Google's big reveal at I/O? Meet Wave, the Next Big Thing from the Lars and Yen Rasmussen, makers of Google Maps. It's a very early build, meaning we won't see it anytime soon, but here's the gist: a "wave" is a chat session that enables you to send messages live, with each word being transmitted live -- no more "person X is typing" messages (don't worry, that can be deactivated momentarily / permanently with a "draft" button). You can also add others to the wave, drag and drop images for instant transfers, and share documents for on-the-fly edits (with all the
participants working simultaneously, mind you), and get this... it does
real time translation. So hot, and the crowd is in an uproar over this. The "waves" can be played back to see the conversation evolve / documents edited dynamically. We just got confirmation that it'll be coming to Android and iPhone, also, but they have yet to get the mobile platform to do the live updating. As they keep telling us, this HTML5-based platform is still in a very early stage, but all attendees will be getting an invite to a sandbox build later today. It's an open protocol, so expect other devs to add their own toys to the mix. Hit up the gallery for more pics.
posted May 28th 2009 1:14PM
...or a surfing reference?
...or a particle physics reference?
Except that in Firefly, a "wave" was a video call...which would make more sense than a particle physics reference, or early 1980's music reference.
So not wanted. I like to collect my thoughts and check spelling before I send.
I suspect that, like Google Earth, iPhone will get it before Android (which hasn't got it yet believe it or not).
But nice... reminds me of ICQ chat, which was also in realtime.
Doubtful. It's in HTML 5 so it'll just be something you access from the browser, no app necessary.
Google invents IRC. Film at 11.
RTactualFA.
If there were a "source" link I would have clicked it. There isn't. This is the article, and I read it.
It's IRC, maybe a little juiced up. But group chat is far from a new invention. To me it's pretty clear google realizes this isn't really much new, as evidence by their attempt to give it a new name to make it seem more new than it is.
At first, I agree with the not wanting to type in real time, but then I realize that in a group chat, it allows you to start talking before someone else does to get your point in before it is too late and the conversation has moved on. It's just like a REAL conversation where only one person speaks at a time. If you want to edit, you can still do that with the 'draft' mode, but if you are collaborating with a large group of people then your comment may be irrelevant by the time you are done editing. That happens here all the time; Everyone says the same thing at the same time.
@Mark: I'm sure apps will be built for it, anyway, as different people will think of different UIs. Just like now, you could just use gmail in a browser, but there are 1m email clients you can also use.
I do have to say though, that if comments here were live in this way, there would be a lot of petty arguing (as if there isn't already) and no one would be able to get a word in edgewise.
I wonder if ten people are typing at the same time if you would see all ten or the first one to start would have the stage.
I think people are missing the point.
In addition to the obvious desktop applications, this is Google's aiming their gun at phone companies monopoly on "text messaging".
Now you have an IM/messenging app that interfaces seamlessly with both mobile and desktop, providing another reason to own a smartphone or use Android, and it gets even more people using Google's services.
Does anyone think these idiot phone companies will still get away with charging for text messaging in 5 years? Now, whether Google is charging us at that point is another question.
HAHHA. I said the same thing 5 years ago when using a Sidekick/Hiptop. But now the alleged "most advanced" smartphone is SMS-only.
It's clear that technology isn't in charge here, instead its the ability of corporations to corner you into a ripoff rate.
As others have alluded to, Engadget is not making nearly a big enough deal of this as they should be!
If anyone else besides me is tired of having separate email, IM, SMS, and Facebook messages/wall posts as a medium of conversation with the same person, this has the potential to combine them all. It will come with a universal protocol for companies to host their own Wave services which interact with each other; i.e., just like Google, Yahoo, Microsoft, Apple, AOL, etc. all offer email services which can interact with each other.
This truly has the potential to change how we all communicate with each other with text over the web. I just hope Google puts enough cash behind it to realize its potential and not let it die.
There already is such a universal protocol, google uses it. It's called jabber.
What this does is take a layer of functionalty and slather a pile of hype on it.
Ah. I did not realize that Wave's protocol is based on XMPP.
However, I still believe my unbridled enthusiasm is not in vain. Engadget's coverage is not sufficient enough, and the potential, and Google's intent, for Wave to combine all existing messaging mediums which are aged, and obviously not built for the way messaging is headed today, into an extended protocol with extensive APIs, is awesome.
So Google wants to monopolize how you communicate, awesome.
If you don't like it, don't use it.
Case in point, all those people that still use the telegraph instead of that new fangled telephone...
Google wants to make money.
AIM already has this, for at least the past year it has it. Woopdie do
Yeh ICQ had the live chat years ago, was more of a novelty thing than anything else. I prefer people don't see what I'm typing until I hit send.
You could do some of this stuff in 1991 with ICQ.......
From your cell phone?
Considering the timing of these release, stealing thunder from Microsoft's Bing release and marketing push, this seems like a massive PR FU from Goog to MSoft:
http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/8o0eb/googles_wave_overshadows_microsofts_bing_release/
Why is it that everyone is dwelling on the real-time chat and not thinking about the drag-and-drop image transfer or document sharing? And people keep ignoring the draft option. And of course it has a new name, not like Google is going to just call it "Real-time chat feature from ICQ" or something.
I agree. If you look at the big picture, this could be awesome.
