iTunes support confirmed for Palm Pre
By Darren Murph 
posted May 28th 2009 3:11PM
posted May 28th 2009 3:11PM
Update: So, Palm has issued an official press release detailing the new webOS features shown today at All Things Digital. The so-called media sync feature is straight up designed to "synchronize seamlessly with iTunes," giving users the ability to use Apple's media management software for transferring all non-DRM media. Furthermore, the Pre is engineered to act as a "mass storage drive," letting users side-load content on the fly. The full release also details the App Catalog and Twitter in Universal Search.
Apple is gunna be Rotten about this (pun)
Rotten about more iTunes revenue in their pocket? I'm not so sure...
What Revenue. Apple hardly makes any profit from itunes music sales as the studios and artists have the bigger cut. Then they have to support those huge servers which cost a lot of money. The only reason Apple is pushing iTunes,AppStore is to sell more hardware. It`s like sony/microsoft selling their game consoles cheaply in order to make profits on the games. Only it`s the other way round for apple as they sell media cheaply to make (huge) profits on their hardware.
skv- Your reply is kinda like when people bullshit about shit they don't know half a fuck about. Cheers
Wait a minute. I thought a vast majority of people *hate* iTunes? This makes no sense to me.
Yup, til Apple releases the next "fix" for iTunes...
Oh, and first...
Shouldn't be too long, they will probably release it right before the Pre gets released.
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Hmm... Evens out.
Guess what? One less thing that Paul and other haters have to ask about. It will sync to iTunes! Ha!
This rocks.
Oh they will come up with something new to get low-ranked over.
Just give them a moment to pick themselves off the floor.
You bunch of idiots. If Palm is doing this officially is because they are doing legally. Morons!!
@Mike: I guess Paul A. Chapel is the new iEye...
if anything, this is an admition that they have no client software or resources to make any
Do you chowderheads really, truly believe that Palm could get away with officially announcing iTunes support for the Pre without Apple's cooperation?
Seriously? I swear, some of you Apple hating sock puppets are just dumb beyond belief.
@Zak
Hey dumbass. The only one's upset over this are your fellow Apple "chowderheads" who are Pre "haters".
@Zak
Let me see if I can get this straight. You complain that the Pre won't sync to iTunes. Then they come out and say that it will. Then you get angry because they might (I say might because we have no idea how they did it) not have gotten permission from the mothership. Honestly. The only people unhappy here are people like you who defend Apple ceaselessly.
It's not done 'til the Pre won't run.
@ETM2K7
Just because Palm legally made it work, doesn't mean that Apple can't legally make it stop working.
And don't call people idiots, when you're not that smart yourself.
Imagine if Apple announces that the Palm Pre is actually their iPhone-like CDMA phone for Sprint and Verizon...
O_O
And why the hell shouldnt they? Its their software palm can create their own fricken software.
its just like Microsoft office on a Mac.
If Apple is going to profit from selling songs to the Pre, then wtf
is the problem with this?
I really don't get all the mac fans out there... in the end its just
business LOL
@Look_Around_You
I'm sorry but I'm with Zak on this one - I've yet to see a comment from any Apple "chowderheads" who are upset about this news. Seriously, why would we? Our choice of devices just expanded and we don't have to change the platform or software that we use and love. For some odd reason there seems to be an impression that non-Apple devices syncing with iTunes (hey, why stop there, even connecting to a Mac) think that this is bad and that's simply not true.
Still, what you think doesn't really matter so feel free to continue writing nonsense.
I imagine an update will probably fix that. Will other mass storage devices show up? I've never tried. I'm sure apple can get ahold of one and find out what is specific to the pre and disable it. and still allow other mass storage devices to connect.
But then again palm might be paying under the table to do this. If so then I guess they don't see that as infringing on their IP. Kinda like the MS Office comment. iTunes syncing is one thing that drew me to the iphone. I still won't give it up for sprint though.
Law suits? Patent crying? IP infractions?
BRING ON THE PAIN!
Yeah. Apple won't allow this.
If they let them get away with this then pretty much everyone is going to follow RIM, nokia, lg, samsung, htc...
Besides Apple can do with their software whatever they want. If you don't like it, use winamp or any other alternative.
So much trouble this year.. not good for Steve Jobs's healt...
