John Gruber over at
Daring Fireball has a pretty good track record when it comes to Apple rumors -- remember his spot-on predictions for the
unibody MacBook Pro? -- so when he's got a thing or two to say about all the
next-gen iPhone chatter, we listen. While not making any promises, he does say he'd wager quite a bit on a new model coming to WWDC, with about twice the
CPU horsepower (and possibly twice the RAM, too) as the current model. He also adds some credence to all that talk of
video recording, but makes no mention of potential
background apps and plays down any surprise
tablet or
"iPhone mini" cameos. He goes on to add release date would be
sometime in July in 16GB and 32GB varieties. We can't say we're willing to bet against him, but that doesn't mean we'll take his word as gospel. We can safely say, however, that we're anxiously waiting to see what kind of shenanigans
Schiller has in store for next month.
posted May 21st 2009 8:46PM
More of the same old news that isn't even real news?
lol yeah
its old stuff
iphone fans love old news and old tech like the iphone itself so its ok buddy
Nokia fans or samsung would not accept phone in late 2009 with 3.2MP camera and would tell you to shove it
Yeah, it's funny that what many consider to be the three best mobile play forms in the Pre, iPhone, and Android all have 3mp cameras and nokia and Samsung have 5mp. It's also funny how everybody is running from symbian and windows mobile to these platforms. You can have 5mp with a lens so small it really doesn't matter. I'll take the better OS.
People are not running from symbian if there were samsung wouldnt omnia HD with it or nokia with N97 or SE incoming IDOU phone plus All the phones you mentioned combined doesn't even have nokia market share alone in the market, so yes people are not running so stop making your own BS to feel better about your outdated old tech iphone
Actually the smaller the lens the more Megapixels matters. And I love Winmo, highly customizable and limitless apps. But i guess its not cool, even though it can do everything you want it to do. Forget about 5mp cameras by the way, there are phones out there, like the Omnia HD(I8910) that are using 8mp cameras now with HD Video recording. That runs on Andriod too. I'll give Apple credit for starting a revolution in touch screen all in one phones, but they've fallen way behind. The only thing they have going for them is the owners get the "cool factor" of saying they have an Iphone.
I'm sick of the old, "The camera is rubbish" argument. It's clutching at straws. It's a phone, not a camera. If you're looking for something that takes good photo's there's a remarkable device on the market called a, wait for it....camera. I personally, want my phone to handle phone calls, maybe run a few apps and access the internet when I'm out and about. It does all of those exceptionally well and then a bit more. If for some reason I need an 8mp photo, I'm sure as hell not relying on a phone to take it anyway. Where do the majority of phone pictures end up anyway? Social networking sites? Where they get scaled down automatically. If you're using them for more than that then you should invest in a decent camera. There's a lot more to a camera than how many megapixels it has. Sorry, rant over.
This is old news though. Very old. In fact, people pretty much know everything to expect other than how the front of it is going to look.
3.2 MP on a phone camera is stupid. The tiny lens doesn't have the resolution. More is not better.
The sensor on the iPhone is a bit noisy, and not as sensitive as I'd like, but one thing I do not want is more MP.
Pete and Repete are in a boat. Pete jumps out. Who is left?
"Actually the smaller the lens the more Megapixels matters." - Timoh
What???
"I'll give Apple credit for starting a revolution in touch screen all in one phones, but they've fallen way behind." - Timoh
What?????
Aye. I would much rather Apple put a 2MP sensor that actually takes decent pictures vs. a 5MP sensor that takes pictures of comparable quality to the 3G. The camera is the last bastion of gripe left after OS 3.0 comes out, IMHO.
@DR You know nothing. Nokia sells a lot of throwaway phones. If you paid attention you would know nokia had a horrible quarter because they sold a ton of phones that they make little money on and their smartphone sales have dropped. Nokia doesn't even register on a list of most sold smartphones in the U.S.. No one wants to develop for symbian because it is too hard and too expensive. Go look at the articles on VentureBeat and look at Om Malik's posting of platforms that devlopers plan to develop for. Symbian was last on the list. You can act like a 5MP is a big deal on a phone that has a tiny lens but anyone remotely serious about photography would tell you the MP won't matter. A 3MP dedicated camera would blow the doors off the N95.
@Timoh You're wrong. When you have more MP and a smaller lens the picture will become more grainy. Everybody believes the more MP the better. MP past 6 or 7 mean nothing unless you are making poster sized prints.
