Poll: So how do YOU think Blu-ray is doing?
By Richard Lawler 
posted June 27th 2009 2:15PM
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I think blu-ray is doing fine for the kind of economy its in. See blu-ray is looked upon as a premium to most general consumers, a luxury. Most consumer's these days are trying to cut back and save any way they can, and will purchase the DVD copy instead because it is typically allot cheaper. I think is blu-ry prices falll at the 19.95 mark on new releases there should be some major improvement. Prices of DVD go down allot the week after they come they are released, but bluray the price seems to stay the same the whole time. So the DVD copy could be for $14.95 but the Bluray will still be sitting at $29.95, nearly double the price.
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"I think blu-ray is doing fine for the kind of economy its in. See blu-ray is looked upon as a premium to most general consumers, a luxury if I must say so. Most consumer's these days are trying to cut back and save money anyway they can, and will purchase the DVD copy instead because it is typically allot cheaper generally. I think if blu-ry prices falll below/at the 19.95 mark on new releases there should be some major improvement in the brands market share. The prices of DVD's go down tremendously the week after there release date, but bluray the price seems to stay the same the whole time. For Example: The DVD copy could be for $14.95 but the Bluray will still be sitting at $29.95, nearly double the price."
I think it is doing just fine. Even the public library in this crappy city (Lansing, MI) has a wide selection of Blu-ray movies.
More players are coming out. Prices are falling. More movies available everyday & the prices of those movies are falling. Sure, might not be happening as rapidly as some would hope, but every single day is a step in the right direction.
The "right direction" is no longer using fragile media for playback. I've been trough LP's, 8-Tracks, Cassette Tapes, CD's, Mini-Discs, mp3's, VHS, S-VHS, Betamax, 3/4 inch, DVD's, HD-DVD's and now Blu-Rays and if there is anything I've learned over the years it is the inevitable evolution to a non media playback solution. Eventually all playback is going to end up on a computer or other hardware based tech, so I see no point in jumping into yet another fragile, scratch-able, breakable, lose-able format that will be replaced within a decade.
It is far simpler, more flexible and safer to play the media from cheap, clone-able, RAID-able replaceable, hard drives. It's going to all end up there eventually and I see no reason to wait through whatever format they come up with to replace BluRays in the years to come. But whatever it is, the computer solution will be ready and waiting for it and all I'll have to do is buy another drive.
Doing fine? As in what? Sales? Maybe not in sales but I think that in what it said it was going to do it's doing perfectly fine, especially nowadays.
If you've seen some of the remastered versions of older movies, and I mean more than a couple decades, they are looking fantastic and sounding fantastic on Blu-ray. It is because of Blu-ray that I can never go back to SD. My eyes just won't tolerate it anymore!
Blu-ray has already far exceeded the penetration of LaserDisc, an almost 20-year format. So obviously Blu-ray will survive and be supported by all the studios as the premier HD format until some sort of solid state format takes over in the fairly distant future. Whether Blu-ray becomes as big as DVD is really irrelevant to the format's survival, and should only be of interest to those who are selling it, so they know how many players and discs they need to produce.
You've got to be kidding... or stupid.
You know what held up LD? COST, and we aren't talking Blu-ray style cost here we are talking Maserati style cost here. The machines during production life NEVER dropped below the $700 mark, and Discs never dropped below $60. At the time Home Electronics high end started at around $600, in comparison to now hovering at around $1000. You want to know what the price of a low end Blu-ray player ($160) would be using the low end LaserDisc standards, over $1000. Would you spend that much on Blu-ray just to play the movies? Blu-ray didn't even start selling stand alone units until they hit the $600 price range and that was still considered a little pricey for most. The reason why Studios continued to support LD druing all that time was because it was widely popular in Japan and didn't cost that much more to produce for the US and European markets, even if it only had 3 million consumers. Blu-ray on the other hand is failing because of the fact that unlike LD, which was a major upgrade from VHS and BetaMax, it is not a major upgrade in comparison to the dominant format, the price is around that of DVD at launch but DVD at launch was a noticeable difference from VHS, LD had no chance because it was a rich toy for the most part and was bulky to boot. Try comparing it to valid technology, you can't because VHS and DVD both were far more stable at the 3 year mark in their life than Blu-ray, and don't forget the purchasing population has dramatically increased since 1997 and saying its made further penetration than DVD in the same period is like comparing Gone With the Wind and The Wizard of Oz ticket sales to Titanic's, STUPID, the comparison cannot be made without proper adjustments to the market. If studios aren't seeing a profit and something better comes out with more potential the least profitably market gets dropped... In the case of VHS vs LaserDisc DVD came out and LD was axed. Do you even watch where the industry is going or do you just come on here looking at what new is being said to boost Blu-ray's confidence? The market is stagnant for Blu-ray and there are dozens of companies lining up to provide some source for HD streaming content. Which do you think is more likely to be adopted, a technology based on 40 year old research using new processes with very little adaptability or a technology which has proven to work based on 10 year old research which can be adapted according to need?