Apple can certainly try bringing Palm to court, but Palm has a pretty impressive portfolio of IP itself, and Apple will probably be in for a massive countersuit which could invalidate some of Apple's existing patents.
My money is on Apple patching iTunes to detect something in the Pre firmware or software, and denying access. Not that they SHOULD do this, but they probably will.
@eriden
Yeah, but then palm will find a way to do it again, kinda like the jailbrake community.
It's not like itunes is updated every month.
I don't see why apple wouldn't like this, surely it would just encourouge people to use the Itunes store, making them more money.
At this point, I don't think Apple can "block out" Palm. If they make changes to iTunes specifically to block Palm, I can see Anit-Trust lawsuits in Apple's future...
How can Jobs not shed a tear after hearing this..
Need a screenshot of the Device screen to see if it has all the tabs to sync content like iPods.
"It shows up in iTunes just like a regular device."
Yeah, and Palm will soon be showing up in court, just like a regular defendant.
So when do they take RIM to court? Dumbass.
apple and rim worked together for blackberries to play nice with itunes. here the palm just kinda got it to work on there own. ur a dumbass sam.
The Blackberrys don't use iTunes they use a different application to copy the iTunes music folder onto the phone. The Pre is using iTunes and that Apple CAN take them to court for.
Let them take then to court.
Great PR for Palm. Apple looks like a bully control freak.
Hopefully Apple's sue-happy fanboys egg them on.
regular device !!! ???
And still, after all these years....still no "drag and drop" = tardness
regular device ??? = hardly
pre was confirmed to have drag n drop quite a while back itunes is just a bonus for those that like to use it.
Yay, only 2+ years behind Nokia started providing Mac support via iTunes.
There wasn't a Pre two years ago.
Wow...
I think the point is "so what?"
Nokia phone shave been able to sync with iTunes for years. Why would the Pre be different?
Funny, Its sync icon is an iPod.
I think that is the point, iTunes thinks the Pre is an iPod, not just another portable device.
I predict a lot of updates to itunes to break this...
This kind of stuff really bothers me about Apple and is the reason why I've started buying music form Amazon. On one of the itunes update, apple went through literally every song I bought from them and changed each song so they would no longer play on my centro. That and the $600 they offered to allow me to pay to change all of my DRM songs to DRM free was the end of the relationship between me and apple.
Didn't see that coming.
It says non-DRM music... does that mean purchased songs in the iTunes Plus format? Or only songs you ripped yourself?
iTunes Plus and the ones you ripped.
As long as the Pre supports AAC (which I'm guessing it will) it should have no problems playing iTunes Plus songs, which are DRM-free AAC files.
I'd love to know why exactly Apple want so much more money from me to make my library iTunes-DRM free. I think it's asinine.
I think you just learned what "asinine" means.
You bought tons of DRM music? Stoopid
my only option at the time was to drive to the store (once they got it shipped to them) and buy the petrol based plastic version and then drive back unwrap the plastic wrap and start up my disc burner. I like millions of others chose to download. now we all face the same extortion and we want to know why
Apple doesn't want your money, genius. The record labels do.
my only option at the time was to drive to the store (once they got it shipped to them) and buy the petrol based plastic version and then drive back unwrap the plastic wrap and start up my disc burner. I like millions of others chose to download. now we all face the same extortion and we want to know why
I can't help but think this is going to die quickly. The fact that the screenshot shows it as an iPod is what does it for me. Seems more like a happy accident that Apple will surely kill.
It would be nice if you can drag and drop music/movies onto the Pre via explorer and not have to use junky 3rd party software.
your just an idiot for saying that... explorer sucks and ALWAYS will suck.. iTunes is the industry standard so get over your mac hating.... Windows explorer cant even compare to the syncing capabilities of iTunes... I would MUCH rather plug something in have it add all my new songs, lyrics, tv shows etc. then have to drag everything with god damn windows explorer... Your just an apple hating bigot
@peter
Actually with Windows you can use Explorer to drag and drop or you could use WMP to sync to a PMP.
Stop crying and start learning.
@ peter
AMEN! I am not a fan boy and have always been an Apple hater until late last year when I got my iPhone 3G. It has been love ever since. I just plug it in and iTunes does all the work. I don't have to dick around with other crap, search, explore and all this other happy horse shit to make things work. It automatically backs up as well. What more can I ask for? I love it.
