Microsoft showing off Windows 7-powered Viliv S5 MID at Computex
By Darren Murph 
posted May 31st 2009 3:03PM
posted May 31st 2009 3:03PM
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OS X compatable?
Miles stop it, it's not even funny.
No. Because Apple doesn't know how to make its OS work with drivers that it didn't write. And because OS X is a fat bloated piece of crap. And because Apple enjoys charging you 2x the hardware's price and suing anyone who dares install OS X on non-Apple hardware into oblivion. And most of all because it enjoys watching the Stockholm syndrome eat away at whatever logic Apple fanboys like you ever had.
@Templarian
I don't see what I need to stop doing.
I don't really see the point in installing OS X to use seriously on anything but a Mac, but I'll be damned if I wouldn't try it for fun, especially on one of these little guys.
@Mark
Wow, calm down, all I asked was if it was OS X compatible.
The question is whether a operating system is compatible with certain hardware, not the other way around. That said, OSX has quite some compatibility issues.
You sirrah, are the worst example of an Apple fanboy. You sully the name for the absolute majority of users. All of your comments on Engadget have been to the tune of "Will it run OS X?" "Is it a Mac?" "I'd rather have a Mac." Why don't you go stick your weewee in a firewire port if you like Macs so much. And congratulations on having managed to spell "compatible"; it only took you two tries.
@Miles.
Allow me to explain the strong negative reaction you just got.
As I'm sure you're aware, there's something of a rivalry between Windows and Mac users. However, in general, even though Windows is used by about 92% of the computer users, the press (until recently) gives Apple products a startlingly disproportionate share of the press. To make it worse, Apple promotes a confrontational approach amongst its users (the Mac vs PC ads for example) and has almost from the start of the Mac.
Now, that tends to result in a LOT of Windows/PC bashing, sometimes with validity - often less so - even by the writers of the posts themselves, let alone the commenters who follow here (and I'm not picking on the Engadget staff - it's remarkably widespread). As a result, whenever some PC oriented post pops up that has literally NOTHING to do with Apple products (like this one), it's common to see some weird negative slant in the post or an add on comment that slams the product by comparing it to an Apple one - usually in an irrational way. Then we get the posts from people like Paul Chappel who seem to have nothing more to do but than troll these posts and, to use the vernacular, 'p*ss on everyone's parade' in the name of Apple evangelism.
One of the most common posts you'll see is the "But can it run MacOS X" or "It would be good/I would buy it if it could run MacOS X" comment.
Here's the thing - one of the brags the Mac side uses is that "Macs are better because they can run ALL OSes while PCs can't run MacOS X" while quietly ignoring the fact that this is ONLY true because Apple DRMs their OS to their hardware using a TPM chip.
As you might guess, we're all kind of tired of hearing this. This isn't something any PC maker can do. It's an Apple problem, and if Mac users want to run a full legal MacOS X on PC hardware - write Steve Jobs and complain - but complaining about it here is not only pointless - it's annoying to those of us who have no interest in that.
Now, I suspect in your case, what you were actually asking is 'Can this device run hacked MacOS X?' which is a valid question. I would have just gone about it a bit differently.
Hope this helps.
@Jeff
Thanks.
Yes I'll admit I'm an Applefan boy, but that is EXACTLY what I wanted to know, if this thing can run OS X.
Just because I have strong opinions doesn't make me a troll, Engadget.
@Mark
It's a free world, if mac user likes osx, so be it. Some are just rich enough to pay extra, some like free linux os.
I don't see where's the problems. Without osx us x86 fanboys have nothing to play with anymore.
You're right, having strong opinions doesn't make you a troll, posting completely off-topic things that are intended to provoke a PC-Apple flamefest is what makes you a troll. Having strong opinions also doesn't make you a weeaboo anime-loving ass, however your profile pic does.
Actually, what makes you a troll is not because you have strong opinions, but because you have offered absolutely no facts to support any of your opinions.
@Mark
It's not off topic.
I asked if it can run OS X, not "This can't even run OS X. What trash"
If I was going to troll I would have posted something that would have pissed people off, not a question asking if it can run OS X.