This survey engadget is doing is as stupid and inaccurate as the one they are trying to disprove, and its clear that people who are clearly afraid that there was no real winning format in the HD Disc war are clambering about like there's no tomorrow. I find it odd that Engadget has since hired new people to carry the banner of Blu-ray since their old banner carriers have realized that the battle between HD DVD and Blu-ray was completely pointless in the end.
Jeez, I don't think I've ever seen so much blathering on without a point being made.
MY point was that Blu-ray doesn't have to meet or surpass DVD sales to be a success, at least to me. I owned LD, at a time when new release VHS movies cost $90 apiece for anyone foolish enough to buy one, so don't lecture me about cost.
"How is Blu-ray doing?" Fine for me, because I can get most any movie I want, with vastly improved picture and sound, at a slight price premium over DVD. What more do you want? Is it really so critical to you that your chosen format be embraced by everyone?
Well thought out reply Mr.E
I completely agree with you, I think Blu-ray is doing fine (especially with PS3's support). As more and more people see the difference between Blu-ray and DVD's, there's no going back. And there is a difference, you'd have to be blind to not notice the clarity in the images. Furthermore the capacities of these disks allow much more than just a storage medium.
I have friends who have no interest in upgrading to Blu-ray just yet due to the price of course, but even they're amazed at the difference between Blu-ray and DVD. Which has led to more movie nights at my house. So yes, Blu-ray is continuously gaining interest amongst many families.
When cable companies allow me fast enough lines to dl a hd movie in the time it takes for me to go rent one or enough bandwith, then I will truely believe Blu-ray won't succeed.
In the meantime, I will continue to enjoy HD movies on my HDTV.
I've never seen a Blu-ray movie and I don't even know anyone who owns a Blu-ray player or has even seen a Blu-ray movie.
Somehow I don't believe you....either you're lying or you never visit a Walmart, Best Buy, Meijer, or just about any other store that sales electronic entertainment....
I've seen the physical products on store shelves, just never seen the content on the discs.
Why is he being modded down for never watching a BD movie....???
Again, I don't believe you. Every Walmart is supposed to have a HDTV with blu-ray playing on it...same with Best Buy...seriously, you're either stretching the truth or completely unobservant.
I have been very impressed with the quality of the movies and the prices don;t bother me one bit. Such is the cost of getting in at the beginning of a technology arc and if you want a good discount you can get your discs through Amazon.
But I am disappointed with the releases thusfar. Too many mindless blockbusters I could care less about, not many classics, and some really weird and random choices on the part of the studios for back catalog releases.
I find myself buying a disc every couple of months but mostly I'm just renting Blu-ray's and DVD's from Netflix. Streaming is OK in a pinch but I'd rather just wait a day for an HD version in the mail. And HD downloads from Xbox and Apple just don't seem worth the premium cost when you already have a Netflix account.
I understand that the demographic for this kind of stuff is 18-25 year old males but older movie fans have tons of discretionary income and the studios just aren't giving us enough good releases so we can give them our money.
So I think Blu-ray has a lot of potential but so far I have been pretty underwhelmed by the selection. They really need to pick up the pace.
I think Blu-Ray is some ways behind when compared to DVDs historical adoption path, but then again, DVD didn't have to deal with a major format war or with being contingent on the adoption of a new TV technology.
