Acer AspireRevo review
We've been thrilling to the ride of Acer's Ion-powered AspireRevo for a couple of weeks now, and despite its diminutive size and price tag, there's plenty to talk about. The model we tested included an Atom 230 processor, 2GB of RAM, and a 250GB 2.5-inch HDD for what we've heard will carry a suggested retail price of $299. Check out our full impressions after the break.
Setup
We love us a good out-of-box experience, and were mostly pleasantly surprised at our experience with the Revo -- minus one glaring shortcoming. The device has a small power brick, a helpful (if not incredibly firm) stand, and little else to worry about.
We set it up next to our TV and naturally went for the HDMI port. Unfortunately, on first boot the Revo didn't want to go HDMI, and instead we had to plug in a VGA cable, and then switch to HDMI once it got comfortable. Luckily, the experience post-HDMI is flawless: the computer happily and helpfully pumps surround sound audio out through the HDMI cable, we literally didn't touch a thing to set it up in that regard. We plugged in the Lite-On Blu-ray drive included in our reviewer kit (a standalone product which will be available for $99 this summer), and Revo picked it right away, and before we knew it we were watching a Blu-ray movie with the pre-installed CyberLink PowerDVD 9 software.
Our Revo came with a lot of pre-installed software that was nice for showing off Ion's capabilities, but "perks" like Google Desktop and the ultra-pervasive McAfee (it showed up in our clean install of Firefox in true crapware form) aren't very welcome on a machine that needs all the CPU headroom it can get.
Performance
This is really a tale of two chips: the CPU and the GPU. Sadly, while we were very impressed with NVIDIA Ion's performance (it's basically the GeForce 9400m for cheap and low-power computers), the sluggish Atom 230 processor almost ruins it for everybody. The fact that Ion can run Vista is also a bit of a double-edged sword: accelerated interface elements like Aero Glass and Flip3D are great, and the windowing system is much snappier than traditional netbooks, but they come at the cost of an overall performance hit over running XP -- hopefully Windows 7 will arrive soon to save us from that conundrum.
Startup is fairly quick, but the time to a "usable" desktop can be quite a bit longer -- it took us almost as long to open Firefox as it did to land on the desktop from a cold boot.
Oddly enough, we found web browsing -- the supposed heart of a "net"top experience -- to be the most lacking. Sometimes we felt like we were having connection problems, and in fact Gmail at times would stop working entirely since it thought it was having so much trouble getting its packets through -- we seemed to fare better on Ethernet than with WiFi. Internet Explorer is a complete nightmare, but while we had a better time with Firefox and even better in Chrome, we wouldn't feel comfortable doing "heavy" browsing on the system on a daily basis.
Video playback is the real winner here, with accelerated 1080p video in all sorts of flavors. Unfortunately, you have to know what you're doing. For instance, a 1080p QuickTime movie plays nice and accelerated in PowerDVD, but horribly in actual QuickTime, since it's not GPU-accelerated. Blu-ray movies also work great, but you have to wait through a sluggish start-up time and interface unresponsiveness of PowerDVD.
The slick CUDA-powered Badaboom transcoding software makes very quick work of hefty transcoding jobs, turning 720p camcorder footage into teensy iPhone-friendly videos in minutes -- one of the more impressive displays of Ion force.
Unfortunately, Flash video playback was a real trial for the Revo. Hulu played fine at low-res inside a window, but when we went fullscreen it got all choppy. YouTube was surprisingly even worse, not managing a full frame rate at even low quality. With Flash video being one of the number one things people want to do with a media PC these days, it would behoove NVIDIA and Adobe to get things better accelerated here in the near future -- they both say they're working on it, but it's hard to tell when we'll get straight, pervasive GPU acceleration of Flash video playback, and we've gotten slightly conflicting reports from both sides on how the limited existing GPU acceleration in Flash 10 is supposed to work.
Spore (after a rather long install process) plays great, with only a few minor slowdowns, and we'd imagine games like World of Warcraft would be very well suited to the system. Unfortunately, while a game like Team Fortress 2 "runs," we'd hardly call it a livable solution without some severe downgrading in graphics and framerate issues.