Now, does that mean I am all Apple is god. No. I would rather have a PC. I tried the iMac once - liked it but could not get adjusted. Anyways, use what works for you.
iTunes works just fine for me. It's nice not having to download 10 different apps to do one thing. :)
@Peter...
Yea you are right, we should just all give up and stop using the numerous superior file copying programs out there for portable music players, and start using the almighty 'Sync All' application. Man, it is almost like magic how it just somehow syncs up everything like it does.
@ Peter
There is no need to get so upset because I don't like Itunes.
I'm not hating on Apple actually, I love the iPhone, I just hate Itunes. To me it's just bloatware that is full of useless software that I know I will never use. It will also grab your computer by the balls that won't let go, and insists that everything has to be done it's way.
That's just me though.
@absolutc
Some people prefer to be at the searing wheel, while others prefer to be driven.
I'm with you Peter, I don't understand all this love for drag and drop. I love iTunes and the fact that I can just plug my iPod in and have it automatically update all my newest podcasts, playlists and so on. If I had to sit there and drag and drop all the time, that would suck.
That's one of the benefits to owning an iPod. If the Pre does sync with iTunes that just makes it all the more attractive of a purchase for me.
@ Marco Juan
"itunes will grab your computer by the balls that won't let go"
...looks left... looks right... now blurts loudly-
-Get a Mac
..runs away and hides in the woods.. you can not hurt me ... no.....................
Remind me - why on earth would I want to manually drag and drop music onto my audio device? Doing so was fine when we were running around with MP3 players that measured their capacity in MB rather than GB but not anymore. If you don't like iTunes then that's fine (Windows Media Player is apparently supported too) but the idea that manually dragging files via the file manager is absolutely nuts. Just leave it in the past where it belongs...
Well, if this works well, it actually makes me more interested in the Pre then I was before. I think. I would rather have an iPhone, but AT&T service is non-existent at my office which takes a huge chunk of usefulness out of the iPhone for me. Sprint seems to work well here. But... how good is this thing as an iPod substitute? I can sync my music to it, OK, but will I want to listen to music on a Pre?
I bet apple is preparing the "fix" just as we speak
And ppl will use old versions of itunes. Beh!
They may not be able to kill it that fast. It looks like Palm has made it's device to work with an Ipod driver. I
they aren't the first non-ipod device to sync with itunes. you guys are a bunch of dumbass idiots:
http://www.lockergnome.com/mobile/2005/11/11/sync-itunes-with-non-ipod-devices/
http://cultofmac.com/sync-itunes-with-mobile-devices-from-sony-nokia-sony-ericsson/2682
http://www.binaryfortress.com/itunes-sync/
This is *not* the same. The Pre appears in iTunes as an iPod. The others are merely programs that read the iTunes DB and copies the songs to another device.
Wow there has been a lot of news about the Pre. Can anyone tell me why? I'm not attempting to make a joke, I truly don't know why all the fuss. The phone isn't even good looking. I can understand all the news bits about the new iphone because they sell MILLIONS of them, which says to me a lot of people want iphone news. But the Pre?
Please explain.
Because you are not God, and thus not everyone thinks EXACTLY like you.
Now let me get you a ladder to climb down off your pedestal.
shhhh. You're not supposed to mention the superior iPhone, or you'll be downranked to oblivion.
So sales is what dictates what gets reported on? The Pre is a revolutionary device, each version of the iPhone has been evolutionary. There is a reason the Pre is the most anticipated gadget of the year and it's worth being reported on as much as it has, especially since it's only been recently where we have gotten official news about the Pre from official sources.
@ iKurt 5D
It's amazing that you know the iPhone is superior. I want the Pre very badly but haven't had a chance to see for myself if it's better than the iPhone but you, a clear iPhone fan must have had enough time with the device to already come up with a conclusion that warrants your comment.
I live how no one answered your damn question!!! "Why am I excited? I don't really know, but I'll just bash Apple instead of providing a solid argument as to why the Pre is getting non stop coverage." I don't know either, but it's funny to see people get so bent out of shape about companies wich they neither work for nor hold stock in. Bring on the gray!!