As others have said, prices are coming down; DVD sales are already on the downward slope; the format will last beyond "these tough economic times"; and, more importantly, high definition downloading and streaming still hasn't gotten its act together to present a challenge, and is at best seen as a complement rather than a competitor to Blu-Ray discs.
Blu-Ray may never see the market share of DVD, and its reign on top may be shorter than DVD's, once downloads do get their act together. But I'm convinced it will have its day in the sun as the dominant format for home video consumption.
Hmm...I'll probably get Blu-ray eventually...at the moment though I'm content with DVD...I just don't like the additional price of Blu-ray. But now that I have an HD projector, I'm sure I'll see a quality difference that might warrant a Blu-ray player purchase.
And LaserDisc was launched in the late 70's so its 30 years old BTW.
I recently bought a Blu-ray player AND a 1080p monitor for less than I paid for either my first VCR or my old 68cm CRT TV. I have four of the eight movies I care about owning on Blu-ray and the other four have been advertised as coming soon. I can rent Blu-ray discs from a video rental place across the road for the same price as DVDs. Several of my friends have a small, but growing, Blu-ray collection.
As far as I'm concerned, it's arrived.
I stopped buying DVD's a year before blu-ray (or HD-DVD) came out. This is after a decade or more of building a DVD collection. I don't watch any fewer movies now than I did before, I just don't buy them anymore. The problem with blu-ray is:
1. the premium for the format
2. Lack of movies that justify the format
3. other sources that are "almost" as great looking.
I check the blu-ray releases every week looking for that ZOMG MUST GET BLURAY movie and it's just not happening. While the blu-ray transfer of The Godfather might be pristine, most people don't give a shit that you can see the original film grain. Those same people don't know what dither or color banding is either. While it may already be bigger than LD was, it's going to be the same niche product.
what's blu-ray good for again? everything's going hulu/netflix/boxee streaming anyway. i can't even remember the last time i physically held a disc-like object in my hand. that's soooo 1990s. if you want me to purchase a physical object, at least make it something that i can eat.
I'm all for steaming/downloadable content etc, but really, it's not going to take the place of physical media that soon. Everything's "going hulu/netflix/boxee streaming anyway"? You mean that Hulu that may be pretty limited on content soon due to studios wanting a different model (http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/biztech/06/26/wired.tv.everywhere/index.html)? Or the Netflix streaming that inexplicably stops working or slows to a crawl intermittently (while my Internet speeds are normal)? You mean any of the streaming services that don't offer as high quality of a picture or sound consistently?
Blu-ray is great for some things not so great for others, like just about everything else.
I do highly suspect that the special Blu-ray coating may not taste good, but I'll leave that for you to find out since you seem to be keen on eating any physical objects you purchase ... hope you don't go fertilizer shopping soon :P
the cable giants are just being cranky because their local monopoly--err, i mean--business model might actually have to face competition on the open market. god forbid.
i thought we were talking about blu-ray in any case, which serves virtually no purpose and has no nutritional value. if your streams are dying, maybe you should invest in a better router. you probably have a flaccid connection limit.
Well, let's see. We have the best possible 1080p picture available at almost 5 times less the compression rate than your "hulu/netflix/boxee streaming". We have lossless audio at 4-6 megabites per second over downloads which run an average of 90 KILOBITES per second, severely degrading all soundtracks (that's less than the ultra-compressed sound on DVD). We have discs that are jam packed with extras and many several versions of a film. We can instantly watch a HD movie in 1080p/lossless instead of waiting for hours for something like that to download. We can have our movie secure on our shelf and never have to worry when our hard drive or storage unit is going to fail and we lose our movie collection. Because when you buy a download, if you lose the storage device(s) that the movie is on, you are not allowed a replacement download (I've checked into it). We have BDlive, which I do believe WILL turn into something better than it is. BDlive has many possibilities, it's just in its infancy. We have discs with an excellent anti-scratch coating that has gone through kids and one disc even a dog and all scratches wiped off completely.
I've streamed Netflix (from their ultimately dismal collection of streaming titles available), and at times the movie freezes or doesn't have picture or loses sound. This is with a much higher connection to the internet than 80% of consumers have (I pay extra for higher bandwidth speed). I have watched at a friend's home on Hulu, quality is fair. There are no extras. The sound is crap, especially if you like good audio (I have yet to see many 5.1 streams, if any), so you're stuck with Dolby Pro-Logic.