Despite all of these strains, the Revo was usually the quietest thing in our apartment, making it a prime candidate for the home entertainment jobs it's purposed for. Sadly, we encountered a bug at one point that made it completely mute, somehow shutting off the sound out through HDMI. A restart had us going again.
Wrap-up
The Revo is a really odd mix, a device that can excel at "enthusiast" applications like video transcoding and gaming, but struggles with a basic web app or YouTube. It seems Joe consumer -- the supposed target of such a device -- will gravitate to the Revo for its low price, but might be a bit disappointed by the seeming inconsistency in performance, or confused by the need to buy an external disc drive. High-end users will know exactly how to put the Revo to good use, but for a couple more hundies they could get a lot more CPU power in perhaps a Dell Studio Hybrid or Mac mini. We're sure the market will solve all this -- there's no denying that it's a lot of bang for the buck -- but we'd say nettop manufacturers should try pairing Ion with higher performance chips as soon as possible, and hopefully they can hit a bit broader of a target.
Note: we experienced occasional crashes during testing. After speaking with NVIDIA, it sounds like there was a glitch with our unit, and they're sending us a replacement to test and see if we can replicate the errors -- we'll let you know if they crop up. The device has been extensively tested by NVIDIA and outside parties in the exact same tasks we performed and no one encountered the problems we had. We're lucky like that.
Setup
We love us a good out-of-box experience, and were mostly pleasantly surprised at our experience with the Revo -- minus one glaring shortcoming. The device has a small power brick, a helpful (if not incredibly firm) stand, and little else to worry about.
We set it up next to our TV and naturally went for the HDMI port. Unfortunately, on first boot the Revo didn't want to go HDMI, and instead we had to plug in a VGA cable, and then switch to HDMI once it got comfortable. Luckily, the experience post-HDMI is flawless: the computer happily and helpfully pumps surround sound audio out through the HDMI cable, we literally didn't touch a thing to set it up in that regard. We plugged in the Lite-On Blu-ray drive included in our reviewer kit (a standalone product which will be available for $99 this summer), and Revo picked it right away, and before we knew it we were watching a Blu-ray movie with the pre-installed CyberLink PowerDVD 9 software.
Our Revo came with a lot of pre-installed software that was nice for showing off Ion's capabilities, but "perks" like Google Desktop and the ultra-pervasive McAfee (it showed up in our clean install of Firefox in true crapware form) aren't very welcome on a machine that needs all the CPU headroom it can get.
Performance
This is really a tale of two chips: the CPU and the GPU. Sadly, while we were very impressed with NVIDIA Ion's performance (it's basically the GeForce 9400m for cheap and low-power computers), the sluggish Atom 230 processor almost ruins it for everybody. The fact that Ion can run Vista is also a bit of a double-edged sword: accelerated interface elements like Aero Glass and Flip3D are great, and the windowing system is much snappier than traditional netbooks, but they come at the cost of an overall performance hit over running XP -- hopefully Windows 7 will arrive soon to save us from that conundrum.
Startup is fairly quick, but the time to a "usable" desktop can be quite a bit longer -- it took us almost as long to open Firefox as it did to land on the desktop from a cold boot.
Oddly enough, we found web browsing -- the supposed heart of a "net"top experience -- to be the most lacking. Sometimes we felt like we were having connection problems, and in fact Gmail at times would stop working entirely since it thought it was having so much trouble getting its packets through -- we seemed to fare better on Ethernet than with WiFi. Internet Explorer is a complete nightmare, but while we had a better time with Firefox and even better in Chrome, we wouldn't feel comfortable doing "heavy" browsing on the system on a daily basis.
Video playback is the real winner here, with accelerated 1080p video in all sorts of flavors. Unfortunately, you have to know what you're doing. For instance, a 1080p QuickTime movie plays nice and accelerated in PowerDVD, but horribly in actual QuickTime, since it's not GPU-accelerated. Blu-ray movies also work great, but you have to wait through a sluggish start-up time and interface unresponsiveness of PowerDVD.



Despite all of these strains, the Revo was usually the quietest thing in our apartment, making it a prime candidate for the home entertainment jobs it's purposed for. Sadly, we encountered a bug at one point that made it completely mute, somehow shutting off the sound out through HDMI. A restart had us going again.
