Been hankering to see what Flash -- via the
Open Screen Project -- actually looks like on an Android (or any modern mobile) device? Well hanker no more, ya'll. Adobe has helpfully dropped a video on us which has Flash team member Adrian Ludwig demo'ing the newly minted HTC Hero (multitouch gestures included). Once the content loads up, it seems to run at a pretty snappy rate, though waiting on Flash content to appear doesn't look encouraging if you're in the midst of casual browsing (or on a weak connection). We'll be interested to see what this is like in the real world -- and for platforms beyond Android -- but for now at least we've got something to go on.
Read - HTC Hero: The first Android device with Flash
Read - New HTC Hero Delivers More Complete Web Browsing Experience with Adobe Flash Technology
posted Jun 24th 2009 10:09AM
Wow, I had JUST sent this tip in!
But OMG.
Sure death to anyone who says you DON'T need Flash. This is just beautiful!
Give me the option to enable this on my iPhone. Like right now. (and throw in some Hulu lovin' too please?)
iphone will never get flash just like how macbook refuse to add blu ray or hdmi output
they want you to buy videos from itunes, flash = can stream videos for free from many websites
Right, I'm completely convinced now that iPhone is not going for flash for fear of it taking away attention from games, tv shows, etc.
As poster just said...why PAY for a show you can just browse on over to Hulu or YouTube for??
Why pay for a game...when you can head on over to NewGround, AddictingGames, etc and play around.
As my later post said...give me a faster processor, better battery, and more RAM..you will have an Android lover for life!
In addition to what people have said above, I'm sure Apple won't let Adobe have access to the iPhone needed to integrate Flash into Safari, and other applications (Unless Apple integrates it themselves, but that would require Apple buying Flash).
Apple will keep 3rd party developers playing in the same digital sandbox with the same rules and policies watching over their every move.
I THINK (don't quotew me on this) I heard somewhere that Apple is trying to get Quicktime on the platform rather than Adobe so they won't have to shell out monies. But as I said...I THINK I heard that
You just wished DEATH upon me? HTML5+ECMA JIT+SMIL FTW.
But OMG.
Sure death to Flash.
@Ethana
I'm a big fan of HTML5 also (Google follower here)
But the reality is...it will be a LONG while before HTML 5 is publicly ready for computers, let alone mobile devices. And an even LONGER time before it replaces Flash content. So I mean...it's all nice wanting it...because I look forward to it too.
But you have to look at the reality and current situations. There just is no go around for Flash at the CURRENT moment. Sooooo...
what are you talking about???
iphone is the best thing since slice bread! i even used it to wipe my butt.
who needs flash when i can use iphone to do that!
WOOT!!!!
Now i can stream videos from my favorite pron sites!
Can the iPhone fanboys AND owners stop making this a iPhone post?
This is flash on Android. iPhone users should go back to their iTunes DESKTOP app and their 3.0SDK. You don;t have flash (yet), so quit your whining and b*tching about not having flash--just go buy a Hero, considering you're willing to shell out $499 for an 'upgraded' 3G-S, you can afford it.
Otherwise, Hulu FTW on Android. Looks good.
Wow, Engadget, 3 HTC article in a rows. I'm impressed.
@recharged95
To be fair, you probably ought to have requested the people who don't like the iPhone to stop posting comments that mock the lack of Flash on it since there seems to be a heck of a lot of them.
My position on this subject remains the same, however - when Adobe delivers an efficient bit of code that will run on the Mac OS then we'll see Flash on the iPhone. The ball is very much in Adobe's court and it will be interesting to see if they are even interested in making it into the locker room, let alone onto the court...
Who needs game apps from the appstore when you can play it on flash? Oh the iPhone owners are gonna be so envious about this GIANT feature. Flash is gonna be here to stay. HTML5 can wait for another 10 years. hahahahaha!
I believe that a year from now, pretty much all smartphones will offer Flash. Apple will get on board because they're not going to want to be at an enormous disadvantage, and Adobe will clearly work with them to make it work. They might not offer Flash on older iPhones if it's a resource hog though. Flash won't hurt the sales of iPhone games, which are optimized for the iPhone and iPod Touch and are dirt cheap. And Apple never intended for the iTunes store to be a major revenue source-- it's there to benefit the iPod and not the other way around.
true... and watch iphone 3GSK next year add Led light with the camera and Multitasking apple fans will scream from joy
and at 2012 apple will ad flash support and apple fans will start telling everybody how advanced is there phone
in the meantime i'll enjoy my flash games and video streams for free in my mobile phone like what i been doing since last year lol
What do people want Flash for??? Most smartphones have built-in hardware decoding for different video codecs that use 1/10 the power than if you were to use the ARM chip for decoding. Unless Flash is actually able to offload decoding onto this hardware, then flash video is only going to peg your CPU and drain the battery very quickly..
ugh. it's "y'all" not "ya'll". You + all = y'all.