@EB
You can't really provide facts when you ask if it's OS X compatible.
HAH! Like Mac is compatible with anything besides it's own bloated overpriced hardware.
Miles:
Okay then, get this into your thick head:
"OSX is not compatible with anything except Apple computers" -Apple
Mark:
Stockholm syndrome is a nice description.
Congrats Miles, you have the longest list of replies I've seen on this site for ages.
BTW, your an Apple fanboi, not boy.
its Gizmodo that pisses me the fuck off, not only are majority of the commenters trolls, the crew at giz are actually being bias and trolling about when they are meant to be
professional
@Miles
Your text is so pale I suggest you stop replying...
@mark
Take a chill pill, dude. This could actually have beeen a legitimate question considering some computers run hakintosh better that others( eeepc vs msi wind). Besides,
all os's have good and bad things about them, and anyone who thinks any OS is completely perfect/completely horrible is a fanboi. So, by this definition I think you just might be a fanboi.
@Miles
your arguing makes me laugh. Just give up.
"Why don't you go stick your weewee in a firewire port if you like Macs so much"
eerrrr... Mac dont have Firewire port anymore!
Miles, don't be so stuck up.
Get out. Seriously. He is allowed to like OSX if he wants. All he said was is it OS X compatable and everyone is jumping on his back as if he just threatened to kill someone.
ATTENTION ALL PC USERS WHO HAVE NEVER USED A MAC AND THEREFORE ARE IGNORANT ABOUT THEM, YET STILL GO ON ABOUT HOW "L33T YOUR PC IS AND HOW IT PWNS MAC. PLEASE SHUT UP AND GET OUT"
Thank you.
I wonder how Windows7 footprint compares to XP.
I know one thing, it's a LOT smaller than Vista. I have it on a 10GB partition with 3GB free after install (with pagefile and hiberfile included).
Let's see how big it gets after release, surely lean in pre-release
-JT
jthandbook@verizon.net
Jake, Windows actually gets faster once it goes RTM. Pre-release builds have tons of debug code used to analyze things whenever something goes wrong, and that's just in the FRE builds (the ones everyone has). The CHK builds are even more loaded.
Nice try at trolling, though.
It really doesn't matter in the case of modern OSes. I'd rather have more memory used in a new OS for features that I want (superfetch, indexing services, etc). All modern OSes use aggresive memory caching but only Vista and Mac OS report it.
Win7 comes with about a gig of drivers, probably more at RTM I'd imagine.
Couldn't MS use Windows 7 in Windows mobile 7? Just like how OS X is with the iPhone.
Well technically Windows Mobile is a hybrid-spin-off of Windows CE with a LOT of stuff taken out, so in practice they've already taken an OS and stripped it for Mobiles. If they could fit a super stripped down version of Windows 7 onto a mobile and call it Windows Mobile 7 I would not only be impressed, I'd be first in line to buy. Especially if it compares even slightly to the RC build of Win7 which is running smooth as a baby's ass on my laptop.
@LMM
I actually hope this is where MS is going, and one of the reasons that MW7 keeps getting pushed back.
As I understand it, the windows kernel is linux based, and minwin, the replacement for server core can run stably by itself.
Minwin has a foot print of only about 25 MB, and being linux based should be configurable to run on WM7 chassis 1 type HW.
We've seen the Win 7 beta running on a 600mhz proc with 512 ram, which is right in the ballpark as far as the newest smartphone specs go.
Perhaps some one who knows better can confirm or deny these possibilities.
jon:
Yes, the windows kernel is linux based.
O_O
"As I understand it, the windows kernel is linux based"
lolwut
Well they'd have to port NT to ARM, which is possible, it was designed to be easy to port and used to run on a bunch of different CPU architectures. The hard part actually isn't getting it to boot, just bringing over Win32 and whatever libraries they want. CE sucks, it doesn't have any real I/O model like Linux and it doesn't scale very well.
Ouch.
So I'm obviously incorrect about the kernels.
