Apple rumors seem especially rampant in this year's run-up to the Worldwide Developers Conference. With all the fuss focused upon a
rumored 10-inch device that fits somewhere in between Apple's MacBooks and iPod touch, these poor ol' iPhone rumors just can't get any attention. Riiight. The latest has
BusinessWeek offering
further testimonial that video recording will be heavily featured in the summer release of the 3.0 firmware and presumed third generation iPhone. According to a source familiar with Apple's plans, the next iPhone will make shooting video super simple and feature an iMovie App that enables on-phone editing and uploads direct to YouTube. If true it would certainly be a welcomed update for first and second gen iPhone users and something we'd expect Apple to tout loudly as a major new feature on a new device
or two sporting
beefier cameras.
[Via
MacRumors]
posted May 1st 2009 3:13AM
haha, this is the First time i have seen a lense that big
I assume you mean a lens that big attached to a phone, otherwise you really need to get out more.
These things are selling on DX since the first camera phone came out. Where were you all these times?
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.10813
HAHA, YOU SAID FIRST THE FIRST POST
@Jon
Also Nokia have done this since at least 2007.
Silly fanboy is silly.
@theSuburbanWhiteBoy
i think that was the intention,
hence the capitol F
Unless they bump up the camera specs so that the iPhone actually competes with other phones in its class, nobodys gonna care.
Correction: it doesn't matter what the specs look like or even what the video quality looks like, people will go nuts. That's just how it works with Apple.
@ Gad Get
If apple were the people to release Vista (obviously impossible), the world would probably go nuts for it.
"If apple were the people to release Vista (obviously impossible), the world would probably go nuts for it."
No, I don't believe Apple is even capable or releasing something like Vista.
And if they did, people, even the most ardent of fans would not embrace it at all. It would be a Paradox anyway.
I agree with the monkey (XD). The iPhones camera can't even manage to take stills with no distortion unless you hold it perfectly still. They have to do more than upgrade the mp's of the camera; they have to put in a camera with dramatically faster capture speeds.
I don't think they'd be dumb enough to push video this much without putting in a capable camera though.
@Skeezle
OS X 10.0 or what?
Trust Apple to hype up a feature that's been around for ages, and act as though they've reinvented the wheel.
Just wait until Apple takes us back to 2004 and introduces video calls. The fanboys will go crazy!
Since Apple has stated nothing about this, it is developers sorting through the iPhone OS X 3.0 code that have found evidence of video recording your post is FUD.
The software will be much better than anything else. Thats what Apple does. They spend more time on projects and the results are always much better. People notice.
Yes Nokia phones have had it for a while to much success. Hopefully Apple does do this and does it will. It would be really cool.
I think the real innovation is the possible on device video editing capability. That's really cool!!!
yes, it's true. Apple is sometimes late to the party (think GUI, WiFi, MP3 players, mobile phones...) The difference is, by not being first, they take take the time to do it right. If the iPhone came out in 2002 or the iPod in 1997, they would have failed miserably. Apple's made an empire out of watching the marketplace, finding out what people want, using hype and critical comments of other companies to create a need, and then landing a product that blows people away.
It's not the first guy at the party that goes home with the girl, it's the cool kid that shows up fashionably late.
@Jon the phone i bought in 2005 had video editing so that's nothing new either
Why are there so many "somebody else did it already" posts? Has Apple claimed to be the first company to do it? Has Apple said anything at all about this? You're all acting like they did, but here's a hint - they didn't. Get over it. You know it will work better than Nokia's setup, or anybody else's for that matter. That's what Apple does.
From what I have read it is a hardware limitation of the current iPhones not having video recording. So the next iPhone will be able to record and edit video (only 3-4 years behind the competition!) but unless there is a breakthrough the current ones never will.
@Zak
Like their camera works better than anyone elses? In its class the iPhone has hands down the worst camera experience.
The iPhone does some things very very well and others very very poorly. The other phone makers should (and are) learning from the things its done well, but lets not act like they are all the sudden Apple is going to get their act together about the things they've screwed up so far.
Janus - you're complaining about the quality of the camera that's only an issue because of the thickness of the phone. As was pointed out above, when you have a thicker (bulkier, heavier) phone, there is more room for better optics. And since it's a PHONE and not a camera, the quality of the camera should not be the motivation for the phone. Right?
Saying its hands down the worst camera experience is pretty ignorant. There are a lot of other "smartphones" with 2MP cameras, and the user interface issues on those cameras are quite a bit worse. Quality aside, the iPhone camera is still one of the simplest to operate. One button to camera, one button to shoot. Calling that the worst camera experience is really ignoring how bad it is on so many other phones.