@DAK
Sorry, can you please explain what is "revolutionary" about the Pre? It's a smartphone and we've already had these for many years. Sure, it appears to do some things better than other devices but I think it's one heck of a stretch to call it "revolutionary". It's another player in the market and, frankly, nothing much more. I rather think that all the press it is receiving is due mostly to the shock that Palm, following the likes of the Foleo, is putting out a good product and haven't gone out of business.
@ Kelmon
The Pre most definitely is revolutionary. Desktop-like processing allowing 15-20 background apps running at once with full synergy between the webOS and the applications and services. Not to mention the universal search which is now being copied by everyone and their mother. Integration like we've never seen before. That to me is definitely revolutionary.
I don't see the problem with letting people sync un-DRM music, photos, videos to their Pre via iTunes. It's not like RealNetworks' Harmony, it's ONLY un-DRMed files here. Why Apple won't officially let other device manufacturers use iTunes to sync is beyond me.
Who says that Apple doesn't officially let other manufacturers use iTunes? Just because they don't advertise it doesn't mean that it isn't officially allowed. Remember, iTunes and it's ability to sync with devices was around before the iPod appeared.
How long do you think Apple will send Palm a cease and decist letters because of the fact that Apple owned the patented multi-touch technology? Palm doesn't even know what they're getting themselves into.
I can't wain until launch day when Apple can officially serve them their truckload of papers!
#1 Apple didnt invent multi-touch
#2 This isnt some game where you wait until launch day to bring a lawsuit. Apple pulling a stunt like that would look petty, desperate, and will be the biggest douche move in tech history.
It may make you fanboys swoon, but it will kill Apple PR wise.
@Look_Around_You
#1 I said owned, not invent. Reading comprehension fail?
#2 Palm didn't give Apple any credit. You're right, it's not about lawsuits, let's all pretend that we live in China.
Good day, sir.
They dont OWN the tech either, idiot.
"Many applications for multi-touch interfaces exist and are being proposed. Multi-touch is often associated with Apple Inc's iPhone and iPod Touch but is also used in many other products such as Apple's MacBook and MacBook Pro notebook line. Other products with multi-touch technology include Microsoft Surface, Asus EEE PC,Meizu M8 and the upcoming Zune HD."
If they did there would be no other multi-touch devices anywhere. Sorry to rain on your circle jerk.
And if Apple wants to own the term, then whatever. Call it "poly-touch" and tell them to go F off.
I hope they keep listening to you and crash hard trying to sue anyone.
Any patents Apple does own in the multi-touch technology will either be (a) very, very specific and probably not infringed by the Pre, or (more likely in my opinion) (b) invalid as an obvious extension of prior multi-touch and single touch technology. Multi-touch functionality on a mobile phone is not ground breaking, and any broad IP that Apple thinks it owns is not worth the paper they are printed on.
Plus, if Apple were to sue Palm for patent infringement of its multi-touch patent, Palm would turn around and countersue for the iPhone's infrginement of several of Palm's patents... which in the end could allow Palm to stop Apple from even making the iPhone. Do you think Apple really wants to risk that?
You and all your other "Pre" related comments have been useless. At least you don't break tradition.
But not two-way sync nor live-updating smart playlists, which makes it a poor substitute for a *real* iPod or iPhone.
@ Darren
But that's because it's not an iPod and never was supposed to be. The ability to sync it with iTunes is a bonus, not intended to replace the iPod.
@DAK
So, what you are trying to say without actually doing so is, yes, Darren is correct and that the Pre is a poor substitute for an iPod or iPhone? This is fully correct. The Pre may well be a very good phone but when it comes to syncing with iTunes then it is not going to be as fully functional as Apple's own product. Whether this is important to you or not depends on how much you are wedded to content from the iTunes Store.
#1 Apple didnt invent multi-touch
-no, they bought the company that did, and yes, they own the 'multi-touch' name
#2 This isnt some game where you wait until launch day to bring a lawsuit. Apple pulling a stunt like that would look petty, desperate, and will be the biggest douche move in tech history.
- you cant sue a company for not releasing a product.
It may make you fanboys swoon, but it will kill Apple PR wise.