I was remembering something from one of the technet or channel 9 videos, about the origins of the windows kernel.
Though it seems not very well.
You sirrah, are the worst example of an Apple fanboy. You sully the name for the absolute majority of users. All of your comments on Engadget have been to the tune of "Will it run OS X?" "Is it a Mac?" "I'd rather have a Mac." Why don't you go stick your weewee in a firewire port if you like Macs so much. And congratulations on having managed to spell "compatible"; it only took you two tries.
That was meant to be a reply to miles. Engadget, please fix your comment system.
I have strong opinions.
Apparently a lot of people think that is the same as trolling.
@Bryant - I don't think he was trolling. That's a valid question for a tiny device like this. Still, useful answer. And yes, Win7 has a smaller memory and hard drive footprint even with debug code in it.
Oh my god listen to you all. Apple vs PC vs PALM crap on here all day long shut the hell up you bunch of whining little whores!
Almost every single article is littered with it...
OH MY GOD Listen to you all! All these people complaining about the people complaining about apple vs pc vs palm! You sound like whining little whores that whine about whining little whores!
Almost every single article is littered with people complaining about the complainers!
+1 for patriotsn1
@ mark
You are the most ignorant fucking flaming fanboy I have ever seen on engadget. First of all apple does not bloat their Os in any way, just because your crappy dell came bloated with norton and other trial shit that's harder to remove than a virus itself. And its better to pay a little extra for a machine that will keep on working efficiently as opposed to some shitty M$ computer that you will need to send in for repairs and formats constantly. Oh and at least Macs come with fire wire ports.
My 3 year old Acer laptop has a firewire port.
Can't say the same of the new Macbook...can I?
Can I buy a Mac without iLife? Because I don't want to pay extra for that crap. Don't tell me it's free. If it was you could download it for free.
PS: Microsoft doesn't make computers, n00b.
@superhobo
iLife is actual paid software that comes with a mac, it is not a trial, it is fully fledged software.
If you don't like iLife, and have another suit that you prefer, instead of trying uninstall it from your system, delete the registry files, etc to make sure it won't slow down your system. I got rid of iPhoto on my mac simply dragging and dropping it to the trash can, it was that simple, it didn't leave any crap behind like a shitty piece of bloat ware that dell would install on your laptop
Right.
And if you're buying a Mac, you're buying iLife.
Whether you want it or not.
And AS EVERYONE WHO IS EVEN SLIGHTLY KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT COMPUTERS KNOWS, DELL IS THE ONLY "PC" MAKER IN THE UNIVARSE!!!!!11
@harry20larry
"If you don't like iLife, and have another suit that you prefer, instead of trying uninstall it from your system, delete the registry files, etc to make sure it won't slow down your system. I got rid of iPhoto on my mac simply dragging and dropping it to the trash can, it was that simple, it didn't leave any crap behind like a shitty piece of bloat ware that dell would install on your laptop"
Actually, it more than likely left behind a decent number of files in your Library folder. Configuration files, Apple Loops, and a number of other files all reside in either the system's Library folder or your user folder's Library folder. Uninstalling things completely in OS X can actually be more tedious than in Windows.
Ironically the ONLY bloatware / spyware I've ever really had a problem getting rid of was that crap "bonjour" program that apple put on my computer... I'm not even sure how it got there, I've never had any apple software on my computer. Maybe through some embedded quicktime or something. And if you don't know what I'm talking about, check your processes, I bet 90% of PC users have the bonjour (spyware) running on their computers, now try to get rid of it.
Thanks apple.
Apple is notorious for installing apps discretely on PCs. They install bonjour with practically everything, as well as Apple Software Update (even if you ask them not to in the installation), and they force Safari on unknowing iTunes users.
@ the hobo n00b above me
Uhhm are you just too stupid to know that M$ obviously doesn't make any fucking comps but their OS runs on nearly all pc suppliers. And the macbook Aluminum does come with a fire wire 800 port as opposed to your shitty fire wire 400 port which is slower than a usb port. And Ilife is free and its not trial bloatware shit that you get.