The only people that have to get their act together is everybody following in Apple's footsteps regarding interface and design. Apple makes Final Cut Pro, do you really think they're going to have a problem creating a good video editing app for the iPhone?
@Zak
#1 - I said worst camera "in its class" which it is. The iPhone is priced on the very high end. And it also lacks a shutter key, unless you get apps to make the volume rocker into the shutter key which is a poor solution at best and sad that you have to go there.
#2 - The iPhone doesn't have a good camera because its too thick? No, the iPhone doesn't have a good camera so Apple can keep production costs down. They aren't selling the phone based on having a good camera, so don't pretend like it does.
And if its too thick to have a good camera well then I guess Apple is just kinda crappy in that department.
iPhone - 12.3mm thick - 2 MP (no video, no bells and whistles, not even a shutter key)
LG Arena - 12.0 mm thick - 5 MP (Schneider-Kreuznach optics, autofocus, LED flash)
Omnia - 12.5mm thick - 5 MP (autofocus, LED flash, Geo-tagging, face and smile detection, image stabilization)
Hmmm.
Oy. I like how you associate megapixels with optics, like most of the other morons here. That's classic. You also said it has the worst camera experience in its class, which is false as I pointed out in my last post, which you apparently didn't read. Your complaints about not having a shutter key are stupid at best. It's a PHONE. Is there something about that concept that you're not quite getting?
And please keep making assumptions about why the iPhone doesn't have a better camera, like keeping costs down. And I shouldn't have to point out that the Omnia and the Arena are both worse PHONES than the iPhone. And what was the priority? Oh yeah, creating a PHONE. Seriously, the arguments you're making would lead somebody to believe that you think a camera is the most important part of a phone.
Hopefully that's not really what you think, because that would be stupid. You want good pictures, you use a camera.
@Zak
I'm starting to suspect you may just be a troll, but here we go anyways.
"Oy. I like how you associate megapixels with optics, like most of the other morons here. That's classic."
I pointed out that the Arena had Schneider-Kreuznach optics so please, learn to read. And if you get good enough at reading, go ahead and read reviews and check out pictures of each of those phones cameras and you can go ahead and learn that the iPhone is absolutely crushed comparatively. That is NOT debatable.
"And please keep making assumptions about why the iPhone doesn't have a better camera, like keeping costs down."
Yes, I will make those assumptions. Do you have a better one? Oh right, your assumption was that it was too thin to have that good of a camera and you were wrong. That's right.
"And I shouldn't have to point out that the Omnia and the Arena are both worse PHONES than the iPhone. And what was the priority? Oh yeah, creating a PHONE."
First off, that you are just assuming it is a better phone than those two and you "shouldn't have to point it out" scores you serious fanboy points. What makes it a better phone? A terrible speakerphone?
Speakerphone test/dB (Voice - Pink noise/Music - Ringing phone - Overall score
Apple iPhone 1G 67.2 60.2 66.6 Below Average
Apple iPhone 3G 66.1 62.1 71.7 Below Average
Samsung Armani 69.7 64.6 71.0 Average
Samsung F480 Tocco 66.3 66.6 75.7 Good
LG KU990 Viewty 72.0 68.8 77.8 Good
Samsung Omnia 70.2 64.8 75.2 Good
LG Arena 70.9 68.2 78.3 Good
Nokia N95 77.3 66.6 78.0 Very Good
LG KF750 Secret 75.6 72.7 82.8 Excellent
Or maybe what makes it a better phone is being bound to a network notorious for dropping calls?
"Seriously, the arguments you're making would lead somebody to believe that you think a camera is the most important part of a phone. Hopefully that's not really what you think, because that would be stupid. You want good pictures, you use a camera."
I never made that argument. And it depends on the phone. On some phones (INNOV8, Pixon) it's a main selling point. In the iPhone's case, it certainly is not. So don't get all pissy when people point that out.
@G
Hahaha, yeah, I'm sure your phone from 2005 had AMAZING video editing capabilities and the ability to upload directly to YouTube. Please. I'm not doubting that phones have had video editing capabilities, but throw in iMovie functionality (with rendering, audio effects, and maybe voice over) and that's something that no other phone has been able to deliver or market yet.
Zak, get over it. the iphone's camera is obscenely shitty, and there are TONS of phones out there just as thin with much better image quality.
Jon: found this in one google search:
http://www.trakax.com/software/mobile/
and i'm sure there are others. so yeah Windows Mobile users have been editing video for a while. this iMovie app is nothing new.
@Jon: the video editing capabilities were actually quite good, cutting videos, merging videos with various transitions, adding sounds and slow motion and that's basically all the video editing i want to do on a phone. of course my 2007 phone added some other stuff like adding captions, still images and a bunch of stuff i haven't tried yet.