As I said above, Apple's multi-touch patents cannot be that broad, or they are invalid. Also, if Apple actually tries to enforce trademark protection for "multi-touch" it will lose bad. Multi-touch is clearly a descriptive term and it is not solely associated with Apple (e.g. I'm sure Microsoft Surface also uses the term "multi-touch" to describe its operation). In fact, its damn near a generic term that can't be trademarked by anyone.
ok first off this hole apple own multi touch shit geting way out hand and i mean out of hand
apple doesn't own multi touch nor did they buy the company that invented it this gray area that most people don't seam to get
apple bought finger works who did not invent multi touch they invent the multi touch interface
all of apple pats are not on multi touch but on how multi touch is implicated in the interface
ok let make it simple lets take old morse code now the person who invented morse code dint invent the tech that it ran on he just invented code it self u know ----....-...--...--.. its interface wel that what finger works did
multi touch it self development goes back to late 70 and early 80 if u realy wanna get picky it goes back to the 60 and some dope up college profesor but that another storry \
any how multi touch it self has been worked on by several people and several large companies as well there is no one person or company who is responsible for it invention MS was key company in it development as it contribute large amount of money to it long befor apple and fingerwork was aound this is because bill gates dream for the perfect tablet computer he think multi touch is the future of that dream
finger work just develop the chief interface meaning it desing the way u interact with multi touch
what's the point of having a multi touch screen if when u touch with more then one finger it doesn't do any thing there one who came up pich to zoom in out stuff
that is what apple bought
now if i realy wanted to i can make a multi touch device and creat my own inter face in stead of pich to zoom maybe i make to where i just put thoumb on it and go in clock wise circle to zoom and counter clock wise to zoom out apple wouldnt be able to say shit
the problem is apple filed so many pats about implementation in multi touch an a giving interface it almost imposable to come up with something that apple cant clam pat infringe on all so part apple problem
a lot of apple pat are questionable and seam more a like scare tactic to keep other ou the the game
but i don't think apple really wants to fight some there pats with palm as there are oh so many clear pat infringement in the iphone that palm own it could be bad for apple as then it would put all there pats up for close inspection this could be bad as apple could loses some them less then steller pats plus they still have to deal with a counter suit and who knows depending on what pats got tossed they might not even have case and just being sued and that could mean the death to iphone if palm wanted to then
apple is doing the right thing and staying away from the pre
ps forgive the typing did this on a nokia not use to it yet
@Marco: I agree. We already have standards for this, (MTP, etc.) which other 3rd-party clients (e.g. Songbird) support, for those who desire automatic syncing. Plus, iPod support in Linux isn't all that great, but MTP works fine. Maybe they could have both?
@iTunes fanboys: Gee, maybe people like having a choice and don't like being tied down to one program that starts slowly, uses a ton of RAM, doesn't blend in with a non-OS X environment, isn't customizable, doesn't work with Linux, only (up to now) works with one type of device, etc etc etc.
Dammit reply button/my memory. Replying to http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/28/itunes-support-confirmed-for-palm-pre/comments/19081631/
One anagram: CDMA
Y'all will be screaming and bagging once u experience the truly unfortunate experience that will be Pre, not cause the device will be bad, or webos will be bad but because it will be running on such a slow network.
It will be like iPhone 1.0 on edge all over again. Meanwhile the iPhone 3 mob will probably be on enhanced 3G.
It's unfortunate that palm selected such an old sad network, it needed to be 3G not some format that was obselete 10 years ago
This forum depises reality sometimes.
I think its great that palm is going for it.
I am also saddened by the use of CDMA but I do realize that most of the forum is in the USA with an antiquated cell phone network with the only big 3G network run by AT&T who y'all tend to hate.
You mob will probably put up with it.
Buying music from amazon will feel like dialup.
Why this concerns me, is that because palm has put so much marketing energy into telling everyone the Pre will smash the iPhone, when the actual side by side tests get done or u try and show it off, it's going to come over badly. Regardless that it may be awesome people will relate the networks performance to being the Pre. In the same way the iPhone got rubbished because AT&T barely had a network.
I don't think Palm can afford the bad press and comparisons that will swamp the place.
U want this mob to succeed
Might have to have one of these toys as well. Nothing like having multiple phones when your piece of shit provider gives you no signal.
Jon,
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