Wrap-up
The Revo is a really odd mix, a device that can excel at "enthusiast" applications like video transcoding and gaming, but struggles with a basic web app or YouTube. It seems Joe consumer -- the supposed target of such a device -- will gravitate to the Revo for its low price, but might be a bit disappointed by the seeming inconsistency in performance, or confused by the need to buy an external disc drive. High-end users will know exactly how to put the Revo to good use, but for a couple more hundies they could get a lot more CPU power in perhaps a Dell Studio Hybrid or Mac mini. We're sure the market will solve all this -- there's no denying that it's a lot of bang for the buck -- but we'd say nettop manufacturers should try pairing Ion with higher performance chips as soon as possible, and hopefully they can hit a bit broader of a target.
Note: we experienced occasional crashes during testing. After speaking with NVIDIA, it sounds like there was a glitch with our unit, and they're sending us a replacement to test and see if we can replicate the errors -- we'll let you know if they crop up. The device has been extensively tested by NVIDIA and outside parties in the exact same tasks we performed and no one encountered the problems we had. We're lucky like that.




























Okay Engadget, you guys are "in" the industry. Any word on when this thing will get a 330 so that people actually want to buy it?
a 330? you mean the processor? (is that the new 2Ghz?) because then i am with you. But i think anything better then the N270 Atom is enough when its being paired up with i0N.
@Dave
It's the dual core.
Just about to comment on that.
The 330's the dual core Atom. It's already available, so hopefully there will be a nettop with an Ion/Atom 330 combination sooner rather than later.
I don't know how drastic the power gains are for atoms higher in the series. I understand that they want to keep the powersupply unit low and cheap and perhaps the wattage down ( probably not who gives a rats a$$ for a desktop ) Which one of us would buy a unit that couldn't play flash within a browser? These guys don't control flash, who btw have got their hands full at this point with the next big update, iphone flash, cpu and gpu acceleration for amd, nvidia and the rest, their only choice is to step it up in hardware while they can get cheap prices from intel.
ADVICE FOR ACER:
Here's a bench mark.. HD flash from hulu and youtube, fullscreen ( throw in a few graphics intensive web pages in other tabs )
think about it, who even knows this product exists? the pc addicts among us right? addicts need power.
If you want power build your own machine. This isn't supposed to be a powerhouse. Granted it's underpowered but for my purposes it seems to do the job well enough.
What I really want to see is the Revo with the new z550 Atom chip... 2.0 GHz FTW :)
Thanks for the review! One question: do other netbooks with same CPU handle flash (youtube) better?
...and an additional $200 in price. As for the Atom 330, it only uses up around an additional 4 watts or so, iirc.
I currently dual-boot Windows Vista Ultimate and Mac OS 10.5.5 on a custom Atom 330 build (using Intel D945GCLF2) motherboard. It's surprisingly usable and responsive even when Aero is turned on. Hulu is a no-go but Windowed YouTube plays fine. I don't have any anti-virus software running on the computer, though (albeit, I do have an Untangle server).
Still don't understand why they'd release a single-core version. Dual-core has become the norm for quite a while and for the small difference in power consumption and price, dual-core is the way to go for nettops. With netbooks, every watt counts since you're trying to save battery life. Nettops don't really have a similar disadvantage.
Struggling with internet media? What a HUGE disappointment for the first Ion-based computer. Major bummer...
yeh this is pretty old news now.!
Yup pretty old news now. It's a weak processor problem though and not problem with the ION. Basically flash doesn't support graphics cards.
A more detailed review over at HotHardware for those interested, including a full tear down, and more benchmarks than you can shake a stick at:
http://hothardware.com/Articles/Acer-Aspire-Revo-SFF-NVIDIA-Ion-PC/
They even have video of the thing playing Hulu, windowed, and you can see it stutter. They kinda miss the point though, thinking that's perfectly acceptable for a home theatre PC. Sure for a 3 minute YouTube clip, but I'm not watching a lot of shows on Hulu like that. Kinda makes their whole review pointless in my opinion. But the details are still worthwhile.
can anyone say CULV with ION???