Sounds awsome. Hope it's actually true and not just a rumor.
the ladies are always talking about my "rumored 10-inch' device"
That's what she said.
...Wait....
Great. More crappy YouTube videos.
Amen brother.
Hey Doug howz it going. Long time no see.
That's the funniest thing I've seen all week.
Sources close to Apple state that by the end of 2009, they will have Camera quality close to that of cell phones from japan back in 2005.
That isn't likely. The new camera is rumoured to likely be 3.2mpx, with a much less likely rumour of 5mpx. But that doesn't ensure picture quality. Apple will have a much tougher time producing quality images than other handset vendors as they push to make their phone thinner and thinner. Since Japanese phones are usually thick brick devices they can easily contain a much better CMOS and lens.
Sources close to Apple state that by the end of 2009, they will have Camera quality close to that of cell phones from japan back in 2005.
...and Japanese phone companies from 2005 are going out of business in 2009/2010 as Apple posts record quarters largely due to the inept, tech-lacking iPhone that people are not going to want. Fortunately for Apple, the Japanese engineers that designed those phones will be looking for jobs, and maybe get them @ Apple.
@Skeezle
Yeah, who cares about legitimate criticisms of the phone's somewhat lacking spec sheet and just point out it sells well!
Before being an iPhone fanboy, lemme guess, Razr fanboy?
Never owned either one, I am a fanboy of reality. What about my post do you dispute?
No, you're just an asshole.
True. But look at the iPhone itself, before, almost all touchscreens were resistive and certainly not multitouch. Before the app store, only smart/geeky people downloaded apps to phones, now everyone can download any of 28,000+ apps. If apple does recording, it will be low res, hav awful limitations, and be totally amazing.
There is more evidence from the developers with the betas that the next iPhone will be able to play 720p. What it will record in is a different story, but it should be able to do the 480p that is SDTV, but based on the width it would be considered EDTV. That is Hulu's "high def" option, which isn't so bad. Though it still comes down to bitrate in the end. I assume sound will be horrible.
I'm not sure why, but I become deeply and personally offended whenever somebody casually mentions the number of programs available in the App Store in a sentence. I think I'm going to start listing how many baseball cards I own in every post, it's equally pointless and the same number of people will care. I have four hundred and sixty two baseball cards.
@ chefgon_ign
How is a mention of available apps for the iPhone irrelevant in an iPhone usability discussion? The number of baseball cards you have is irrelevant anywhere on engadget unless we're talking about a baseball card scanner, or some other trading card related technology.
I take that back. If there's an iPhone app that catalogs your baseball cards, automatically finding images and current values of the cards on the web, then the number of cards you have IS important, as it relates to the App Store. Otherwise, we don't care. Stick to the subject. (for those of you who forgot, it's iPhone Apps, specifically, movie apps.)
Jimmy
It's irrelevant because a simple count of Apps speaks nothing to quality or need. Would you rather have 28,000 crappy apps available or 100 great apps?
The fact is that you reach a certain point where the number of apps is completely irrelevant. What is more important is identifying what you want on your phone and seeing if an application is available to meet your needs. We all know that a vast majority of the apps on the iPhone will NEVER make it on your phone because you have absolutely zero use for it.
well, because of the sheer quantity of apps on the app store, there are already well over 100 great high quality apps in all categories.
I guarantee you that no app store with only 500 apps is gonna have 100 great ones.
Apple has this uncanny ability to execute an idea. As much as you want to down-play that ability, it is what separates leaders from people who are highly intelligent but has no leadership ability. Ideas are a dime a dozen and only the execution of it matters.
Which is why I guess Nokia sorted out capture, record and upload over two years ago.
Nice feature but hardly new.
Who said anything about the feature being new? Nobody cares about who the first to implement an idea was except fanboys. I'm only concerned with who does it BETTER.
And as we've seen, Apple is really good at incubating ideas and then 1 upping everyone else. There's a reason why more people use the the Internet on iPhones than any other smart phone. There's a reason why the average person knows you can add apps to a smart phone.
Well since Nokia's is easy and quick it's going to have to be pretty good to beat it.
Like I've been predicting since iPhone 1G, considering Apple's track record and market position in the professional Video/Audio and Imaging/Design market, when they finally get down to implementing features of this sort on ANY of their products, it will be worth waiting for i.e. not a welded-on apology of a feature but synergistic with their design ideals of simplicity, elegance, coolness, fun and as always - ONE MORE THING...
Can't wait, will wait, can't wait, will...
What the hell are you talking about?
^^^^^
If that comment seriously went over your head, then go back to sleep.
I am sure that in a previous article on engadget it said that not all of the upgrade features would be available for previous models..are we sure about video recording on first gen?