I will take my 1080p picture with lossless audio exactly the same as the studio master, with all of the extras, on a well-protected disc available to play instantly from my shelf anyday. I'm not saying Blu-ray is for everyone, but I believe that the format will replace DVD and be the norm once player prices hit $100 and the studios charge less for their catalog titles(which I think is a big problem right now). We'll see what happens. People that spend a few thousand on a great 1080p television and have a nice receiver are going to want to buy quality to play on them. I have yet to see great quality on any of these other electronic sources on the net, even Netflix HD streaming has no 5.1 sound and is only 720p.
Blu-ray is flat on it's back, it's not yet dead but it is horribly ill .
Neilson showed $16 million in movie disk sales last week - up from under $8 million the week before.
That's terrible. Period.
Blu-ray effectively launched with PS3, guaranteeing it several million installed players fast.
DVD in contrast was 3yrs+ on it's own before PS2 came along.
The best the blu-ray cheer-leaders can do is make highly debateable claims that Blu-ray's first 3yrs is close or similar to DVD's
(they've stopped claiming it's ahead cos the recession just makes that claim laughable).
In view of Blu-ray's inclusion in the known brand game console that's actually appalling.
The truth is Blu-ray's growth is tiny - it took a true 4.45% of the total movie disk market last year and is expected by the industry to take less than 7% this year.
That's minute for something once claimed to be 'the next DVD', something it can never be.
It simply cannot now grow fast enough to become the dominant movie media (no matter how much the CE & movie industry wishes it were otherwise).
Too many DVDs are still being bought & too many cheaper and more convenient alternatives are springing up fast for the mass-market.
The biggest problem high definition has is it's very obvious variable quality.
I've seen outstanding high definition on all formats
(.mkv encodes, HD TV, streaming, HD DVD and Blu-ray)
unfortunately I've also seen more than a few titles that are barely better than upscaled DVD.
We all have, why do people try to pretend otherwise?
It sure as hell isn't always 'amazing'.
The next biggest problem high definition (at a premium cost) has is that not every movie has a need for a high definition image or for that matter HD audio.
It sometimes is so wholly irrelevant to the viewing experience that it is meaningless & pointless.
Particularly to the youtube generation (now appearing on more and more HD TVs).
That's why I think high def ought to have been a low or no additional cost element of added value to sustain DVD sales.
The collectors could have swapped and everyone else could have bothered to access it if they chose (assuming something like the 'Twin Disk' became the industry standard).
By trying to make it such a central issue and trying to charge a big premium for it all the CE & movie industry have done is ensure the mass-market who, rightly, say that for them upscale is 'good enough' couldn't care less, not at those prices.
Well done guys!
You screwed yourselves out of an enormous fortune - and spent an enormous fortune doing it.
Greed is good, right?
LMAO.
The format has grown 4-5 times what it sold 2 quarters ago, that's faster than DVD or laserdisc ever did in a single half-year period. While I do agree with you that this premium pricing has hurt the format (I am very much against catalog titles running 25-30.00-it's hurting the format), I don't think your predictions will be very accurate and the format is going to do very well. You nay-sayers always comment on the negative press but never actually mention the poll numbers and the professional analyst predictions. If you go by the Harris poll, than you really are fools because have you known someone who does the Harris poll online? They give you chances to win big prizes for completing their surveys, and I know several friends who just click away just to get done with the survey without even reading the questions.
Let's see what happens when the players hit $99 and the studios start to drop the suggested retail price on the movies (which has happened already with over 200 titles from Warner, Fox and Paramount). I think you will need to revise your predictions.
Go BLU!
Just give up. You're spewing out the same anti-BD message in just about every thread. Just get over you HD-DVD loss and move on. BD is doing quite okay. Just get over it.
Here are charts for Blu Ray sales metrics in 2009 and 2008.
http://forums.highdefdigest.com/high-definition-smackdown/77119-2009-blu-ray-sales-metrics-stats-nielsen-videoscan-hmm-charts-ratios-bestsellers-etc.html
What is immediately obvious is that sales are around 2-3 times higher week on week than last year. As one might expect for a growing format. In fact cumulative sales for 2009 are probably only a month or two from exceeding last years total.
