BBC breaks down the new DRM rules for Blu-ray recorders
By Richard Lawler 
posted Apr 17th 2009 4:01PM
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I want to see MPAA folks login here and start spamming, "DRM 4EVA!"
The MPAA (and by extension RIAA) doesn't know how to use the Internet, just how to bitch about it.
I love how they used graphics of the padlock from iphone JAILBREAKER.
These people seriously think someone won't reverse engineer copyright breakers for DRM once this stuff is proliferated.
I say BRING IT ON.
Disc media recording is so 20th Century. It's just DVD recording on a bigger platter, with a bigger pixel depth and a bigger bit rate. That's it. It still suffers from the same flaws as the original CD/DVD technology. Uses tones of plastic, attracts dust, scratch-able, collections take up huge amounts of space, early devices expensive and buggy, boot times of players are waaaaaaaay too long....
The future of film and video media distribution is computer based. (Hard Drive/SSD/Media Card/Internet Streaming.) These will cost less in almost every way I can think of. Manufacturing, distribution, maintenance, repair, shipping and so on while reaching more people and will be accessible to a wider array of devices creating more markets and opportunities for revenue streams.
DRM?, we don't need no stinking DRM!
With that 1 diagram the license fee has paid for iself! :D
Not having to watch adverts, and a broadcaster that listens to its viewers makes every penny of the license fee worthwhile :) Plus, IMO, BBC make some of the best telly :)
Yeah BBC makes the best telly.. for the elderly .
So now I can buy my own DRM making machine and encrypt all the unencrypted OTA transmissions? Wow, where do I line up to buy this?
Yes it doesn't make an awful lot of sense, does it. How long until someone creates a chipped PVR, or a satellite receiver for a PC?
I don't understand how this affects anyone, as the hacking gods will crack this in record time, if they haven't done so already.
Well it affects some people: the honest customers. Because they can't play their stuff.
Man, I really hope, that the media industry dies with their brilliant strategy of screwing over and suing their customers.
@Sebastian: As do I. Nothing better than seeing jerks go out of business by alienating the people who actually buy the goods.
As long as you don't host anything, I can't see why you can't remove the DRM for personal use, and still be an honest customer.
This is crap. As a license fee payer I figure I should own the content the BBC produces already. Therefore, why do I need their permission to decide how I use that content?
Also, what's this protected network nonsense? Once the BBC actually get around to broadcasting HD via Freeview I'll expect to be able to record it on my HTPC and then watch it on whichever PC I want to. I shouldn't have to jump through any hoops to achieve that.
Of course, none of this matters while the BBC continues producing the crap they regularly churn out.
The thing is the BBC doesn't even own most of the content it shows so it can't be expected to give it away. Most content on the beeb is only partially funded by the BBC in order to get the broadcast rights for a limited period of time - i.e. 6 months. After this these rights revert to the company that actually made the show.
It's a crappy system that as you say produces mostly crappy shows with the occasional gem, however you have to understand where they're coming from.
(btw I might be being a complete noob but isn't freeview SD only? are you talking about freesat? they already broadcast HD on that)
A new device that adds DRM (and crypto) to DRM-free (and crypto-free) content.
The source is unencrypted....why would i bother with anything else down the chain? This doesn't make sense.
Curse DRM. I couldn't play a purchased Blu-Ray on my PC's BD-Drive because my 22" monitor was not compliant. So, instead, I learned about ripping Blu-Rays. If it wasn't for their DRM I'd never have learned to rip stuff.
Idiots.
good point. usually the victims of DRM are "law abiding" citizens like yourself. Well, until they learn how to bypass those laws. DRM will never work
Slysoft Anydvd HD, it got me around so many problems...
What a useless effort
Copyrights completely inhibit good technology. This chart pisses me off.
Standard definition copies?
It's so funny to see that they didn't find a way to lock the all chain... loosers! LLL
Just use USB flash keys, they are faster and cost a lot less than recordable Blu Ray media .. and will prolly cost less than the disks too within a.couple years
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I don't think so, Your saying one thin layer of plastic that can be produce in mere seconds could be more expensive than a USB drive?
They are right now and the prices of Flash media is falling while speed and capacity are going up. No need to buy a Blu Ray player either
It''s a thin layer of plastic that has a ton of chemicals and must be produced dust-free, and the producers have to pay license fees to sony for the privilege, so yeah I'd not be surprised flash can compete, soon.
