it's tweaking your underlying system to allow for those apps to run, and giving you an iTunes replacement to add and delete programs on your device. Keep in mind, RipDev is charging $7 for this, which isn't a bundle, but not free either... unlike PwnageTool and QuickPwn, which essentially do the same thing (minus the desktop client). We're not saying it's not a useful app -- it might be to some -- it just isn't the "get out of jail free" solution that you may have heard it is. And now you know... which is half the battle.
Then what is the point of this?
Thats what she said
the point is that someone did their research before reporting on it.
What's the other half of the battle?
Geez, I haven't heard that saying in about 2 decades...
Shooting someone.
The phrase will be back in full force this summer!
Actually...it doesnt give the user root access to the iPhone... and because we can all play with words that really isnt jailbreaking. I think the issue that Apple has is that jailbreaking gives access to the root and because InstallerApp doesnt give the user DIRECT access, it really isnt jailbreaking.
N41
If you can install something on your phone that isn't from the AppStore, then you have jailbroken and voided your warranty. Period.
Dr Spaceman - could you show me where in Apple's warranty it says that the warranty is voided if you jailbreak? Kthxbai.
Plus, if you're all about pirating cracked apps, all you need to do is still the IPA into iTunes with a hacked MobileInstallation file and you're "good to go".
'course, I'm not endorsing that here, but actually profiting from other's work is a new level of shady.
Actually not, I tried that (just to see, I'm not a person who pirates everything) and itunes says the app could not be verified and won't sync it.
I guess you did it wrong, mine works just fine with any ipa I download.
im fine with the 5 minutes it takes to jailbreak
Go Joe!!!!
+1 for actually getting the G.I. Joe reference.
This is RipDev continuing to fight dirty - while Saurik continues to quietly improve Cydia through slow but sure iteration, the RipDev crew continues to run a dirt-smearing campaign of slander against his work, neglecting the fact that if they have an issue with it, it's all open-source, so they can fix it and use it how they wish - which amusingly they actually are doing with this new program.
I stopped even giving RipDev a second glance after they made a big blog post complaining about a tiny bug in MobileSubstrate that "supposedly" hurt performance - which Saurik proceeded to fix within a matter of days, and since MS is open-source, they just could have sent him the patch and he would have rolled it in - that they used to push their own ripoff of MS. They are crooked devs who are willing to impair the iPhone jailbreak development community for their own profit, and I refuse to put any of their code on my iPod.
Cydia, Winterboard, & QuickPwn >>>>> Installer.app 4.0, Kate, & Pusher
(Installer.app 3.0, however, was AWESOME - big ups to the NullRiver dudes)
I'd do the same if it was practical. However, Cydia does this annoying thing where it suddenly goes "Reloading Data" in the middle of a download backs out, and then I have to start over again. When I'm downloading on EDGE (Free WiFi isn't everywhere, and I only have a wired router at home) that is a really big hit to my data account (I only get 500MB/month, gotta be careful). Installer doesn't do that.
Debunk: Who gives a flying fuck?
Let's talk about the Nokia's and Samsung's.
You suck. I don't like you.
"...it just isn't the "get into jail free" solution that you may have heard it is."
Technically, you're still trying to break out of jail, since it's called jailBREAK right?
You might be right. Let me fix that.
Why would anyone jailbreak an iPhone? It's already perfect. Jailbreaking just makes it worse.
shut up you tool.
actually, it really doesnt. I jailbroke mine simply for the ability to add themes, and to be able to use decent sms apps etc.
I can now reply to an sms that comes in without leaving my current app, i just tap on the bubble that appears, and a keyboard comes up, and i type a quick reply. Who says multitasking doesnt exist?
Says the guy with a jailbroken iPhone for his display pic.
Oh, please. Can't you guys recognise an iPhone-hater-posing-as-iPhone-lover troll when you see one? Apple fans get a bad name because people like you believe that idiots like this are real Apple fans, when they are so obviously haters posing as fans in order to discredit the company, the devices, and the real fans. Grow a brain. Seriously.
iphonerulez... STFU
I must agree on his name though!
An app store for jailbroken iPhones would be very welcome. Finding interesting apps through Cydia is almost impossible. You have to know what you're looking for.
yes ,,i know what im gonna do,jailbreak/unlock my iphone. This way i wont have to worry about being called apple fanboi!!!!!!!!!u think it will work....,???
I will follow your lead... once the 02.30.03 baseband mess is finally solved!
Just gotta make a custom ipsw with 2.2 baseband and 2.2.1 software. Or just stick with 2.2 jailbroken, which is what I've done so far.
Without a license, InstallerApp is a fully functional application, including ability to perform Push procedure and put Installer.app on iPhone — only package installation onto the iPhone is not available.
Don't have to pay the 7 bucks...
Hi, I think you are forgeting something. DevRip says they sell an application that lets you install applications that are not in the App Store on non-jailbroken phones. They not say that they'll release your iPhone,so if they do that without my consent and without notifyme, the I may sue. Another thing is that my best friend installed InstallerApp on your iPhone and it can still sync with iTunes normally, without any error message ..... how you explain that?
So? You can sync jailbroken iPhones with iTunes. In fact, I don't know of anything a stock iPhone can do that a jailbroken can't.
Jailbreaking adds functions, it doesn't take any away. That's the whole point.
I just posted this on cultofmac "DAMN! I paid for it. DID NOT WORK FOR ME EITHER. I want to believe this is a legitimate app (based off of what cultofmac posting it here), but I am having serious doubt. I emailed the developers about it NOT WORKING and I will wait to hear from them for the benefit of the doubt. I tell you one thing though, the way I read the description on cultofmac and then read the engadget DEBUNK sure makes me think perhaps cultofmac did not test it???
I will let you guys know if the developers get back with me or not. $7.00 is $7.00!!!!!!!"
I hope this gets resolved. I feel DECEIVED.
Hey Guys, there is something I just caught in the manual that is causing the install process to freeze... Basically if it isnt installing it is because the phone isnt going into DFU mode properly.. (caused by the type of mac or the fact that you are running 10.5.6) you need to connect your phone to the mac through a USB hub (the usb ports on the back of a cinema display serves the same purpose)..
After connecting through the display it worked great..
Hey guys I know this is completely unrelated to the post, but does anyone know where I could find a Seagate FreeAgent Go icon for my desktop? And/or a Garmin 250W icon? I you know or know where I shoul ask could you let me know?
Installer sucks. Cydia is better! :)
The ICY app from ripdev is free and allows access to the Cydia sources directly from the phone over 3G. I've installed on three iPhone's with no problems and they all work fine.
The Seagate HDD is black*
Iphone rules
I wonder when the Iphone will reduce it's price
I wonder when people will stop spamming.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spam_(electronic)
If you're gonna jailbreak your iPhone, you might as well go the whole way.
And you'd have to be pretty damn stupid to ever get caught and have your warranty voided for jailbreaking your iPhone, because if DFU restore doesn't work, which it almost always does, then obviously the guy at the Apple store isn't going to know you're lying when you tell him, "It just stopped working", and the iPhone can't start up no matter what.
Thank you for clarifying this Josh. I was hoping someone would do this since the sites that posted this dumb shit are too stupid to take it down.
PS: I hope this makes everyone realize how RipDev got their name. It originally was RipUse (Rip off users).
InstallerApp from RipDev is reviewed here:
http://iphone.lokwat.com/2009/03/27/review-installerapp-from-ripdevcom/
v1.0.1 is out and it works 100% every time for me where the original failed miserable every time. I was able to install keyboards, themes and xGPS in no time flat...