Well 20 days after iPhone 1 launched it had sold 0 apps... Good on Palm for proving that there is a market for this type of thing outside the iPhone.
Now the onus is on the devs to keep their app prices low so the people actually feel these are worth it (as opposed to the wholesale gauging that is happening on the RIM App World)
>> "Well 20 days after iPhone 1 launched it had sold 0 apps..."
Correct... but now substitute iPhone 1 with iPhone 3G... and you'll find out that over 10,000,000 Apple apps were downloaded in the first week. And over a billion apps in less than a year. When was the last time a billion of *anything* was downloaded in less than a year?
There was no app store in 2007 when the first iPhone came out... so why do people even bring that up? Nobody even thought about mobile apps until Apple did it.
I'm a Blackberry user and I STILL can't get anything resembling the free, fun apps that Apple has... and Blackberries have been around for years!
"There was no app store in 2007 when the first iPhone came out... so why do people even bring that up? Nobody even thought about mobile apps until Apple did it."
Woooow.
Yep, sir nooooooo mobile apps existed before Apple came along. No sir...
First of all the "1 Billion" number from Apple is almost certainly bullshit. Why? because it probably takes into account updates, multiple downloads by the same person of the same app (resets, restarts yada yada) and involves a lot "kicking the tyres" people who download apps but never use them. I have a Touch, downloaded about 20 aps and never, ever used them after seeing what they did, like most people probably don't.
A lot of folks buy phones to make phone calls, send texts and perhaps send email, all of which are built in so the idea that apps=phones is yet more bullshit.
If you don't like the Pre then good for you, if you have an iPhone then good for you but STFU already!
You know MIchael Scrip, if you were at all genuine and thought about it a bit, you'd see past your filters and recognize that surely others had reached and surpassed that Billion mark long before.
Nokia sells 1 million phones A DAY. Give or take a few thousand. Many of their phones run the same OS so the phones should be able to run the same applications. Nokia did not have a central application resource so people downloaded from various locations. Over the years, many different platforms had many useful applications available, but no one apparently counted the traffic.
However, you disingenuous buffon, there are lot of synchronocities at play with how the iPhone evolved to achieve that billion d/l's. Media capable devices had just started to become ultra portable. The internet was not that huge of a draw even a few years prior. The average person didn't have access to a multi function device until about 2 or 3 years before the iPhone came out. People were not looking for a portable device to provide as many services because most of them could not provide services beyond calls. Multi function phones slowly achieved traction with the average person... much like the leather jacket went from thug to mom over the course of 30 years... COOPTED. So the iPhone happened to be introduced to the market at a time when it was smart to enter the market, and it used the same basic mentality as Nintendo did with the Wii... dumb and accessible to the majority of people. The app store was a logical development, something I think lazy asses like Nokia and Microsoft should be ashamed of till the end of time.
You know what sucks even more... the US corporate interests prevented a lot of capable and interesting multi function devices from entering the US market earlier and still do today. All over Asia and Europe, phones with 5 and 8 megapixel cameras were being used, but in the US, they were not allowed, so cameras and phones could be sold. This kind of crap has prevented a lot of advancement, but whatever. I strongly suspect that ATT and Apple prevented HTC from bringng the Touch HD into the US market, with threats of cancelling their other contracts because it would have competed with the iPhone. Apple had just introduced the iPhone, and HTC was introducing a phone much more adavanced and capable. Why Microsoft didn't get in there and slap those bitches around, I don't know, but it is a shame whenever companies like ATT prevent the introduction of technologies into markets because it threatens their other agendas. I say, allow all the phones and see which one people really want. This is primarily why I want ATT to fail miserably.
If you were at all genuinely interested in the historical development that brought us to where we are today, you'd see that your points in your post are irrelevant without honest context. But you're obviously not interested in the truth, you're only looking for validation for the choice you made. Grow up...
Sorry... not meaning to say the choice you made at the end.... should read for position you take.
I feel that RIM failed to capitalize on a market that was available... and so did a lot of other companies. But RIM in particular is so respected in so many circles, that it would have been smart for them to have looked into how to expand their market... instead, they focused on how to strengthen their market. That's fine, but they may not survive that long if others offer comparable services with additional features.