As for windows mobile, it has always been very powerful. I used to be a treo 700w owner. The problems I had were stability and usability. It's very hard to get things done because it's not easy to use. Not matter how powerful an OS is, it's pointless if it's not easy to use. That's why most people don't use those features. So far the iphone, android, and it looks like the pre all have better user experiences. The whole thing is the only feature the iPhone is lacking is multitasking. The user experience right now is better than any phone out there at least until the pre comes out. There are already rumors that the iPhone will have limited background processing very soon.
BTW, the next iPhone will have video and editing. Neither the pre or g1 has that feature. It will also have 32gb. How phones have that? What you say doesn't correlate with fact.
@strf13
Sorry but you have absolutely no grasp of reality.
Firstly, Nokia don't have any meaningful US market share to speak of and haven't for a very long time. Tragic I'm sure, however since the US us is only the third (or is it fourth?) biggest phone market and Nokia dominate the other two suggesting that Nokia are failing is delusional.
That said, Nokia's 2008 smartphone line up was terrible. The N96 was a delayed, underperforming piece of rubbish and nonsense like the N78 didn't exactly help things. Fortunately they recovered towards the end of the year with the N85 and N79. Furthermore, the release of the 5800 has really put Nokia back in the forefront and is matchign or beating iPhone sales outwith the US at the moment.
The iPhone is a god phone but Apple need to realise that this isn't a market they dominate and they cannot dictate the pace of development as they do with the iPod. Phones are to a large degree fashion accessories and the latest model will win out - in 2007 that was the N95, in 2008 the iPhone, in 2009...? Who knows?
@ b3tan @ May 21st 2009 9:57PM
when i'm buying a new phone, what i'm really looking for is a convergence device that does everything. I don't have a digital camera, an mp3 player, a watch, a portable gaming console, etc etc because my phone does everything. It doesn't do all these things perfectly, but it sure beats carrying 10 extra gadgets with me.
And what's that, you want to access the internet? Why don't you just use your phone for calls and buy a netbook to use the internet? Didn't you know netbooks were way better at handling websites than phones?
i say we should all just stop stressin over what it MIGHT be and just wait and see what it WILL be. less mental strain, ya digg
Your comment was perfect. I actually would prefer to know nothing about the device until it launches, that way it's totally shiny and new inside and out. I know it's going to be good, and I'm getting one anyway, so I'll just wait and see. Sadly, that $300 was mentally spent long ago...
Umm, how many of you guys actually record video and edit them? Is it a big thing I'm missing out on?
The video recording/editing, I assume, is more for MMS. Other possible uses are for those moments that did not plan for a camera but you wanted to capture anyways, as well as to share videos online through apps?
As a side note: don't downplay MMS. It's a viable way to share for people without smart phones and/or without internet plans.
For all the posting of videos from cell phones that goes on, a simple editing program (play this clip after that clip, don't play this portion of that clip, etc) would eliminate the hassle of transferring the video to a computer before uploading to youbook or facetube (instead just shoot, cut, and upload all from one app). The controls for that kind of editing would totally be feasible from an iphone.
@Amish Pirate ++ I agree. We are not professionals, we don't have time, and we don't have a camcorder with us. But if I have a phone that can shoot video and do two or three of the most basic editing functions - or maybe just cut - and upload to youtyube, it would be pretty good. I'd like it.
I have been thinking about getting a flip, guess I can shelve that thought now. Because my main, primary concern with getting a Flip were A) I am never going to take it with me, I have enough crap on me as is and B) I am not going to sit down and iMovie the clips into something watchable, I barely have time to upload my photos.
Well, if it were actually on phones and easy to use, I bet a lot more people would be doing it.
On the way to the state of "Video recording", there's a sign saying "Welcome to the year 2005".
As the jailbreaking scene have revealed, this phone has always been capable of it. It's been capable of loads of things people have complained about. It's just Apple deciding not to allow them, or having to rush a product because of the masses demanding it's release. Hence the need for so many updates.
@b3tan: you're wrong. Just because a camera can record 15fps didn't mean it should automatically made a feature. That camera is not made for video recording.
I'm just excited to the fact that they will have a 32GB version.
I currently have a 16GB version right now. I barely hit 3GBs, but for some reason I'm excited about a 32GB version. Now it could possibly be good enough for a movie library collection on the go. I hope they still use the same business model for 3G owners as they did with the first gen to 3g gen upgrade. Meaning if you bought the 3G when it first came up you qualify for an upgrade to this version.
oh yeah, better than that i want 128gb! i have many series of tv episodes purchased from itunes store and my music collection alone is already about 4gb. 16gb now just fits all the music and thousands of pictures plus 10 episodes of tv shows. but i want ALL of them! bring it on apple!