Sheesh.
@iDavey
HTML5 is supported right now, almost completely, in Chrome, Safari, Firefox, and Opera.
The ONLY browsers lagging behind are IE and mobiles.
Also, even the mobile build of WebKit in Android's mobile Chrome implementation supports much of HTML5 (though broad canvas support is noticeably absent).
Yeah iPhone, take a hint.
hey webran... I'm sorry you couldnt afford two hundred bucks to be cool
(fully sarcastic, with a smidge of "eff-you" thown in)
Hello,
I am sorry you couldn't fathom the possibility that I already paid over $400 for an iPhone that can't do what this can do already.
(no sarcasm at all)
Apple took a couple of years to add copy'n'paste to the iPhone, so it won't add Flash before the next millenium. In a way, I feel sorry for all those iPhone users pretending they don't care their shiny shiny precious will never have Flash...
"In a way, I feel sorry for all those iPhone users pretending they don't care their shiny shiny precious will never have Flash..."
That's probably true - the likelihood of Adobe delivering an efficient Flash Player for the iPhone seems low so until that happens the iPhone will indeed be Flash-less.
flash is not the end-all of mobile phone/smartphone/cell phone usage. I've been using a an iPhone for a year now and have come across at most probably 20 pages give or take that I can't view, which wasn't life or death, just looked them up when I got back to the computer. Now, I'm only defending the 'no flash' thing at the expense of battery life. I would MUCH rather have a longer battery than be able to view another .01% of the pages I visit. If adobe gets their act together, sure. I hope apple sticks it on the iphone. BTW engadget - any way to figure out what the battery hit is with this phone + flash?
I cant imagine how slow it will be to load a web page with tons of flash ADs.
What are---
if the mobile browser supports add-ons, just use an extension like Adblock Plus to filter out the bad flash (i.e. annoying ads) from the good flash (i.e. hulu, youtube, game sites, etc). Plus flash supports opens the door to adobe AIR applications.
I can't wait to accidentally run my finger over those 'free emoticon ads' and have them go "SAY SOMETHING!!" arhghasdfghsdf;lgj;sldfg
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@Jaxim- Exactly. The problem is, so many applets are completely real-world unaware of what add-ons can do for a browsing experience. Chained to Safari, choice really isn't an environment they can play/work within.
no video?
no Flash video?
Yup, sucks having no video. We need to see how well this works along with how well the screen rotation works etc...
cause it's not like the first read link has a video in it or anything...oh wait
LOL...
someone who was too lazy to look thanks you ;)
Right. The trailer in the demo was just a series of still pictures played really, really fast.
Trailer?? The video was an actual interview with the man...what the hell are you people looking at =\
@iDavey
he's talking about the transformers 2 trailer that was played on the device, which i agree looks like a slide show, the game however seemd smooth (that would be the penguin game shown later)
And...this is running on 528Mhz processor and 288MB RAM.
Just imagine at LEAST a Tegra/Snapdragon processor at 700Mhz and 256+RAM
My good googly moogly. We'd have a wonderful thing on our hands.
Can you see completely free gaming. I can see why Apple wouldn't want this on their phone. With access to Flash gaming...it could take away attention from the gaming platform
(although the penguin game wasn't a good example...so I'd need to see more proof of flash games working)
@iDavey: "Can you see completely free gaming. I can see why Apple wouldn't want this on their phone. With access to Flash gaming...it could take away attention from the gaming platform"
Bingo. The iPhone is perhaps the greatest mobile phone on the planet...except for the dictator that controls it. And so, others step in to fill the void. The free market is a wonderful thing.
The greatest monuments are created by dictators.
Well sure, but of course the rumor is that Apple didn't crank the MHz all the way up on the iPhone 3GS because doing so would have made the battery life even worse, given that some people think its already unacceptable.
Course you could make it a firmware option, and sell a really thick device with a bigger battery, assuming people would make that compromise.
take that iphone! i bet theyll add this 'feature' around version 7
Apple WWDC 2017: "We are pleased to announce that Mobile safari is going to have flash for iphone and ipod touch.... when hell freezes over!"
@Ivan
+5 you witty little thing! LMAO
Please please PLEASE include Flash on the ZuneHD.
Zune HD + Tegra + Flash= Totally BadAzz.... And to answer ur question the Zune HD iz supposed to have lil' bits of WM7 in it so I would expect the browser to have flash.
Adobe has already said that tegra will have gpu acceleration for flash.
I'm afraid the Zune HD won't have flash for the same reason the iphone won't, MS wants you to buy what flash gives you for free.
I hope the HD gets flash, but I'm not holding my breath.