You sir...are a ignoramus. Apple "invented mobile apps" =|
AllI have to say...WinMo, RIM, Symbian, Handago, Sidekick, Opera, Java. Those, my good man, had apps. Be a fan if you want, no problem...but don't ever consider yourself a tech lover after that statement sir.
My god, I honestly never thought of that situation before. I always wondered why the HD touch or even touch diamond din't come to the US, and honestly your comment pretty much spelled it out to me. Same with nokias, which people in the US think are terrible phones when in reality they are amazing.
@Michael
My father's palm pilot way back in 2004 had mobile apps, so unless the iphone can bend time then you are honestly the biggest techie iDiot ever. Honestly, you just showed how much of a fanboi you are.
"All over Asia and Europe, phones with 5 and 8 megapixel cameras were being used, but in the US, they were not allowed, so cameras and phones could be sold."
Seroiusly? "Not allowed" seriously? are you a member of 9/11 Truth? Are companies such as Canon, Nikon, Motorola, Nokia, ATT, Verizon, and Apple all part of a greater conspiracy to sell US consumers both phones and camera, instead of camera-phone?
The higher megapixel camera-phones still have terrible lens. Sure the pictures were better than regular camera phones, but the pictures took up more space on the phone and were not even close in quality to the point and shoot cameras.
My girlfriend had one of those imported Sony-Ericsson higher megapixel camera-phone (with real flash), and she took 128 pictures on it in 2 years. (I have her memory card on my desk) And most of those pictures are from those gem fairs she goes to.
So yeah, it's a nice added feature to have a higher pixel camera on a phone, but it's not a killer feature. I'll take my point and shoot to an event over any camera-phone.
First of all... I never said Apple invented apps. I said nobody THOUGHT about apps until Apple did it.
There have always bees app on cell phones... but they weren't always a big deal. Sure there has always been apps on flip phones back in the day... but they were Java apps or Brew apps. But how many people wanted to play a game or use an app using the number keys on their flip phone? The Blackberry (my phone) has had apps forever... but there's only so much you can do with a keyboard and a trackball.
Yes, I know Palm had mobile apps since the original Palm Pilot. But how many people, other than business people used Palm Pilots? The Palm Pilot was not a device accepted by the general public... and it wasn't a device that had the reputation for being a game platform.
@matey87 >> "If you don't like the Pre then good for you, if you have an iPhone then good for you but STFU already!"
Did you miss the part where I said I'm a Blackberry user? Blackberry doesn't have anything resembling the free, fun apps that Apple has... and Blackberries have been around for years! You just completely ignored that part of my comment...
@Brian >> "My father's palm pilot way back in 2004 had mobile apps, so unless the iphone can bend time then you are honestly the biggest techie iDiot ever. Honestly, you just showed how much of a fanboi you are."
Fanboi? I USE A BLACKBERRY. The apps that Blackberry offers have always sucked. And, tell me, how many apps did your dad actually download? Could he buy apps directly from the Palm Pilot? Was it easy enough for him to do? Or did he have to plug it into the computer to download stuff? Here's a bunch of apps for Palm devices... how many of them do Palm users download? http://www.getjar.com/software/Palm_OS/PalmHiRes
Maybe it's just timing. Maybe it just took a device with a large 3" touch screen with WIFI and GPS. Maybe that's the type of platform that gets people excited about apps.
Maybe it's the developers. Maybe they couldn't develop any groundbreaking apps for the RAZR because the device is so limited. I know tons of people who had a RAZR... it used the be the best selling phone in America. I'm sure you know a lot of RAZR users. How many of your friends actually downloaded apps to their RAZR? Here are a tons of apps for the RAZR http://www.getjar.com/software/Motorola/Razr_V3/Applications
I don't know. All I was saying is that mobile apps weren't a big deal until Apple opened their app store. I may be alone with that opinion... but you can't deny the fact that since the Apple platform opened... mobile apps are being downloaded like crazy. I have tons of friends using the iPod Touch, and they download tons of apps and games.
But on their LGs, Blackberries, and Samsung phones?? Zero.
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Well 20 days after iPhone 1 launched it had sold 0 apps...
Good on Palm for proving that there is a market for this type of thing outside the iPhone.