Wow! iMovie on my iPhone! That makes me want to shit on my iSelf! LOL! ;)
Yeah, that's right, Apple. Feed all the iWankers "new" features in dribs and drabs and they'll iLove you for it! ;)
Err..
What?
Apple is on to something - geeks are outnumbers by non-geeks. They laugh all the way to the bank; while we point out how everything they could have been done using a older device and some hacks.
Shhhh! Don't write that! All the iWankers will come if they read it! LOL! ;)
"make shooting video super simple". Yeah, cause all those phones where you push a button or two and it starts recording are super difficult.
Pretty sure the "simple" part is regarding the entire process, from shooting to saving to editing to uploading to YouTube.
Oi Zak, you gonna record a video of you teabagging a guy with recon in halo 3? And then, maybe you could edit it with crappy effects to make it look like your guy is FARTING on him!! Then, maybe you could upload it to youtube, along with the 20,000 other kids who like halo!
That looks like an phone with a... um.. Dick ?.
My question is will they release a new iPod touch with a camera. Why not? And why not toss in GPS too?
Ugg, love Apple and my iPhone but I KNOW this is only going to be available on the new third generation phones. I'm sure of it. Otherwise they would have mentioned it at the iPhone OS 3.0 keynote. Anyone agree?
They didn't announce anything about video recording at the 3.0 announcement, which makes me think they did so intentionally because it will only work with a new iPhone model that they will announce for this summer... It would be a little ridiculous if this were the case, for there's already a video recorder homebrew app for jailbroken iPhones. They're not allowing MMS on the old iPhones with this 3.0 update even though they could technically do it, so I wouldn't put it past them to require us all to buy a new iPhone to get video recording even though the current iPhone can support it.
I might be wrong here, but I believe that most MMS apps actually use the data connection rather the the cell/voice radio to send an MMS.
again a could be (and probably am ) wrong about this.
But yeah, I can record video on my 3G and upload it youtube immediatley so I don't get what the deal is the we would need a newer device.
But whatever, in 6/7 years that i've owned a video recordsing capable handset, I've never sent a video MMS nor really wanted to so I don't particularly care much one way or the other.
This looks stupid as hell...
You realize that's not what it's going to look like, right? That's a 3rd party lens.
What a moronic way to add marginal functionality to the camera. Seriously... Apple fanboys can't just pick up a FlipHD or something?
Sure, because carrying two devices is so much better than carrying one device that can do both.
Also I'd like to point out that by saying video capture is moronic, you are directly in conflict with the other Apple haters who say that video capture is absolutely essential in a smartphone and everyone else in the universe has been doing it for the last 23 years.
You guys should all get together and get your stories straight so you don't contradict yourselves any more.
while video recording on a phone always has its simple purposes .... this is nothing revolutionary... i guess ill pat my buddy on back when he shows it off to me
I'm sorry, who was claiming it was revolutionary again? Boy you sure can't beat a good straw man argument, can you?
That is something truely the meaning of "neat".....
Well, i think this lens looks pretty cool. They should make their next iPhone like that.
Sure hope Vimeo is an option as well. I HATE YouTube.
cool gadget but I agree on the additional crappy YouTube videos- I want a compact video camera that produces 1080P 120Mhz action- I was memories that will last, not the pixelized version of American's lousiest home videos.
The only major improvement they can make on this space is the editing part. The recording and uploading has already been done really well by a couple of phones and it couldn't really get any simpler.
Aaaa sooo glad i have a Diamond.
Just lay back and see how the crowd pleaser fruit finally has "video" hahaha, funny stuff.
To those complaining about the quality of the current iphone camera, I agree its not the best camera in the world, but you can still take good images with it. Below is a link to a photographer's website with iphone images (none are photoshopped, all images come directly from the iphone).
http://www.chasejarvis.com/#mi=2&pt=1&pi=10000&s=0&p=5&a=0&at=0
i would like if if they were to compress the goddamn thing how to F*ck do u fit that thing in your pocket
When I saw it all I could think of was from Dr Who "EXTERMINATE"
I just want to know if the new hardware will have a front facing camera
I agree!!!
All these comments seem ridiculous. Why cant people just be happy that Apple continues to add features to their phone, and push the whole market forward? They never claimed to be the first one with this feature, and though it may not be the *best* camera out there, I am sure iPhone owners will appreciate having video capabilities in a new model.
Also, if Nokia's video capture/editing is so incredible, why hasnt it taken the market by storm? Never heard much about it before, then again, I wasnt dying for video on my phone so I never looked into it either.
Apple will make it seamless, plug-n-play, and "just another app" on the iphone, in addition to all the other things it already does well. The platform continues to mature.