Accessibility features are limited to the new 3G s phone only (it wasn't something that came as part of the 3.0 OS upgrade). It was nothing to do with audio, but did offer video contrast features. For the exact details, go to the Apple iPhone website and take a look at what's new with the 3Gs (http://www.apple.com/iphone).
I'm having trouble figuring out which phone to buy PALM PRE or IPHONE 3GS? Can anyone help me out here? As far as I can tell, it looks like this:
IPHONE IS LACKING BECAUSE OF THE FOLLOWING: No multitasking No Physical keyboard No LED flash
PALM PRE IS LACKING BECAUSE OF THE FOLLOWING: 8 GB memory limit No true apps - only webapps (so weak) No voice and data at the same time (because of Sprint CDMA network) No voice dialing (WTF) No video recording (WTF?) No voice memos (WTF) No movie rentals (over the air or otherwise) No visual Voicemail No TV show rentals No audiobook purchasing No true app store (18 is a joke) No console-quality games (like Resident Evil, Metal Gear, 1000's of others for iPhone) No Peer to Peer games No VoiceOver (the iPhone can read any screen to you, just like a Mac) No native in-car integration (iPhone has this with dozens of cars) No podcasts Crippled copy/paste (for example - you can't cut or copy a webpage or any part of it) No universal search (crippled - no e-mail search) Tiny keyboard (iPhone landscape and portrait keyboards are bigger than Pre's real keyboard) No auto wi-fi login (just jumps on any open network and remembers them all) No 7.2 Mbps network speed No Remote Wipe No Find My Phone feature Can't function as a Remote for the household stereo (Great for parties, especially with the iTunes DJ feature where people can request songs) Weak battery life More expensive than iPhone Very scratchable screen No oleophobic protective screen No real music store (Apple can break the compatibility at any time and I don't want to take that chance) No Voice Commands (control music playing by saying "Depeche Mode" for example) No Compass No multiple and customizable home screens like iPhone (Pre only has one screen) No Parental Controls No Video Editing No onboard Ringtone Creation No 5 person conference calls No Webclips
Anyone have anything to say about this? Can anyone honestly say the Pre has more features?
PS - the iPhone CAN multitask - you can listen to music, send e-mails, download files, AND surf the web at the same time. What you CANNOT do is have multiple 3rd party apps open at the same time - for example, I can't play Boggle AND Texas Holdem at the same time. And why would I? However, I CAN play Boggle, listen to my music, answer an email, download a PDF, etc. at the same time.
I would honestly like someone to list several dozen features the Pre has that the iPhone doesn't have. I guarantee no one will.
From everything that I've read, 3.0 it has limited AVRCP at best (does not allow forward or reverse track skipping) it merely plays/pauses and questionable volume control. This all begs the question, is this really AVRCP?
@Ken Weaver Your pros are all useless to me. Fanboy nonsense...
Here are some of the things that attracted me to the Pre:
Physical Keyboard (I really dislike the iphone keyboard) Fast Interface True Multitasking Cloud Computing Agregate facebook, gmail, etc Better form factor imo Touchstone (will come down in price eventually) Peace of mind having not bought into the Apple ecosystem. The Apple computer user hivemind is disgusting. I don't like iTunes.
Here's some points to debunk your nonsense: No carriers in the USA have 7.2mpbs connection. Battery life is the same. Bluetooth is bluetooth. Small app catalog is due to that it's been out for 11 days. The price is MUCH cheaper than the iphone with a 2 year contract. I don't care about having some shitty games on my phone. Amazon music store is all I need.
Different phones work for different people. I see that you absolutely love your iPhone. Good for you.
Uhh Ken...do you have Apple stuck up your ass or what? Until today, the iPhone did not have video recording, voice memos, voice dialing and many of the stupid other little things you've listed. You act like the iPhone is the phone of all phones...yet all of these things were just added today. Up until today the iPhone didn't even tell you how long a phone call was when you went into your recent lists. Don't get me wrong I like my iPhone, but I'm open to other companies making better products than Apple. I don't worship one and pray to it every night. I know, you can say "well the iPhone has these things now so shit on you", but my point is the iPhone is no better than the Pre. They are both different, and they are both good. I have had my share of problems with my iPhone, I would list them, but I get the feeling you are one of those people who would simply dismiss them.
Ohh Paul, hadn't see you in a while, glad you're back to working for Apple. The iPhone has a ton of shitty games that are way over priced, even at a dollar. Hey look, I can spin my finger around on the screen and colors change. Yayyy!! If PC people know they like games, then they know they want a DS or PSP when it comes to protable gaming, not the iPhone. The iPhone does not even compete and never will. It has games to keep you entertained for all of 3 minutes, and then your battery dies.