I'd also add (since some people conveniently ignore this every year) that the first half of the year is always the doldrums. Sales double or triple in the second half, especially coming up to Christmas. The reason for this is obvious - most of the blockbusters appear around that time and that's when the hardware discounts and new models turn up.
So it's utterly absurd to say blu ray is "flat on its back". The format is growing and will continue to grow. In fact I'm sure we'll see some disgruntled HD DVD fan whinging this time next year that sales are "only" 45 million or whatever it is that week, completely disregarding the year on year growth.
Yeah, as expected it never takes long for theusual couple of abusive haters to roll in
complaining and laughably bitter that Blu-ray did not take off as they had expected
and predictably sore that anyone dare say (and worse, prove) all is far from well in Blu-ray-land.
(and of course choosing to ignore every valid point made)
You can keep up the misinformation all you like but the fact that the mass-market has little or no interest is staring everyone in the face.
Spec geeks might find bit-rates and the rest incredibly essential but very few of the rest of society feel quite the same way.
Wake up.
This has nothing to do with the Harris poll and whether some people confused their upscaling DVD player for an HD DVD player.
This is about the dire lack of movie disk sales.
Forget the Neilson 'show Blu-ray in the best light' cherry-picked '% of the top 20 sellers' BS too.
Neilson is only good for telling us how much in $ was spent per week on Blu-ray
(and last week it was a pitiable $16 million, up from an even more pi$$-poor and derisory level of LESS than $8 million).
Spin those numbers positive fanboys, go ahead, I'd love to see you try.
The truth is Blu-ray took a mere 4.45% of the TOTAL retail video market last year
(as in fact engadgetHD reported from this link) -
http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6627437.html?nid=3511
This year the trade expects Blu-ray to take LESS than 7% of that TOTAL retail Video market -
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/8768baf0-59d5-11de-b687-00144feabdc0.html
(but no doubt we'll be treated to a blog comment or a forum comment somewhere random to prove the likes of the trade data wrong, eh?
LMAO)
Like I said, it's all far too little and far too late.
Blu-ray is going to stay a niche minority of the video market, usually at premium prices and as it has failed to penetrate the mass-market it's not going to be around for that long.
The Samsung guy said about 5yrs before it's replaced -
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/news.phtml/17399/samsung-blu-ray-5-years-left.phtml
Great if you understand this and accept it.
For those lying to themselves, or worse others, wake up and face reality.
Nobody is having to become a web/network master to stream, if you have a recent console or DVD player (yes, even some blu-ray players) and a wireless or cable set-up in place you're already there, one little click and you're sorted.
Did I repeat any of this previously?
Yeah, undoubtedly.
And what?
When I offer a my POV (with facts from the trade to back up) on relevant topics (in this case specifically asking what our views are) saying things aren't going great for BD it's bad...
...but you Blu-ray fans can roll in and repeat your ridiculously optimistic comments (with blog comments or forum comments to 'prove' you case, lol) and that's good?
Seriously, how does that 1 work?
You've just been shown stats which comprehensively demonstrate week on week sales going back through 2009 and 2008. Stats which demonstrate sales are 2-3x from this time last year and that culmulative sales are close to matching last year's total sales.
Your reaction? To start whining about "abusive haters". Grow up. Your precious format lost a full 18 months ago. Get over it.
Dude, what exactly do you hope to accomplish with your anti-blu campaign? Do you seriously think you are making any positive change? Do you think by your loyalty HD-DVD is going to come back from the dead? NO! You're pathetically negative about anything blu for one purpose only, to stir the crap. If you don't like blu-ray, then don't frakin buy them! Shut up about it already, ok? I'll enjoy my HDTV + blu-ray and you enjoy your HDTV + whatever floats your bubble...HD-DVD lost the format war, get over it, it's been over a year now, its not coming back....
Multiformat, your posts are really getting tiresome. Did you notice that a good majority of the people that answered this poll believe BD is a good thing?