I think the Zune HD will have flash (including games)for one reason: Flash games and full on 3d games (like are rumored and plausible because of tegra) do not compete with each other. The flash games will be awesome, sure, but they can't make use of the truly amazing 3d graphics like specially developed games can. I see flash as a great user friendly move that provides a large number of great games and a dedicated game store as a smart move for users who want to be able to play games without wifi and want to utilize that awesome tegra processor.
Photoshop screen mockups are not real demos....however, with that said. Once there are 20 million HTC devices running Flash perhaps (and only then) will Apple wake up and decide to add Flash to the iPhone. Hopefully it happens before 20.
Photoshop screens??? =\
You know if you took your head out of your ass for a second you could, you know CLICK the first link that has a VIDEO...twit.
@Tes
Eh, eh, eh, eh, eh....
Just let the tech noob be...let the tech noob be, LMAO
After being unburdened by the lack of Flash on phones, I can't imagine people actually WANTING it (other than sites missing out on ad revenues). I'm sure it's useful for some things, but I'm in the camp that wishes to discourage Flash usage as much as possible.
You must have an iPhone! LOL
Nah, I only joke and kid with you my good folk.
But I'm sure you will have the ability to turn it off. Just the same as with images and javascript.
Just the point of having options is much better than excluding it all together.
flash is fine, you don't like it? turn it off. but don't spit on the cake other people are happy to eat :D
flash made its way into our hearts with low overhead content, like cartoons, games, and interactive websites. it only recently became the hated spambloated advertising platform and it's the website owners who are to blame, not the platform itself.
""Congratulations! You have won a free iPod! ""
never on any site i ran. i wouldn't allow such filth.
That, unfortunately, isn't Apple's mentality. They're really not about giving their consumers options. However, if you like the stack they're offering they usually do it the best, but certainly not for people who like options.
Right...Apple takes the approach that you're too dumb to know how to manage your own phone.
And with the people I see holding iPhones...
No offense...
But they normally are too dumb to know how to manage their own phone, hence why they have an iPhone.
Let's see- so you probably will be able to turn off Flash capability, there will be add-ons like adblocker ... that's how we roll once reaching internet 201 ... what is it about you people who simply do not understand the concept of CHOICE?
i have "FIRST" rights on this one..i posted the link in the hero article that was posted earlier
if it makes you feel better, i'll back you up on that :)
"Please sir, I want to bog down my already slow wireless connection even more, and shorten my battery life further than a fast processor and big bright colour screen will achieve, just to get Flash on my phone, because Flash has done *so* much for the interwebs..."
...is what I'd be saying if I was an iFanBois.
Wow! A 3.5 mm jack and now Flash. What will those geniuses think of next!
i was hoping they'd use MicroUSB.
I want this phone, or at least Flash and the Hero interface on my G1, and I am SET!!!
Or hell, I'll just get the Hero when it comes out, I don't think the G1 can handle with the lower RAM.
If I can just get it on UTMS 1700/2100 I'm good and set.
Or get a ROM working on say...the Galaxy or upcoming Huawei handset (IF it has good internal specs)
I'll be happy as a lil birdie
F**k Flash!
Very yes.
Wish I could see it running on my iPhone....
Apple doesn't want Flash on the iphone, then you will play all these little flash games you can get on the internet for free instead of buying those $1-10 Apps
You mean those actually GOOD free games? Don't worry Apple, I'll still come to the App store for my fart and nose picking apps.
"Apple doesn't want Flash on the iphone"
This is true but the reason why is probably unknown to you. As I've said (many, many times), it's because Flash is hopeless on the Mac platform and consumes far too much system resources to do anything as common as play a Flash video file. I absolutely guarantee that Apple would put Flash on the iPhone if Adobe could demonstrate a version of the Flash Player that ran well on the platform.
The modifications they made to the browser seem really nice. Funny how the whole multi-touch support that was such a huge deal a while ago just kind of snuck in under the bigger Flash announcement.
I also really like the fact that you can double tap on a flash animation and have it play full-screen. Practically eliminates the need for a standalone app.
WTF!?!?!? TWILIGHT!?!?!?
There is a Flash player on my PSP and it sucks balls. But thats limited in memory. Gotta wait till october for the pre flash beta. Boo.
It looks like a tricorder =)
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/5807/tricorderhtchero.jpg
A Tricorder... now there's something HTC should develop. I would use one.
This looks very promising!
Man... this makes the Android even more DO WANT for me. PLEASE VERIZON... GET THIS PHONE.