Are you serious? ATT does not do 7.2 mbps Sprint way better network. Apps are coming just like iphone 1.0. The Pre hs teh same parts as the iphone 3gs. Dude you need to do research..BIG TIME!! Looks like you have your mind made up..GO IPHONE YOU WONT REGRET IT! Pre is the da ish. I love mine and i am glad i didnt get an iphone.
because if u read the forums it becomes clear that blackberries are already perfect and every real person uses them. So need to report on perfect made perfect, cause nothing changed
Whereas the iPhone is the worst phone ever made and it's sufferers are desperate for any upgrade, like making a phone call.
I'm having trouble figuring out if Ken Weaver is a prick or a douchebag. Can anyone help me out here? As far as I can tell, it looks like this: Ken Weaver is a prick. Ken Weaver is a douchebag.
oh wait he's both lol.
Anyone have anything to say about this? Can anyone honestly say Ken Weaver could be more of an ass?
I would honestly like someone to list several dozen insults to Ken Weaver. I guarantee lots of people will.
@ken weaver what an idiot basically what you said no games, no movie rentals, no apps it all has to do with the itunes store dumbass. The iphone keyboard is so small if you complain about the pre's keyboard how in the world can you type in a touchscreen were letters are so close to each other. 7.2mbps??? omg yor seriously choke on that one when will att be as fast as sprint's 3g network?? right now they have such a weak one. Compass?? wow lol well i guess everyone needs one since everybody uses their sailing boats to go to work everyday, what new car these days doesn't tell you if youre going N,S, E, or west??
if you need to stare at your compass in your iphone and use it while walking then you-re such a douchebag. To tell you the truth the only thing the iphone is better than the pre is that they have such a big app store and you can surf the web and talk at the same time and thats not a phone problem thats a network difference when the pre comes out in EU (gsm) people will talk and surg at the same time iphone n#%hugger. If youre going to list the negatives please list them accurate. Visual voicemail, video recording, better copy and paste feature will come in updates and yes it won't come out 2 years later cough apple. Expensive??? the minimum plan with att with unlimited txt messages is about $90 with sprint for $99 you get all you can eat or you can take the minimum for $69.99 with unlimited everything except minutes 450 but of course free at 7pm isn't with att and additional $9.99 for this feature.
Look if you like the iphone good for you but is not way better than the pre and the negaitves you listed for the pre don't make sense at all is people like you that people hate who think the iphone is the greatest thing ever, sure is a great phone but there are more phones that can accomplish more things than the iphone for example the pre with just 2 weeks of lifetime look what it can accomplish when the iphone has been around for 2 years.
I can't believe that the Apple Haters are saying that Ken Weaver is trolling. The guy put up some perfectly legit specs on both phones and didn't make one "OMG the iPhone RULEZ!!!" like statement and yet they still call him a douche bag.
So this is how it works in Engadget land. The Apple Haters can say any nasty thing about Apple and that's perfectly okay. They can accuse Engadget of bias at the drop of a hat and directly insult the writers and that's okay, but if a guy presents a perfectly good argument about Apple, he's suddenly a troll.
STFU Paul. Go away, no one wants to hear your crap. You are obviously a troll yourself. You see a post that lists every little stupid thing as a pro for the iPhone and maybe 3 things for the pre and you think it's a brilliant post. You are a troll, and consistently post the most fanboyish comments.
Ken's post is pure crap, that's why he is getting the hate he is. The people responding, if you read their posts, are not haters, they are simply people who can look at real facts and realize that you and Ken are obviously 10 year old fanbois who can do nothing but follow Steve around all day only wishing you could breathe in the same air as him. Open your eyes to the non-apple world around you and you will be much happier with your life.
The Cobra Tag may help you win that losing battle, acting as a Bluetooth device that attaches to your key ring and connects to your phone, it gives you the opportunity to find the missing item if it's less than 30 feet away.
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Getting a Palm Pre tomorrow! Woot!
I love mine, had the iPhone and it just doesn't compare to the Pre... sorry fanboys
I'm copying from websites no problem.
@ aardwolf Well looks like we have a case of "adam doesn't know how shit works"
@ Brando. You can only cut shit from an editable text field. /facepalm. Way to confuse everyone guys.
@Paul
Unfortunetly, we'll still have to hear from those who fap every second they get to the iPhone. Like you.
GTFO and STFU, sir.
@Strap
What bluetooth headphones did you try it on? Having same issue...
And where the hell is the meebo app?!
Yeah, I feel like engadget has very few "apple haters" and a whole lot of Paul A. Chapel Haters.
@Strap: it DOES have AVRCP.
@TeDechman:
Accessibility features are limited to the new 3G s phone only (it wasn't something that came as part of the 3.0 OS upgrade). It was nothing to do with audio, but did offer video contrast features. For the exact details, go to the Apple iPhone website and take a look at what's new with the 3Gs (http://www.apple.com/iphone).
