Microsoft outs educational, inspirational Windows 7 tour videos
By Laura June 
posted Jun 30th 2009 9:44AM
posted Jun 30th 2009 9:44AM
[Thanks, Alex -- via Neowin]
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Actually, I thought she was quite cute. You need to read something besides Vogue and 17 I guess.
Mr. Scruff Ninja Tuna??
fix what M$FT?
win7 IS the fix. and as someone who's use dit. it works.
go away troll.
this is not windows vista and mac is more about Advertising then Microsoft.
and this is a tour.
windows 7 beta was the most stable beta ever. thats amazing
"mac is more about Advertising then Microsoft"
Discounting the abuses here to the English language, plus the fact that I completely disagree with the point that you are trying to make, it will be interesting to see if/how Microsoft will market Windows 7. I think that we can all agree that Windows Vista's marketing was a complete disaster ("The Wow starts now"?) but did they learn from this? Only time will tell.
I think the advertising started some time ago with the public betas and the good feeling they engendered. This followed by the 'I'm a PC' and 'Laptop Hunters' campaigns have pushed the brand forward to the point where MS can afford to be much more relaxed about direct advertising.
"windows 7 beta was the most stable beta ever. thats amazing"
It's impossible to write software without bugs so having no bugs in a beta is an indication that the software has few new features. They could produce a completely stable beta by adding no new features at all. Would that be amazing as well?
@M$FT....
you are a troll
@Latika Kirtane
you are quite attractive:)
First of all, Richard, it is possible to write bug free code on the first try - it is just rare. Second, it was not bug free; perhaps you recall the most well known issue where MP3 files were being truncated by WMP. Third, most bugs have nothing to do with stability, and that it's an incredibly stable beta speaks to the better OS level exception handling and not to a lack of new features. If it crashed all the time, would it be the most feature-rich extension ever? No, it would be a piece of shit. There were plenty of random bugs in build 7000 with several of the new components (and some with the older systems) but none of the errors resulted in the system itself crashing.
Where's Windows 7 Tour Episode 1?
Windows 7 got OSX beat by a mile with media features since you can use a tuner to record shows. Apple will never have this. They can't even put a lousy tuner into any of their products. I'd have to buy an Elgato tuner device and use EyeTV software to get these features.
you mean Vista SPx?
sour grapes?
What's that supposed to mean? If your on the offense..........don't be offensive.
I'd hit it (for a free copy of win 7).
you'd hit a woodpile if you thought there was a snake in it
ohhh the win 7 it's so great with it's all cool james bond stuff and the box is just scream's buy me buy me i'm only 320 for ultimate version
its $99 for the professional version right now. The only difference is :
AppLocker
BitLocker Drive Encryption
BranchCache Distributed Cache
DirectAccess
Subsystem for Unix-based Applications
Multilingual User Interface Pack
Virtual Hard Disk Booting
...or are you just attracted to the world "Ultimate"?
oh yeah i love the word ultimate it describes me)))
That's quite a list, with some significant stuff actually, named with rather silly catchy names, but still.
Yeah...great video demoing search. Search already failed me when it refused to find the ._ files I needed to clean up from a transfer of data from my Mac to my Win 7 laptop. Show hidden files, find hidden files...Type ._ and watch all the ._ files that I could actually see just vanish from the search. I ended up having to boot to XP and have XP find them using the silly little dog search feature. Thanks, Microsoft. :)
Oh god I hate them files. YTF do Apple stick em all over your flash drives, it's just annoying when you go back to a Windows PC.
@deanb
If you know your way around Mac OS it easily lets you write files to disks *without* the metadata files...
Why they write them there normally is very logical, just like Windows creates annoying thumbs-files in each folder with photos in them. Unless you have a filesystem that supports hiding it away it's really quite common for operating systems to do this.
Sow how come Windows can get away with one thumbs file, yet Apple needs to make one for every file I make?
couldnt you have just used advanced search like in vista? i could've sworn that works exactly the same as the puppy search
"Product Manager for Internet Explorer"
FAIL FAIL FAIL
Exactly. You'd think that with a $6BILLION+ R&D budget that Microsoft could have produced a standards compliant browser in the last few years, but no. So far the only truly compliant browser in Safari 4, which I don't really like as a daily browser.
So, instead of firing the person responsible for the abomination known as IE, they let her do videos for Windows 7?