Wwhat, get educated: http://www.blu-raydisc.com/en/about/SupportingCompanies.html
You area tpypical idiot who doesn't grasp the difference between cheap mass produced plastic and discounted bulk bought usb sticks.
Funny thing is; DRM has been hacked across almost all platforms. The first DRM were hacked within a week of coming out, I do believe it was Microcrap,
I think I see a problem with this approach. Hint: Top left of the diagram
How fitting the other problem is at the top right.
Is this what's supposed to be preventing those high quality Blu-Ray rips that I can easily download right now?
DRM 4EVA
lol
Nah, I find it ridiculously stupid that companies would spend so much money making DRM/encryption that *WILL* be broken/worked around soon enough....
So it's unencrypted over the air, but dangerous things might happen on the route to my telly? This paranoia would be hilarious if it wasn't oppressively limiting.
All you need is time, all you need is time. As time goes by some body at some where will figure out a way to bypass it, I am sure. Just look at what the situation is for copying films on DVDs.
I see they still refuse to patch the gaping hole in this system.
Hint: it's the black rectangle under "Main TV"
The only DRM that will ever be effective is the DRM that keeps anyone, anywhere from ever seeing or hearing your media.
My slightly techno-phobic dad's response to this: "WTF?!?! I could easily tape TV programmes with a VCR before!"
If anyone needs proof that it's not just a bunch of jumped-up geeks who are getting wound up by DRM and media companies in general, this is it. I rest my case.
Old VHS had macrovision protection that messed up recordings of tape on tape, and depending on the driver also recordings with capture cards.
Ironically the capturecards drivers started to support macrovision more and more after the whole VHS quality/resolution/system was already obsolete.
The madness never stops on planet earth.
Seriously, this is one of the reasons that I refuse to purchase a new AV system, and I will for sure not be getting a dedicated BR player: all this DRM crap. I have no problem paying for content, but I WILL use the content as I see fit or I WILL NOT pay for it. Until these assholes come correct I have no choice but to implement my plan (which is better and more evil than Hulu's BTW):
Get Netflix account
Get AnyDVD HD
???
Profit!
I see what you did thar
If the signal is unencrypted OTA, can't you record it somehow with a normal TV tuner without using the PVR or am I missing something..
Regardless, this DRM setup will no doubt be instantly cracked at some point in the chain... I wouldn't be suprised if they figure out how to disable HDCP on the burned Bluray copies..
Or just use mythtv to record and playback like I do.
The only problem is the huge filesizes (approx 10gb per hour) which eat up space.
HD-DVRs like the TiVoHD solve all these problems, by allowing you to do whatever you want with the video. Including transferring it to your computer to burn Blu-Ray, DVD, or VCD discs, or transfer to your favorite MP4 video player.
Let's see now... If (as proposed) one uses a BluRay disc to encode in BluRay disc format a movie it will be locked...
Why not encode it using some other codec, like xvid with AAC soundfor example, the AVI files then could be recoded for whatever other thing you own (like your iPhone, PMP, et al) sans DRM ... but then, the twist... You save a bunch of those 4+GB files into a BluRay Disc... as normal proper files just for backup purposes...
Oh, I know, you'll say "But that won't work with my BluRay player, it doesn't decode AVI files". And you are absolutely right, so why not get a computer with a nice video and sound card and connect it to your tv... It won't be difficult to operate it if you have Boxee or XBMC on it... Your BluRay discs will just be a medium where you write stuff and not contain any DRM unless you want them to.
Just my two cents
More restrictions, please!
With measures like this, why would you bother to be legal?
What's remarkable to me is imagining the world in which they think this would work: where every computer, router, ISP, blu-ray player, TV, stereo, etc, keeps careful tabs on each and every piece of media you put through it, constantly monitoring to make sure you haven't exceeded your watches/listens/copies/bandwidth. None of us would "own" anything in the now-obsolete sense of the word, and every device we "own" would owe its fundamental allegiance to the copyright police. The pieces are all there: my iPhone won't let me run any program Apple doesn't approve; my computer won't let me play a blu-ray on the wrong type of monitor; Amazon can disable my ebook reader if I piss them off on some totally unrelated transaction. The pieces are all there, but I can't see it working, it's just too complicated for the surveillance state to manage, and will probably go the way of DRM for music. But the frightening thing is that all of these corporations and corporate drones really do want such a world, where all of our media, devices, and programs spy on everything we do to make sure no entertainment is had illicitly. Those people are psycho.
This way they only pass to China...
Good job! Really...