I been waiting patiently for the 32GB version. It's still not big enough for my iTunes library. I have a lot of TV shows, but I'll settle for 32. Ten years ago, I would have killed for a desktop computer with 32 GB, now we have it in small devices. It really blows my mind.
@Totalfixation
Probably not for the upgrade, unless you paid full retail for iPhone 3G. The reason you could go from iPhone to iPhone 3G is that everyone who bought iPhone paid full retail for it.
$10 says its true
($10 also on this article having the most comments of the day... )
Second most comments, I think the recession antidote takes the cake by a couple miles.
Android > iPhone OS
Agreed
I second this notion.
The phone AN INDIVIDUAL prefers > A phone AN INDIVIDUAL doesn't prefer
douches.
thirded.
iWho. Res don't like it when you bring the truth to the table. ^_^
Lol you guys are just Linux nerds fighting for open source, even if it means shitty mobile operating systems.
I love that pic...reminds me of Dr. Who...
"EXTERMINATE!"
That lens would never fit in my pocket.
I know something bigger that fits in my pocket...
Is that a zoom lens on your iPhone, or are you just happy to see me?
Gotta love rumor season! keep em comin even if they arent true because I love that shit, and do not say you don't because if you're on engadget you're a nerd.
cant wait to see the end product, curious to see (if indeed it is true) what it looks like without the metal bezel and all that shiz! Can I say OLED!?
I have had the first iphone and I enjoy it way enough to get it again this go round. Oh and 32GB FTW, I could have filled my 8GB up 3 times by now.
And personally i dont give a shit if other products have had some features that the iphone is getting so just take it easy for christ sake.
I'm pretty sure everyone knows its a July release... gotta keep up the trend of yearly refreshes.
What everyone always want:
Tiny body
MicroSD HC
Draft-N
Exmor CMOS sensor
20X 20mm wide angle zoom lens
Full HD 1080p video recording in max. 1000fps.
128Gb internal memory
CPU faster than Earth Simulator
Battery life of 2 months
Price no more than 299 usd
On shelf now.
You forgot the wipe-ur-ass ability, something no phone should be without!
Oh man, that is so true. And your point about the price is dead on. Everybody wants the greatest specs in the history of computing, but no one wants to pay for it. Reminds me of the belly aching about the Playstation 3. People complained about the $400 price, but they don't realize that Sony is still selling it for below manufacturing costs.
Good god, did i just up-rank P.A.C ?
Would video recording or voice-dialing be possible with the iPhone 3.0 OS or necessitate a new phone? I'm thinking/hoping the former.
I just want to be able to take decent pictures , and video with the ability to bluetooth them to the computer. its 2009 , syncing with a usb cable is dead it should be wireless
which is why wireless USB took off so quickly!!!
/sarcasm
"...he does say he'd wager quite a bit on a new model coming to WWDC, with about twice the CPU horsepower (and possibly twice the RAM, too) as the current model"
Well that should come in really handy for multita....oh wait.
Multitasking is hype. You can switch most apps in about 2 seconds as is, 1 sec with these new specs. And most applications pickup where they left off, so it only enforces App developers to write it right the first time. Use Multithreading appropiately, and the PUSH server messaging system w/out draining battery life and crashing critical applications such as the PHONE.
Steve, you're still not banging that drum are you?
The whole point is that applications run concurrently in the background. That's why I can listen to music, upload through Shozu, run my e-mail and IM and have maps on at the same time. Oh yeah, and my calendar will kick in with any appointments as and when.
And all with no performance hit or loss of stability.
@Mark Anderson Yeeeaahh Right. No performance loss or stability. You can do all that stuff on an iphone, but you know that, your just a huge troll master. What a bunch of bullshit. I support those fucking winmo phones you speak of and they are SHIT, everyone of our employees that use them know thoroughly the reset process for when it locks up.
@Dillinger
Good for you. I'm talking about Symbian phones though which work pretty well (S60v3 and S60v5 that is).
But hey, keep being a dickwad. No need to change the habit of a lifetime.
Wow! This is true innovation from Apple! Wow!..... sigh.....
I'm sure the Japanese/Korean/Chinese will laugh at this like they have already been doing so at the current iPhone specs. Thing's a joke (both current release, and rumored specs of upcoming one) when compared to what's already over there (and has been for years) from other companies.