This is a perfect example of why Microsoft is not producing products I want to buy. Clearly they don't seen to think there is, or ever was, a problem with IE.
And yes, I spent three hours yesterday trying to trick IE 6 in to behaving in a compliant way...
"So far the only truly compliant browser in Safari 4"
I wish Opera would market better.
Standards compliant?
In reality nobody cares about ACID3 and other standards because every commercial application is written for IE first.
You want standards? It's called Internet Explorer, not what a bunch of academics decided to come up with. That's the reality of it.
Craig.
One word: Opera
You know, the browser that Apple likes to rip off its ideas from when it suits them.
Most recently, where do you suppose your speed dial came from?
AFAIK, Opera 9.64 gets an 85 on acid3, safari 4 gets 100, chrome gets 100 but fails the link test. IE 8 gets 20. Opera 10 apparently gets 100, but is currently not "gold"
So it's more proper to say "Webkit" than "Safari". My bad.
20 out of 100 for Mark's beloved IE.
Here's some current statistics for you (source w3schools):
IE7: 21.3%, IE6:14.5%, IE8:5.2%, Fx 47.7%, Chrome: 5.5%, S:3.0%, O:2.2%.
Other sites have IE as high as 65% and FF as low as 22%. No competent developer will ignore 22% of his or her potential customers.
Mark, your assertion that commercial apps are written first for IE is simply not true, at lease it's not true in the broad sense. If you narrow your focus to corporate America, then it probably is because corporate America is overwhelmingly Microsoft based, and corporate America does not compries the majority by volume of Internet traffic, or number of users. The reality is that most web devs develop according to the spec (Which Microsoft agreed to and participates in, BTW) and then add hacks to get it to work in IE 6 and IE 7.
Microsoft actually does what you Apple haters continually accuse Apple of (which as an agnostic I won't disagree with), and that is locking customers in to a platform. People get locked into IE, because it's DOM and CSS engines are fundamentally broken, when judged by the spec _that Microsoft agreed to_, and they have old applications that were written when IE had 95% share.
If Microsoft had any balls, and wanted to lead as opposed to locking its customers into an inferior platform, they would make their browser 100% compliant, and then compete on functionality, features, and performance. But that is not the Microsoft way, now is it? Nope, better to lock customers in to a substandard experience just to hang on to that customer for a little while longer. This strategy will not continue to work forever. Many large companies (5,000+ employees) have started rolling out Firefox as well as IE 7 on the desktops of new machines, because employees were installing it anyway. Also, while Mark may be correct in the narrow sense that corporations design for IE first, as a product manager I put in the spec that any web applications needed to function 100% on IE, Firefox and Safari (webkit based) browsers out of the gate. Engineering is free to develop the app however it likes, but when RC builds start getting to QA, they had better function properly in all browsers or PM isn't signing off on the release.
Honestly, if Microsoft followed the standards and had an equivalent firebug plugin (not Firebug lite) I'd have no problem simply using IE on my Windows boxes. My frustration is that if Microsoft wanted to make their browsers 100% compliant, they could do so easily. Since they don't I can only conclude that they don't care about their customers in that they don't feel the need to invest in a quality product.
oh crage shut tf off, IE is standard. do you know internet for half of web users just means internet explorer? you see internet=internet explorer
nobody do not give a shit about that tests even me as a pro feel satisfied with ie8, just sometimes for met art image browsing i use opera(because the fact of low ram and cpu usage of opera i can have 1000 open tab).
just look at chrome and firefox cpu and ram usage(safari is a joke in windows).
also i know this strategy will not work forever but now microsoft have not any other choice, yes they have a choice and thats releasing another browser for us. and then thats their dificult choice to split their browser share and have 2 different browser or stay in this way.
theres a force behind microsoft to do something that everyone can use. idont know why but my mother could not work with ff or opera.
im sure microsoft could make a browser like what mozila or google have in less than 1week if they want,be sure
also i know this strategy will not work forever but now microsoft have not any other choice, yes they have a choice and that's releasing another browser for us. and then that's their difficult choice to split their browser share and have 2 different browser or stay in this way.
there is a force behind microsoft to do something that everyone can use. i dont know why but my mother could not work with ff or opera.