Now the onus is on the devs to keep their app prices low so the people actually feel these are worth it (as opposed to the wholesale gauging that is happening on the RIM App World)
>> "Well 20 days after iPhone 1 launched it had sold 0 apps..."
Correct... but now substitute iPhone 1 with iPhone 3G... and you'll find out that over 10,000,000 Apple apps were downloaded in the first week. And over a billion apps in less than a year. When was the last time a billion of *anything* was downloaded in less than a year?
There was no app store in 2007 when the first iPhone came out... so why do people even bring that up? Nobody even thought about mobile apps until Apple did it.
I'm a Blackberry user and I STILL can't get anything resembling the free, fun apps that Apple has... and Blackberries have been around for years!
"There was no app store in 2007 when the first iPhone came out... so why do people even bring that up? Nobody even thought about mobile apps until Apple did it."
Woooow.
Yep, sir nooooooo mobile apps existed before Apple came along. No sir...
*rolleyes*
"Nobody even thought about mobile apps until Apple did it."
Wait what?
So you are claiming Apple _invented_ mobile apps? I couldn't have even dreamed to see this much BS.
Even the oldskool nokias had apps....
First of all the "1 Billion" number from Apple is almost certainly bullshit. Why? because it probably takes into account updates, multiple downloads by the same person of the same app (resets, restarts yada yada) and involves a lot "kicking the tyres" people who download apps but never use them. I have a Touch, downloaded about 20 aps and never, ever used them after seeing what they did, like most people probably don't.
A lot of folks buy phones to make phone calls, send texts and perhaps send email, all of which are built in so the idea that apps=phones is yet more bullshit.
If you don't like the Pre then good for you, if you have an iPhone then good for you but STFU already!
You know MIchael Scrip, if you were at all genuine and thought about it a bit, you'd see past your filters and recognize that surely others had reached and surpassed that Billion mark long before.
Nokia sells 1 million phones A DAY. Give or take a few thousand. Many of their phones run the same OS so the phones should be able to run the same applications. Nokia did not have a central application resource so people downloaded from various locations. Over the years, many different platforms had many useful applications available, but no one apparently counted the traffic.
However, you disingenuous buffon, there are lot of synchronocities at play with how the iPhone evolved to achieve that billion d/l's. Media capable devices had just started to become ultra portable. The internet was not that huge of a draw even a few years prior. The average person didn't have access to a multi function device until about 2 or 3 years before the iPhone came out. People were not looking for a portable device to provide as many services because most of them could not provide services beyond calls. Multi function phones slowly achieved traction with the average person... much like the leather jacket went from thug to mom over the course of 30 years... COOPTED. So the iPhone happened to be introduced to the market at a time when it was smart to enter the market, and it used the same basic mentality as Nintendo did with the Wii... dumb and accessible to the majority of people. The app store was a logical development, something I think lazy asses like Nokia and Microsoft should be ashamed of till the end of time.
You know what sucks even more... the US corporate interests prevented a lot of capable and interesting multi function devices from entering the US market earlier and still do today. All over Asia and Europe, phones with 5 and 8 megapixel cameras were being used, but in the US, they were not allowed, so cameras and phones could be sold. This kind of crap has prevented a lot of advancement, but whatever. I strongly suspect that ATT and Apple prevented HTC from bringng the Touch HD into the US market, with threats of cancelling their other contracts because it would have competed with the iPhone. Apple had just introduced the iPhone, and HTC was introducing a phone much more adavanced and capable. Why Microsoft didn't get in there and slap those bitches around, I don't know, but it is a shame whenever companies like ATT prevent the introduction of technologies into markets because it threatens their other agendas. I say, allow all the phones and see which one people really want. This is primarily why I want ATT to fail miserably.
If you were at all genuinely interested in the historical development that brought us to where we are today, you'd see that your points in your post are irrelevant without honest context. But you're obviously not interested in the truth, you're only looking for validation for the choice you made. Grow up...
Sorry... not meaning to say the choice you made at the end.... should read for position you take.
I feel that RIM failed to capitalize on a market that was available... and so did a lot of other companies. But RIM in particular is so respected in so many circles, that it would have been smart for them to have looked into how to expand their market... instead, they focused on how to strengthen their market. That's fine, but they may not survive that long if others offer comparable services with additional features.