CULV with ION
VULVE with ION
VULCION? Damn... I thought I had dyslexia beat. :(
VOLTRON GO!
VULVA GONE
CCCCCCOMBO BREAKKERRR!!!
If it runs Vista ok, then it should run 7 great, right?
Where does it say anything about "running Vista ok"? The mentioned specific apps that run poorly on this setup such as flash. This has nothing to do with the OS. This machine won't bottleneck either Vista or 7.
I've rarely seen Vista running better than OK
SP2 does a much better job.
can you just install the latest build of 7 and give us a new review? or is that a no go?
Dear Acer: Please make this slightly bigger and with a C2D or AMD processor that doesn't suck. I'll buy it.
Or maybe a higher-clocked dual core Via Nano - since Ion supports that one already.
Also, this *really* should have an internal BluRay (or at the very least, DVD) drive imho...
Blu-Ray would knock the price up a bit too much, but a $99 add-on for those that want it isn't so bad.
much ado about nothing...
good thing
I was kinda thinking that.. this might be a good machine to play pretty much everything on gog.com.
I guess I should just box my monsterous NES and SNES collection, I think this could be my emulator machine of choice.
I was thinking the same thing. Would like to run legacy and emulated games on something like this, and use it as a Ventrilo/Teamspeak client box.
Can it run Monkey Island?
How I hate adobe and their yearly software updates which make us buy faster and faster processors and RAM. I mean why can´t I use photoshop cs4 with 1GB? Just look how they managed to kill Flash by not letting it work on "slower" machines. I can´t believe that I once admired that company...
Yeah, I actually hope that Silverlight becomes adopted by a few mainstream sites - fat chance for YouTube of course, but maybe other streaming services are more likely to use SL? That would at least force Adobe to actually work on Flash instead of just updating it with useless crap once every blue moon...
Engadget, could you try Silverlight v3-based HD streaming? It uses the GPU, so it *should* work much better than Flash HD streaming...
I agree, Adobe buying Macromedia was the worst thing for Flash, and it hasn't done much for Dreamweaver either, but I digress.
@L: Take a look at this :)
http://blogs.msdn.com/stevecla01/archive/2009/03/19/youtube-using-silverlight.aspx
I'm glad someone realizes the benefits of using Silverlight over Flash.
Hey guys lets all move from one proproetary format that sucks to another one that will suck just as much!!!
seriously modern web browsers are implementing SVG and of course direct video playback via tags (I think the next version of firefox is supposed to have it if it doesn't now that is... kinda hard to test it on dialup XD ) flash and silverlight are built around oblolete business practices mainly the idea that you can't make more money by keeping source code under lock and key which might be true but doesn't make it right or fair
perhaps it is the first googel android systems mini netbook , a680 will start on sale in June , 2009
Sweet. I have been wondering when we would see a basic review of this little beast.
1. XMBC or Boxee tests? I am looking at one for a cheap HTPC.
2. Ubuntu or other linux distro tests?
3. Did this model come with that Wii-like remote?
where's the test with XBMC for Linux w/ VDPAU?
Where's the distro that provides gpu-accelerated decoding out of the box?
It takes 2 clicks in Ubuntu jackass.
Yem,
Seriously, make sure you know what you are talking about before you open your yapper. Out of the box support has been alive and well for about a month. XBMC FTW!
I'm waiting to see how this runs as a Linux media box... This might be nice running as a media server and set top Myth/Boxee. Ever since talk of the eeebox, I've been waiting for a perfect small machine for that task. Obviously the eee didn't cut it.
As someone who had high hopes for the Aspire Revo as a VESA-mounted solution for home video and web browsing, this is disappointing news. Hopefully these CPU problems get solved fast...there is a much bigger market for people who want to use this kind of box for web browsing/video than for those who only want to live in CyberLink PowerDVD.
I really miss a test with the latest XBMC (linux) and VDPAU where you play 1080p x264 MKV's on this device
You didn't miss it, because it wasn't there. ;)
the price is good, but choppy even for hulu? I am disappointed, waiting for an upgraded version. maybe new atom based system will catch up