Fail...and the reason? There are bigger fish to fry. There has been hints of an online storage solution for a long time....and yet here we sit with nothing. How about Google launch their storage solution with a sync option for your Android phone. So if I have wallpaper installed it would upload it to Google Storage. If I have music it would sync it, within reason of course 16GB would be a bit much. Or if I have documents downloaded and stored on the device...backed up. In a perfect world I wouldn't need to backup my docs, but Google has yet to get its head out of its ass and put out a Google Docs app for their own OS for even Android 1.5 no less.
My point being that Google is all over the blasted board. They really need to focus on some of their solutions. Hell their damn e-mail is still "beta". This has to be the longest beta in the history of the known universe. Their Google Groups STILL does not have a damn calendar, making it virtually useless to orgs that need something along the lines of yahoogroups, but do not like their overall solution.
Again Google has the corp version of A.D.D. they go after the latest shiny instead of cleaning up what they started.
Wait wait wait. They are going to show what I'm typing real-time (ala unix talk 1983) and provide translations? How in heck is that going to work? Not only can you not translate letter-by-letter, you can't translate most languages word-by-word.
I saw it in action. As you were typing, it was guessing what you were wanting to say as you were saying it and so it was a series of offered translations until the word was done. It was a bit distracting, actually. But altogether not bad.
I have motorola Blackbarry and i like to see it on blackberry too. I love my gmail app on it.
ICQ had the live chat more than a decade ago!
It was fantastic because you didn't have to wait as a moron to see what would pop up on your screen, but you were reading it as the other person was typing and the chat was much more VIVID AND REAL!!!
With ICQ we had phones. Now we have walking talkies.
If you regret so often about the things you say/write, then just send an email (or don't talk at all)...
Just incrasing attacke vectors for prospective attackers. Soon all our data shall be in their cloud then what? Who knows how secure that shit is? Definitely not for me...
Both Endgadget and commenters miss the point of Google Wave by a light year. It is not a real time instant messaging app. It's:
A) A platform
B) An open-sourced communication protocol
It's not only the text messages that get exchanged in real time, but rather any data that enters a wave will be flown to all participants of that wave in real time. The Chat functionality was just a demonstration of this, but they also demoed image sharing, collaborative editing, map data and even a sudoku and chess games among other things, all based on this communications model and platform.
Additionally, the web wave client Google demoed was just an implementation of the Google Wave communication model based on Google technology (Googe Web Toolkit) running completely on HTML 5. As Google Wave will be open sourced, there is nothing stopping someone from developing a rich client, like today's productivity suites based, on the Wave communication model.
For whoever gets it, this is friggin huge!!!
Read the O'Reilly link (http://radar.oreilly.com/2009/05/google-wave-what-might-email-l.html) it's a very good and detailed representation of what Google Wave actually is.
I've thought about this concept before, but I don't think it's suitable for instant messaging. I get annoyed when I have silent "so-and-so is typing" fights by trying to be courteous, and this could definitely prevent those, but I don't know that I'd want an entire chat system based around it.
My primary finding is, google wave might be the key to shift
communication model from "Exchange model" to "Construction Model".
For past decades,
most electronic communication medium are attempted replication and
extension of the following types of models:
A. conversation models (face 2 face conversation -> phone -> sms -> IM, etc.)
B. Document delivery (snail mail -> fax ->email, etc. email, because
of its delivery speed, sometimes turn into a conversation model,
depends on mutual understanding of communication obligation)
C. Broadcasting ( Journals/Newsletters -> newsgroup -> web forum ->
social network
A "constructive communication" model, will need to have the following
characteristics (To be frank, I only thought of these after I saw
google wave, so they are 20/20 hindsights)
1. Surrounds the construction of a center piece of communication activity object
2. Established by a core construction team, while allow the
flexibility of team member joining and leaving. Communication is
relevant (and distribution restricted with in) this team.
3. The communication activity object (the conversation, the
discussion, the meeting, etc) persists and evolves, go on and have
life of it's own. It can be archived and later be reviewed and
re-played. The object captures the not only the content of the
communication but also the construction process.
4. Allows rich media to be the construction material.
5. Bound the participants to a level of communication obligation.
None of the existing category (A, B, C) above can meet all 5 requirements.
I realize that 95% of communication I do during my work requires the
above constructive communication model, and we have to do it very
awkwardly using email, quoting and re-quoting, combined with phone
conversation (During the negotiation of a service contract with our
vendor 543 email were exchange on the same subject, involving 26
individuals. Then suddenly our manager resigned and now nobody can be
bothered to find the trace of all sorts of commitments made, how each
email match to different version of document)
If Wave were to replace current model of email communication at
corporate level, the problem will then be the infrastructure impact.
While google is proposing a centralized entity to host wave objects,
it seems to me wave objects should be hosted distributively, and only
parties that were involved in the wave would need their wave server to
hold a copy of the wave object. Simplistic way is to sync and
duplicate wave objects on all participant parties' wave server.
(Again, since wave is opensource, we should soon see that corporate
version of internal wave server established)
So, what I am saying here is that Google wave opened my Eyes. The
ownership of the technology or platform does not really matter, but my
sense is that such communication model will replace quite a number of
existing communication models and change the way we work.
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The biggest problem it solves is that you no longer have to write "See comments inline"
http://sachendra.wordpress.com/2009/07/26/email-2-0-google-wave-solves-the-see-comments-inline-problem/