Sweet, me being an ActionScript programmer. :-)
realized his fingernails are really tiny......
is that finger type common? seems like they're designed for capacitive touchscreens.....
my fingernails always get in the way when using capacitive touchscreens.... so i had to fall back to using WinMo.... :(
Flash? I thought all Flash was good for was slowing down my browser to load all those crappy Flash advertisements. FLASH IS NOTHING MORE THAN A MEANS TO DELIVER CRAPPY ADS!
apple/ie moron: ever heard of adblock? Didn't think so. It'll be on android in a NY second
Then you haven't used the internet, if you think flash is only ads
I liked his jab at the iPhone in is final line: "you'll be able to get the full, 'real web' on mobile devices"
Give me flash on my Pre and ill be a happy camper. i want to surf the "REAL" web like i do at home. Hulu hear i come.
Don't worry buddy, it'll come soon on the Pre... but not on the iPhone... sorry iFanboys.
Dear Adobe,
That's a lovely video that you posted that has clearly demonstrated that you can run Flash content on a platform that isn't Windows and its performance is OK. Why, in the name of Greek buggery, are you so incapable of making Flash run well on the Macintosh desktop platform? If you can make it run well there then I am quite sure that Steve will let you put Flash on the iPhone as well.
Kind regards,
Kelmon
I doubt that it's Adobe's fault that flash does not run well on Apple hardware/software.
Take for example...I have Windows. Everytime I try to use iTunes or Safari...my shit gets very buggy, hiccup-y, and slow.
I switch on over to Chrome/Firefox/Opera (yes I have all browsers on my computer, lol) or RealPlayer...everything is perfect.
I think it's simply a marketing ploy to get people to switch fully to Apple SW/HW
"So your iTunes slowing down on your 'slow' Windows PC. Switch on over to a MacBook where iTunes work perfectly! =]"
Yeah...but it's a genius ploy though...
Never happens to me on my windows boxes, and yes it IS adobe's fault, They have NEVER made a non windows flash plug-in that wasn’t a horrid piece of shit, Of course from a web developers standpoint there is no Flash plug-in that isnt a horrible useless POS.
See, I'd consider this argument if it wasn't for the fact that Silverlight runs rings around Flash on the Mac. If Microsoft can do it (and they hardly have a good track record of investing in Mac applications), why the heck can't Adobe? I am absolutely convinced that Adobe could make Flash work on the Mac platform if they gave the problem some effort.
Ultimately, I just don't think Adobe gives a shit, and in some ways that's fine. I just get the hump with people that seem to think that Flash not being on the iPhone is Apple's fault when it clearly isn't.
However, I will agree that Apple's track record on producing Windows versions of its applications isn't good, although that's not really a factor here.
Oh, well hmm. Adobe...I can no longer defend you, LMAO
But yeah, I was just presenting that as a possible connection as to Apple wanting most folks to switch on over to their products. But Silverlight working nicely on Mac crushes that. Soooo
Hmm...yeah, Adobe needs to get it together. As much as iPhone users are saying they don't want Flash-similar interaction...I'm sure it would be a different tune if they did get it.
There never is anything wrong with having choice. But there is everything wrong with being told you HAVE to only do this.
I don't like being controlled, lol
In case anyone wonders what Adobe's attitude is on this subject, have a look at the following link. This presents Adobe's response to the perfectly valid question of whether they will ever deliver an efficient Flash Player for the Mac platform that doesn't crash:
http://www.bynkii.com/archives/2009/06/doing_it_wrong.html
The author of the blog that this article takes its excerpt from has since removed the comments and closed the thread. However, his solution to the problem of Flash on the Mac is to close your browser tabs and use a Flash-blocker. That just tells you all you need to know.
wow thats awesome, Flash is so nice... now everyone can play addictinggames anywhere!
www.yovia.com/blogs/timlara
Everything I've seen of flash running on mobile phones including the linked video makes me want Flash as far away from my phone as I can keep it.
You all talking about having flash games? Are you kidding? Can you imagine all of the work that Adobe would need to do (and hasn't done) to even get a Flash game to work with finger input? Let alone the fact that so far all anyone has shown is incredibly slow loading, and low frame rate crap.
Playing a flash game on a phone is akin to javascript based games we were stuck with on the iPhone before the SDK was released.
It's a neat tech demo but I would never want this in real life. Maybe in 5 years or so when the phone processors catch up and it would actually perform remotely like my desktop.
You mean like 1Ghz/1.5Ghz type processor.
Man I wish that type of tech was available for the mobile public
Hopefully WinMo will get this and silverlight so best of both worlds.
Now need the guys at XDA-Devs to deliver so I can switch for Android and WinMo as I please.
The demo video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuTQD08hYFs
guys............
FLASH ALREADY EXISTS AND WORKS GREAT.
it's called: SkyFire
http://www.skyfire.com/
I have a HTC touch diamond...it's works flawlessly, and stop dissing WinMo devices. It's more configurable than iPhone and Android put together.
Some folks...I tell ya...are slow. :P
I find that comment highly...uh...hmm.
Maybe more so than the iPhone...but Android.
Where all developers have acces to the very core of the OS =\
There's a reason it's called "open source"