@Michael Scrip
You sir...are a ignoramus.
Apple "invented mobile apps" =|
AllI have to say...WinMo, RIM, Symbian, Handago, Sidekick, Opera, Java.
Those, my good man, had apps.
Be a fan if you want, no problem...but don't ever consider yourself a tech lover after that statement sir.
@ Scrip
No mobile apps till apple?
you = moron!
@Kwikit
My god, I honestly never thought of that situation before. I always wondered why the HD touch or even touch diamond din't come to the US, and honestly your comment pretty much spelled it out to me. Same with nokias, which people in the US think are terrible phones when in reality they are amazing.
@Michael
My father's palm pilot way back in 2004 had mobile apps, so unless the iphone can bend time then you are honestly the biggest techie iDiot ever. Honestly, you just showed how much of a fanboi you are.
@kwikit
"All over Asia and Europe, phones with 5 and 8 megapixel cameras were being used, but in the US, they were not allowed, so cameras and phones could be sold."
Seroiusly? "Not allowed" seriously? are you a member of 9/11 Truth? Are companies such as Canon, Nikon, Motorola, Nokia, ATT, Verizon, and Apple all part of a greater conspiracy to sell US consumers both phones and camera, instead of camera-phone?
The higher megapixel camera-phones still have terrible lens. Sure the pictures were better than regular camera phones, but the pictures took up more space on the phone and were not even close in quality to the point and shoot cameras.
My girlfriend had one of those imported Sony-Ericsson higher megapixel camera-phone (with real flash), and she took 128 pictures on it in 2 years. (I have her memory card on my desk) And most of those pictures are from those gem fairs she goes to.
So yeah, it's a nice added feature to have a higher pixel camera on a phone, but it's not a killer feature. I'll take my point and shoot to an event over any camera-phone.
@rask
and if the Pre could go back to 2007 your stats could apply.
@all of you
First of all... I never said Apple invented apps. I said nobody THOUGHT about apps until Apple did it.
There have always bees app on cell phones... but they weren't always a big deal. Sure there has always been apps on flip phones back in the day... but they were Java apps or Brew apps. But how many people wanted to play a game or use an app using the number keys on their flip phone? The Blackberry (my phone) has had apps forever... but there's only so much you can do with a keyboard and a trackball.
Yes, I know Palm had mobile apps since the original Palm Pilot. But how many people, other than business people used Palm Pilots? The Palm Pilot was not a device accepted by the general public... and it wasn't a device that had the reputation for being a game platform.
@matey87 >> "If you don't like the Pre then good for you, if you have an iPhone then good for you but STFU already!"
Did you miss the part where I said I'm a Blackberry user? Blackberry doesn't have anything resembling the free, fun apps that Apple has... and Blackberries have been around for years! You just completely ignored that part of my comment...
@Brian >> "My father's palm pilot way back in 2004 had mobile apps, so unless the iphone can bend time then you are honestly the biggest techie iDiot ever. Honestly, you just showed how much of a fanboi you are."
Fanboi? I USE A BLACKBERRY. The apps that Blackberry offers have always sucked. And, tell me, how many apps did your dad actually download? Could he buy apps directly from the Palm Pilot? Was it easy enough for him to do? Or did he have to plug it into the computer to download stuff? Here's a bunch of apps for Palm devices... how many of them do Palm users download? http://www.getjar.com/software/Palm_OS/PalmHiRes
Maybe it's just timing. Maybe it just took a device with a large 3" touch screen with WIFI and GPS. Maybe that's the type of platform that gets people excited about apps.
Maybe it's the developers. Maybe they couldn't develop any groundbreaking apps for the RAZR because the device is so limited. I know tons of people who had a RAZR... it used the be the best selling phone in America. I'm sure you know a lot of RAZR users. How many of your friends actually downloaded apps to their RAZR? Here are a tons of apps for the RAZR http://www.getjar.com/software/Motorola/Razr_V3/Applications
I don't know. All I was saying is that mobile apps weren't a big deal until Apple opened their app store. I may be alone with that opinion... but you can't deny the fact that since the Apple platform opened... mobile apps are being downloaded like crazy. I have tons of friends using the iPod Touch, and they download tons of apps and games.
But on their LGs, Blackberries, and Samsung phones?? Zero.