Hope that helps!
I'm having trouble figuring out which phone to buy PALM PRE or IPHONE 3GS? Can anyone help me out here? As far as I can tell, it looks like this:
IPHONE IS LACKING BECAUSE OF THE FOLLOWING:
No multitasking
No Physical keyboard
No LED flash
PALM PRE IS LACKING BECAUSE OF THE FOLLOWING:
8 GB memory limit
No true apps - only webapps (so weak)
No voice and data at the same time (because of Sprint CDMA network)
No voice dialing (WTF)
No video recording (WTF?)
No voice memos (WTF)
No movie rentals (over the air or otherwise)
No visual Voicemail
No TV show rentals
No audiobook purchasing
No true app store (18 is a joke)
No console-quality games (like Resident Evil, Metal Gear, 1000's of others for iPhone)
No Peer to Peer games
No VoiceOver (the iPhone can read any screen to you, just like a Mac)
No native in-car integration (iPhone has this with dozens of cars)
No podcasts
Crippled copy/paste (for example - you can't cut or copy a webpage or any part of it)
No universal search (crippled - no e-mail search)
Tiny keyboard (iPhone landscape and portrait keyboards are bigger than Pre's real keyboard)
No auto wi-fi login (just jumps on any open network and remembers them all)
No 7.2 Mbps network speed
No Remote Wipe
No Find My Phone feature
Can't function as a Remote for the household stereo (Great for parties, especially with the iTunes DJ feature where people can request songs)
Weak battery life
More expensive than iPhone
Very scratchable screen
No oleophobic protective screen
No real music store (Apple can break the compatibility at any time and I don't want to take that chance)
No Voice Commands (control music playing by saying "Depeche Mode" for example)
No Compass
No multiple and customizable home screens like iPhone (Pre only has one screen)
No Parental Controls
No Video Editing
No onboard Ringtone Creation
No 5 person conference calls
No Webclips
Anyone have anything to say about this? Can anyone honestly say the Pre has more features?
PS - the iPhone CAN multitask - you can listen to music, send e-mails, download files, AND surf the web at the same time. What you CANNOT do is have multiple 3rd party apps open at the same time - for example, I can't play Boggle AND Texas Holdem at the same time. And why would I? However, I CAN play Boggle, listen to my music, answer an email, download a PDF, etc. at the same time.
I would honestly like someone to list several dozen features the Pre has that the iPhone doesn't have. I guarantee no one will.
From everything that I've read, 3.0 it has limited AVRCP at best (does not allow forward or reverse track skipping) it merely plays/pauses and questionable volume control. This all begs the question, is this really AVRCP?
Well, good for you. Do you want a cookie?
@Ken Weaver
Your pros are all useless to me. Fanboy nonsense...
Here are some of the things that attracted me to the Pre:
Physical Keyboard (I really dislike the iphone keyboard)
Fast Interface
True Multitasking
Cloud Computing
Agregate facebook, gmail, etc
Better form factor imo
Touchstone (will come down in price eventually)
Peace of mind having not bought into the Apple ecosystem. The Apple computer user hivemind is disgusting.
I don't like iTunes.
Here's some points to debunk your nonsense: No carriers in the USA have 7.2mpbs connection. Battery life is the same. Bluetooth is bluetooth. Small app catalog is due to that it's been out for 11 days. The price is MUCH cheaper than the iphone with a 2 year contract. I don't care about having some shitty games on my phone. Amazon music store is all I need.
Different phones work for different people. I see that you absolutely love your iPhone. Good for you.
Uhh Ken...do you have Apple stuck up your ass or what? Until today, the iPhone did not have video recording, voice memos, voice dialing and many of the stupid other little things you've listed. You act like the iPhone is the phone of all phones...yet all of these things were just added today. Up until today the iPhone didn't even tell you how long a phone call was when you went into your recent lists. Don't get me wrong I like my iPhone, but I'm open to other companies making better products than Apple. I don't worship one and pray to it every night. I know, you can say "well the iPhone has these things now so shit on you", but my point is the iPhone is no better than the Pre. They are both different, and they are both good. I have had my share of problems with my iPhone, I would list them, but I get the feeling you are one of those people who would simply dismiss them.
There should only be one criteria for the PC Fanboys to consider an iPhone versus Pre.
Games.
I mean, that's why you PC guys like. The iPhone has a ton of games. End of discussion.
Ohh Paul, hadn't see you in a while, glad you're back to working for Apple. The iPhone has a ton of shitty games that are way over priced, even at a dollar. Hey look, I can spin my finger around on the screen and colors change. Yayyy!! If PC people know they like games, then they know they want a DS or PSP when it comes to protable gaming, not the iPhone. The iPhone does not even compete and never will. It has games to keep you entertained for all of 3 minutes, and then your battery dies.