OH MY GOD! It is like the phone from FUTURE!!!!
APPLE, my nokia in 2003 had video recording..
Better give up or keep following NOKIA light years behind!
Engadget the minute you stop APPLE NEWS! I will visit the page at least 20 times a day!
I am sick of seeing 6 year ago's technology as some invention!
I guess your Nokia from 2003 also did everything else the iPhone does? I didn't know Nokia invented the App Store, either. And to think it must have been lightyears ago? Why didn't anybody notice back then? I MUST be missing something...
Yeah. Outside the US, when people find out the iPhone can't video record out of the box, they're like "NAAH, GET OUT OF HERE....wait... really? You're serious? It can't record videos????"
Same conversation happens when they are told the iPhone can't send images, files via Bluetooth.
I remember when I friend of mine imported his iPhone from the US in 2007. After taking a photo of the group, showing off how you pan and zoom with your fingers, I told him "Nice, here my Bluetooth is on, SEND IT TO ME" .... he was like "it can't...." The look on the girls' faces was priceless.
Then I suggested he video record us.
@TareX,
So true. I know many of my friends (live in Aus) will not get an iphone cause it does not send files via bluetooth and cant do video recording.
Not bagging out the iphone or anything, but since apple didn't provide australia with an iphone straight out; but gave us the ipod touch, everyone know has the touch... Whats the point of upgrading to an ipod touch that can recieve calls and take lower quality photos?
Better yet, when they did give us the iphone it was charged so much higher then the US version! :(:(:(.
Hopefully, in their 2nd attempt at a phone for Aus it will be good :)
@TeraX: What happened when your phone crashed?
Yeah Tarex, you really zinged him. I suppose you'll never admit that you really wanted him to bluetooth it over because receiving an e-mail with the photo attached probably wasn't gonna work too well on your phone, right? Because that's how people do it on the iPhone, we e-mail the stuff. Be honest: No one transfers over bluetooth. I agree that bluetooth transferring would be a cool option because you may not always have the internet available, but bluetooth isn't really very fast and it hasn't been a problem for me to just e-mail someone the photos I take.
I don't really relish that smugness you claim you felt, but I understand: That's the way I feel when I see people trying to browse the web on a blackberry or that old RAZR that people keep claiming could do all of this stuff before the iPhone.
@str1f3
Uh, didn't you read? It wasn't an iPhone.
@ ill trooper.
Go ahead, email a photo too someone that is next to you. Enjoy your bills.
@copeys "Enjoy your bills" WTF does that mean. Do you have to pay per mail on your fucking piece of fucking stupid shit nokia? When you were being a dumb ass smug douche bag to your friend did he punch you in the face and take your fucking phone and smash it into the back of your dumb ass head, cause with the smugness that you are showing just on these forums, that is exactly what i would have done if i was him. The i would have smashed your shitty phone into the street, since you seem like the kind of person who is a total dick ALL THE TIME.
I, my phone and my country are all better than you, so stfu with your POS nokia bullshit.
See how it is when someone is totally fucking unreasonable and stupid?
Have a nice day :)
@dillinger
It wasnt me with the nokia story, it was someone else.
I was just commenting on how someone didnt like bluetoothing a photo to someone next to them, but emailed it instead. To me, that is pointless and a waste of money. That is where the comment "enjoy your bills" comes in.
Also, your comment, GOLDEN. Yes it is insulting me, but god, LOLS. Seriously, you made me laugh, the amount of insults thrown in there... funny!
Anyway, you have a nice day as well :)
Ah symbian not android. See I'm behind on that news and its still years ahead of the iphone.
You people who bitch about the iPhone make me ashamed to be a nerd. Every post about iPhones results in you little bitches crawling out from under your rock and laying down the same friggin' complaints. The several million people who bought the iPhone and the several million more who will don't give a rats ass about your opinion of the hardware. Give it a rest for christs sake. If your personal tastes don't lead you to purchase the iPhone, don't buy one. The reasons you bought your phone may or may not matter to anyone else. Obviously, people who bought the iPhone got what they wanted. Your complaints say much more about your anal, controlling personalities than they do about the gear. Please STFU.
This. When i got my iphone first gen there wasn’t even apps for it, but i was happier than i had been with any other smart phone ever. We know there are 50 billions buggy ass winmo apps spread all over the Internet, we don't give a flying fuck.
Phew. Lots of h8rs out there.
I did not buy an iPhone because the Android rumors were swirling. Then I tried them both out.