I'm sure microsoft could make a browser like what mozilla or google have in less than 2week if they want to,be sure
....wow, an argument over another topic...well..sort of. , at least IE8 does basically better in the standards compliance than IE7.....despite some broken websites. Ah well. Art, if I were you, I would post, "The least she could do is improve IE8 more dramatically.".
I can't wait! I'm really curious of how much of these things are really true .. :)
No use spending time and money on guided tours... get her to fix IE8!!!
hehehe. I agree with you!
What's wrong with IE8?
@VampireHunter Z
How long have you got?
: ) Now that sounds better than the other post above the next post up.
We are not impressed.
Why are you speaking in first person plural? I believe you are only one person, with one opinion.
Hmmmm, I tried to reply to this thread, but it just created a new one... engadget really needs to fix their system
It could be that Kayhettin is the online personna of HRH Elizabeth II and therefore is using the Royal "we" (could be the Royal Wii, if she's hip like that).
@Kelmon- Could be. My apologies, your majesty.
speak for yourself, troll.
You can assume that you aren't original and that at any time ANY view you have is shared by tens of thousands of people worldwide, else polls would not work at all, and therefore you can theoretically always say 'we' when it's seen or heard by several tens or hundreds or thousands of people.
There are a few very rare exceptions, but I don't think we have to worry about that much, how many original thinkers are left really?
.....why? A polite reason would help and reduce amount of misinterpretations.
People need to get a life. Yes we all know you hate microsoft. That's nice. Giving them a chance might be as well. *shrug*
The second you give Microsoft a chance, they lock you in and you can't get away. They are like flypaper and you are a fly. They scoop you off into a tray and use you for their energy (ie: keep you buying the next version every two years and make sure that third party apps will never be as smooth as theirs. [Office using hidden APIs, etc.])
Andir, that's a pretty harsh accusation. Isn't the DOJ supposed to prevent things like that under their antitrust oversight? Do you have any proof of these hidden APIs?
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,1000000121,39364629,00.htm
Also look up the OOXML issues (including undocumented functionality for dates and proprietary tags):
http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-16529/ooxml-problems-in-75-slides
http://resources.zdnet.co.uk/articles/comment/0,1000002985,2114311,00.htm
You can also refer to this page:
http://undocumented.ntinternals.net/
Right, because heaven forbid a woman with a BRAIN that actually worked on the developement of the opperating system be used to demo it. If you need a hot chic fix, just download iHotestGirl on you beloved iPhone.
Not to be offensive or anything, but she is the product manager of Internet Explorer...
Thankfully a Product Manager != Developer
MS has some videos of actual developer women on their site I noticed, those aren't for the general public though it seems, they are meant to be viewed by types more involved in developing themselves and involved in system administration and such.
Thank you for:
-judging someone based on their looks instead of their criteria.
-claiming that Apple invented advertising
-judging people you don't know based on the company you work for.
Apple would be proud.
You know, I don't mind Engadget deleting lame comments, but it kind of screws up all the replies.
totally. Now no one will know why your post was so good!
They should just say, "Post deleted for content" and keep the structure
Yeah, now it looks like I'm replying to the article instead of that comment.
But to summarize: the above comment is for anyone who thinks Microsoft should have gotten a more attractive model for their ad, and/or that Microsoft "stole" Apple's advertising.
Agreed on the structure thing.
Maybe you haven't been paying attention to microsoft's ad campaigns, but Windows is for everybody...so using a pretty model is counter-productive to that message, eh?
Should they have gotten a one-eyed hunchback with a missing ear then?
We aren't?
Is it just me, or do the guided video tours from microsoft mimic the apple guided tours on their website?(Listen to the tone or the speed of her language, or the magnifying in the video to let something stand out)
Good presentation theory is pretty standard and this really is how this sort of thing ought to be done. Somehow I doubt that Apple was the first to use it.
yes and no. the problem here is you're assuming that format didn't exist until apple graced the world with it.
which is false.
I tried pointing that exact thing out and then I got voted down! And accused of being iPervert ;-)
Well, i guess you´re right. I mean i didn´t follow the history of advertisement after all. So if you say Apple didn´t invent it, i believe you. Although it is not so much far fetched that Apple did invent good advertisement. Or at least re-invented it :)
Good advertisement? It was like a political party broadcast, just point out what's wrong with the opposition.
Want good adverts look at Honda and Guinness, they know adverts.