Yes yes, I know that a poll like this can be said to not be representative but still, the people answering this poll is probably more educated than the average John Doe. So...
You talk a lot of streaming and other services of "equal quality". There is no service of equal quality. Streaming, downloading etc. is over compressed, crappy sound etc. and guess what, not everyon lives in the US or some equally priviliged region in terms of internet speeds.
I do no have cable, I'm happy if I get 5 MBps transfer rates on internet and that will not change in quite a few years.
An guess what, I as well as at least two third of my friends would still buy physical media because that's what we want because then we know what we get. No, oh sorry there was heavy load last night so we compressed the shit out of your favorite movie.
Anyway, I do not know why I write all of this. Multiformat is always going to find some spin to say how poorly BD is doing...sigh!
Yeah, there ya go.
Ignore the trade data I post.
Claim a blog comment 'proves' your case and
naturally throw in a bunch of ad hominem attacks.
Typical 7 entirely predictable Blu-ray fanboy tactics.
BTW the idea that a Blu-ray suporter should have the gaul to call anyone mentioning "haters" a whiner is hilarious, that's been one of your number 1 tactics (labelling those with a different POV as 'haters') since day 1.
You love to dish it out but you can't take it back.
Anyone who honestly imagines Blu-ray is demonstrating strong and healthy growth is laughably deluded.
They really ought to stop looking at their tiny group of similarly obsessed pals as if they are typical and representative of that 'mass-market'
(in which Blu-ray, for all the pro-gang's bluster, remains practically invisible).
Multi, if any one is running fan-boy tactics it's you (HD-DVD fan-boy that is).
Trade data? Ha, you pick links which have content that you want to hear. Most of that stuff is pure opinions like the Samsung crap.
Did you notice that one of the links states that BD trippled their sales during the period. Whoops, maybe linked to the wrong page Multi?
When you're working from such a low starting point a doubling or even tripling of sales is pretty meaningless without knowing specific numbers.
Afterall a 100% rise when you have only sold 2 items is still only 4 items sold.
Why do you think the BDA have always worked with relative % figures but almost never supplying raw data in the form of actual units sold?
It's obvious why they have played that game since day 1.
Giving independantly verifiable numbers punctures the illusion of big growth.
Sadly for the BDA after 3yrs of them talking up the BD growth it's gotten obvious they have been lying & it's just not happening.
It's obvious you can't stand to hear it but the only numbers that matter are 4.45% of the total video market last year and an expected share at less than 7% this year.
The rest is all your usual parroted misinformation, tediously weak fanboy jibes and a determined denial of the facts.
Keep spinning Multi, you seem to like it so much. Luckily you're in a minority.
I don't have to spin anything.
Blu-ray's annual share of total movie disk sales says a hell of a lot more than I ever could.
4.45% in 2008.
The trade expects less than 7% in 2009.
Pitiable.
If it's a "minority" you want to laugh about the minority Blu-ray share is pretty amusing, especially after all that blow-hard 'it's going to be the next DVD' BS they used to er treat us to.
The facts are that Blu-ray is being adopted faster than DVD was. Maybe the recession has slows things down some. But to make that the death knell of Blu-ray is irrational at best.
Eric, factor in 20+ million blu-ray capable PS3s and if Blu-ray is currently ahead (which we won't see until the final end-of-year stats come out) then it's growth is extremely feeble.
Factor in too a mass-market now well used to disk-based video media and it really is nothing like the same situation.
DVD at the end of it's 3rd year had sold 98 million units, the following year it ballooned to 182 million sales.
Blu-ray is nothing like close to being on course to grow that fast.
The Blu-ray fans have until the end of the year to pretend their sales performance is ahead, after that the excuses run out - and the PS3-rooted strategy is laid bare to all as a failure.
Blu-ray sold 63 million units last year and with the recession & their expected "less than 7%" market share this year it's unlikely in the extreme they'll hit 98 million this year - and that's a share of slowly declining total market remember, Blu-ray is not making up the difference as DVD sales slowly decline.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/8768baf0-59d5-11de-b687-00144feabdc0,Authorised=false.html?_i_location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ft.com%2Fcms%2Fs%2F0%2F8768baf0-59d5-11de-b687-00144feabdc0.html&_i_referer=
http://www.engadgethd.com/2009/01/08/blu-ray-moved-63-2-million-units-in-2008/
http://www.dvdinformation.com/industryData/index.cfm
Eric, Multi is never going to accept that his format (HD-DVD) lost and BD is doing quite well. He is going to spin those simple fact forever.