I will definitely be in line for the next iPhone refresh, because even though it may be overpriced and underspec'd, the OS and interface is unmatched. Don't feel bad, it took me awhile to realize that it is all about the user experience.
Honestly the whole argument of "My (insert some cheap ass phone here) from three years ago can send MMS" is getting a little monotonous. Okay, we get it. Your Razr can record video. HOLY SHIT! So the iPhone can't record video until now. Big deal. I've honestly heard the argument so many times, I don't even bother to read comments all that much anymore. Quit acting like kindergarteners and go play with your Nokia, LG, Samsung, whatever kind of phone you have because, DON'T WORRY, we all know it sure as hell isn't an iPhone.
*YAWN.*
iPhone? Boring.....NEXT.
Palm Pre? Ok. I'm ready.
Yep, boring enough for you to click on the story, read it, sign in, and write about it. Are you sure the story is boring or just you?
Have fun syncing your pre to your desktop. Oh wait, if your not a facebook tween or have an exchange server, your fucked.
I work at AT&T and this week we were told that our new iphone was going to be an edge device with a new form factor. we were told to sell the 3g as the leading model. The entire company is focusing on customer service and we are going to use the iphone launch as a way to reach a new demographic. I was a little let down. but the iphone "slim" is totally a reality!
I don't believe you.
MAYBE they will release 2 phones, and one of them will be the one you describe. A $99 iPhone "slim" with no required data plan would sell like hotcakes, and would pretty much put Moto and LG out of business altogether.
The "other" iPhone (that you're convinced won't be making its debut) is certain to have these rumored specs, at this point.
On another note, I love how the anti-Apple fanbois' argument has evolved over the last 2 years. Before it was, "The iPhone can't do any of the things my 3 year old Nokia did". Now they're forced to admit, "Big deal, it can do ____. My 3 year old Nokia could do that."
I'll agree that the issue of multi-tasking is, rightfully so, a bone of contention. You all act like every other phone out there (even the 3 year old Nokias) can keep playing a YouTube video while you respond to an IM you got on AIM, or play a tiny scaled-down video from your library in the corner while you compose an email. Riiiiight.... These few scenarios like the ones I just described are really the few multi-tasking issues that Apple's Push system won't be able to accomplish. We'll see how good the Pre does it - I don't think we can expect amazing performance from them (or any of the other manufacturers) in these types of multi-tasking scenarios. But please, continute to hate on.
Of course they will seeing as how I bought one 13 days ago.
However, I bought one anyway knowing that this was coming out. I have it all worked out in my nerdy, gadget-lusting brain. See my wife is eligible for upgrade in Feb. By then the demand for iPhone3 will have subsided to the point where we can just walk in and buy one, and then we will trade. So far, she is okay with this. I love my wife.
Here's what I heard Engadget:
1. 4gb model for Walmart @ $99
2. 8gb, 16gb, and 32gb @ $199, $299, and $399
3. Video recording, all other specs are speculation at best
4. Release date is 6/23 or 6/24, I forget but I'm sure it was 6/23.
Any rumor on availability for Verizon?
I used both generations of iPhones. I couldn't take ATT anymore so I paid ETF and switched to Verizon with Omnia.
Now I miss touch screen that I can actually use my thumb to do everything (instead of finger nail)
You screwed up...and wasted money
People seriously need to stop HATING on the iPhone and iPhone owners. A phone is a preference, whether you like my phone or not does not concern me in any way. If I like it, then what the hell does it matter what anyone else says? The way Apple has marketed their product is what has made it so successful, I think instead of always being bandwaggoners and going against what the majority likes, you should look at the facts. Mobile phones are not about cameras! Are you kidding me? Those 8MP camera phones take pictures that look like CRAP. If you want to take good pictures, may I suggest a Cannon or Sony DIGITAL CAMERA, and not a puny little cell phone camera. I own a Winmo phone, an iPhone, and I had a G1 for a short while; out of all of them, my iPhone is still my favorite. Want to know why? Because it has the best internet browser I have ever used on any phone, the music player is unmatched, the interface is still the best, and it makes calls and texts which is what a cell phone is made for. Yes I do agree that it is funny and a little stupid that Apple lists things such as "Copy and Paste" or "MMS Messaging" as main features on their upcoming OS, but what is your complaining going to do people? Just move on, why must you put down everything that is good and everything that others like. If you don't like it, great, move on to your Nokia or Samsung QUIETLY....because WE DO NOT CARE!
thank you.