Yeah Paul...that made a lot of sense given what I said. Typical "fanboy who can't cope with reality" response from you.
@Paul a. Chapel
I like games, so I buy games for my PC.
Never thought of that, did you?
Yeah Paul...that made a lot of sense given what I said. Typical "fanboy who can't cope with reality" response from you.
Yeah Paul...that made a lot of sense given what I said. Typical "fanboy who can't cope with reality" response from you.
Me too!
GIMME THE
@Ken Weaver
Are you serious? ATT does not do 7.2 mbps Sprint way better network. Apps are coming just like iphone 1.0. The Pre hs teh same parts as the iphone 3gs. Dude you need to do research..BIG TIME!! Looks like you have your mind made up..GO IPHONE YOU WONT REGRET IT! Pre is the da ish. I love mine and i am glad i didnt get an iphone.
@imayam
because if u read the forums it becomes clear that blackberries are already perfect and every real person uses them. So need to report on perfect made perfect, cause nothing changed
Whereas the iPhone is the worst phone ever made and it's sufferers are desperate for any upgrade, like making a phone call.
I'm having trouble figuring out if Ken Weaver is a prick or a douchebag. Can anyone help me out here? As far as I can tell, it looks like this:
Ken Weaver is a prick.
Ken Weaver is a douchebag.
oh wait he's both lol.
Anyone have anything to say about this? Can anyone honestly say Ken Weaver could be more of an ass?
I would honestly like someone to list several dozen insults to Ken Weaver. I guarantee lots of people will.
Oh, another one.
The Palm Pre loses to the iPhone in price, battery power, and on features. Those are facts, guys. Like i said before:
Someone refute this iPhone list, because if you can't, then the Pre loses out to the iphone period.
@ken weaver what an idiot basically what you said no games, no movie rentals, no apps it all has to do with the itunes store dumbass. The iphone keyboard is so small if you complain about the pre's keyboard how in the world can you type in a touchscreen were letters are so close to each other. 7.2mbps??? omg yor seriously choke on that one when will att be as fast as sprint's 3g network?? right now they have such a weak one. Compass?? wow lol well i guess everyone needs one since everybody uses their sailing boats to go to work everyday, what new car these days doesn't tell you if youre going N,S, E, or west??
if you need to stare at your compass in your iphone and use it while walking then you-re such a douchebag. To tell you the truth the only thing the iphone is better than the pre is that they have such a big app store and you can surf the web and talk at the same time and thats not a phone problem thats a network difference when the pre comes out in EU (gsm) people will talk and surg at the same time iphone n#%hugger. If youre going to list the negatives please list them accurate. Visual voicemail, video recording, better copy and paste feature will come in updates and yes it won't come out 2 years later cough apple. Expensive??? the minimum plan with att with unlimited txt messages is about $90 with sprint for $99 you get all you can eat or you can take the minimum for $69.99 with unlimited everything except minutes 450 but of course free at 7pm isn't with att and additional $9.99 for this feature.
Look if you like the iphone good for you but is not way better than the pre and the negaitves you listed for the pre don't make sense at all is people like you that people hate who think the iphone is the greatest thing ever, sure is a great phone but there are more phones that can accomplish more things than the iphone for example the pre with just 2 weeks of lifetime look what it can accomplish when the iphone has been around for 2 years.
I can't believe that the Apple Haters are saying that Ken Weaver is trolling. The guy put up some perfectly legit specs on both phones and didn't make one "OMG the iPhone RULEZ!!!" like statement and yet they still call him a douche bag.
So this is how it works in Engadget land. The Apple Haters can say any nasty thing about Apple and that's perfectly okay. They can accuse Engadget of bias at the drop of a hat and directly insult the writers and that's okay, but if a guy presents a perfectly good argument about Apple, he's suddenly a troll.
Gotta love the immaturity of those Apple Haters.
Ken, that is the biggest fanboy bullshit post I've ever read in my life. You're fucking pathetic.
Then you get to take it back the next day for falling apart on you!! Fail!!
FYI Woot! has been officially been replaced by fail.
STFU Paul. Go away, no one wants to hear your crap. You are obviously a troll yourself. You see a post that lists every little stupid thing as a pro for the iPhone and maybe 3 things for the pre and you think it's a brilliant post. You are a troll, and consistently post the most fanboyish comments.
Ken's post is pure crap, that's why he is getting the hate he is. The people responding, if you read their posts, are not haters, they are simply people who can look at real facts and realize that you and Ken are obviously 10 year old fanbois who can do nothing but follow Steve around all day only wishing you could breathe in the same air as him. Open your eyes to the non-apple world around you and you will be much happier with your life.
Gotta love the immaturity of those iHumpers.