Yeah. of course.
I post up the data showing actual sales numbers for DVD & Blu-ray
(not the usual Blu-ray cheer-leader's cherry picked % BS)
and the best you can respond with is to ignore that and make some laughably feeble jibe that it's all really about HD DVD.
Jeez you ladies really are bitter that your believed format has driven into the sands so fast.
All that viral work for nothing.
I just hope they hurry up and release Heat before it all dies - although another round of high definition fire-sales will be fun.
LMAO!
Multi,
Refer to Krisjohn's earlier post and I think you'll see the attitude of most Blu-ray owners such as myself. No, I'm not "laughably bitter that Blu-ray did not take off as they had expected." In fact, I couldn't care less about sales numbers, market penetration or anything like that. You could be right, but I'm not going to invest the necessary time to find out because it doesn't matter to me. All that matters to me is that as a very happy Blu owner, I can watch pretty much every movie that comes out today as well as quite a few classics in the absolute best picture and audio quality available in the home today, bar none. Because of this, I don't have to obsess over statistics and sales numbers to make myself feel better. I enjoy watching movies in the best audio/video quality available. This is fun for me and I absolutely am happy with Blu. The end.
Really, I don't understand this obsession of yours. Live and let live. Relax and enjoy life. You should try it sometime.
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Who said I was talking to you, specifically?
If you enjoy your Blu-rays then fine. work away, I enjoy the ones I have.
But that was nothing even close to my point - or the poiint of this thread, for that matter .
This is supposed to be about how we see how things have gone & are developing for Blu-ray.
What I don't like to see (which is all too often here) is the very obvious misinformation, repeated lies & idiotic PR which always and without fail slams any story or POV that all is not going amazingly well in Blu-ray land and claims everything is in fact going incredibly well, better than any other new product ever did in fact.
It's garbage and an insult to our intelligence.
If you don't care about being lied to or having your perceptions manipulated, fine.
Some of us do.
I just can't work out how come you reckon my few moments typing & expressing a POV is "an obsession".
Is having contrary info to hand & telling the truth "an obsession" around your way or what - or maybe it's only those of us who come in to put a particular view that are "obsessed", huh?
Where's the equal comment aimed at the usual list of fans who roll in to say the same old same old supportive stuff every time?
What about their being "obsessed", huh?
S'funny how that sort of dig only ever gets aimed at one side in this, eh?
Free speech and expression - just so long as you agree, right?
Multi,
This is coming from a former HDDVD fanboy,
You're a whiny bitch!
Wow Tommy, personal attacks on the net.
Coooo, how incredibly big and clever of you (if you're about 3 - 5).
Pathetic.
You ask why you get labeled as obsessed. Look at the length, frequency, and tone of your comments.
Also, this is not a free speech issue. You, of course, have the right to say whatever you want. I have the right to say whatever I want. So does anyone who agrees or disagrees with either of us. I have the right to say "I don't understand this obsession of yours" and that in no way infringes on your free speech. Anyone can say what they want. It's one big happy interwebs.
I'm done.
Anyone reading the numbers find them to be a little fishy? Specifically, more people have Playstation 3s than they do Blu-ray players. WTF?
And notice, it doesn't say "standalone player", so the Blu-ray player number is underreported by far.
You can't say based on the economy blu-ray is doing fine. It's possibly quite the opposite. I would say that it's not because history has taught that people want more for their money during economic down turns. The low numbers show that blu-ray is not worth the costs to most people.
I WILL be getting Blu-ray in the fall. My local video store now has BRDs for all new releases that have them, so that too is nice. I agree prices are too high, even though I understand the costs involved with both the physical media and all the licensing fees. The box sets, while they're well done, $75 for The Matrix trilogy vs. $50 for the Planet Earth is puzzling since it has more discs yet is quite cheaper. I agree that BR won't take over DVD completely, but will Certainly be around a while longer.
-Brian