Apples ads only represent insecurity as a company (I'm thinking Mac/PC ads here). Only a company that has no faith in its own product sees the need to attack its opponents. In fact, were it not for Apple's immature and repetitive advertising, I might like their products. As it is, I will never give them money until they stop behaving like the guy in middle school who made lame insults at everyone else because he had nothing better to offer.
@DeoWulf
Oh, no, no, no, no, no. As much as the pro-Windows community hates them, the "Mac vs. PC" are very good adverts designed to overcome the fact that, certainly up until the last couple of years, everyone associated a personal computer with something that ran Windows because that was all you ever saw. The "Mac vs. PC" are simply funny little sketches that inform the viewer that Windows is not the only option. And they worked. As they say, the best form of defence is attack and that's exactly what Apple did but in such a way that it doesn't seem like an attack, or is at least one that you can laugh about. I honestly don't think that this shows insecurity but rather an acknowledgement of the position that Apple was in (which, I will quite agree, they dug for themselves).
You might not like them but very rarely does Apple produce a commercial that doesn't achieve what it was supposed to.
"...Latika Kirtane -- Product Manager for Internet Explorer..."
There she is! Get her!
/angrymobwithburningtorches
Here, use these laser torches.
I prefer to use Natal simulation for witch-burning. Demo scheduled for August‚ delivery sometime in 2035.
Shameless self-promotion ensues!
I'm definatly looking forward to windows 7, but my god her voice is annoying
If you really want it you can get it for $45 right now. It is also the cheapest Windows yet...
just saying you cant put osx on any pc so it being $29 is not the point (its basically only an upgrade) and your pricing is wrong. to preorder win 7 home is 49.99 and professional is 99.99 (windows always had these prices so this should not be a surprise) i remember xp selling for around 200-300
Quit badmouthing Vista SP3. It should be really something!
Wait.......are you being sarcastic?
I just pre-ordered mine
love windows 7
I think they could have advertised DirectX 11 a little better in the third episode. Using the Halo 2, which was developed for the original Xbox (original Xbox being approximately Direct X 8.1) is not the best way of showcasing the new graphic technologies it supports, rofl. Just showing some clips of some old direct X 10 games like Crysis or World in Conflict would have been dramatically better.
Thing is that could of been Halo 3 running in DX11 though....
I thought the same thing, they could've used another game. I think those videos are pretty good considering the crappy/weird ads we've seen from Microsoft lately. It's simple and short.
Let me summarize Gjunkie's post so others don't waste their time like I did reading it:
"I'm an Apple fanboy. Vista sucked. Win 7 is slightly less sucky. OSX is way awesomer, and costs less."
actually, Windows 7 preorder is a hit. http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10274976-56.html?tag=newsLeadStoriesArea.1
Man can we have edit feature??
Inexpensive TV Tuner to watch cable TV? Educational Tutorial Fail.
And what the hell is "Play to" capable device?
From what I can tell it's pretty much most DLNA devices, just making "DLNA device" more user friendly to "Play On device"
They haven't quite been developed yet, but it's a device that can stream music and media straight from your PC. Possibly the Zune HD.
Interesting... It looks like it doesn't support multi casting but its a start. Good job MS! (minus the misleading part about the cable TV)
Any media center extender is a good example. You can basically play anything from your PC and it shows up on your extender. I assume we'll see more and better stuff like this in the future, like stand alone wireless networked speakers maybe?
This is why it is taking MS so damn long to come out with W7. They are watching and copying everything Apple does so they can have a MAC like experience on the pc(good luck). And Best Buy is waiting for W7 cause they need something new to generate sales of them fucking genric pcs laying around the warehouse and the show room floor. Sad that the pc vendors can't do up their own OS like Apple and row their own fucking boat.
So very sad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is the first time I've ever heard anyone say it's takin too LONG to come out with Windows 7. People mostly gripe how it's being rushed out the door after Vista.
Also, the general premise of your post is false, since W7 has been feature complete since December. All this time in between has been spent on bug fixes and distribution.
What? W7 came out in a short time period, at least compared to WVista. Why did you post the second sentence (do you hate windows/MS?)? The Taskbar may look like the Dock, but the design of the bar could also be based on Windows 2.0's window switcher; I don't know about the rest. I think the PC market is still solid and probably strong. Too many OS's can be problematic, especially from a casual cosumer's point of view. That's all I can say...