Seriously, you need to read a user's manual to understand copy & pasting in something like Windows Mobile. On the iPhone, you just take your fingers and do it. That's a heck of a leap forward.
Seriously, are you an iDiot, or do you just act like one for the sake of antagonizing others?
Copy/Paste on WinMo is EXTREMELY intuitive. All you have to do is hold down your finger over the text you want to select, then swipe it, then hit copy once you're done (which pops up automatically from a selection menu).
Alternatively, double-tapping either a word, sentence, or paragraph can also bring up the copy option. Paste is simply a matter of holding down your finger/stylus anywhere and waiting for the menu to come up, then selecting paste.
Maybe it's too difficult for iDiots to highlight text these days? Who knows?
@ Paul "Seriously, you need to read a user's manual to understand copy & pasting in something like Windows Mobile."
Wow, Paul... you must be a freakin' idiot. "Wait! Hold shift and drag over text? Wow, that was so complicated, I needed my company's IT guy to show me how to do it... and it''s *nothing* like one of the ways to copy and past text on a PC."
If you're going to be a fanboi, at least pick smart battles. Arguing that iPhone's copy and paste is "unique" or "innovative" just makes you look like an idiot and completely undermines any credibility you had for your other "arguments" on other topics (I know, I know... this presumes that Paul had any credibility to begin with)
Copy on paste on windows mobile is just as simple as iphone, drag and hold select copy. It's nothing revolutionary, apple haven't done anything revolutionary since the launch off the app store.
Let me ask you guys a simple question. Do you think a non-geek could watch this 30 second iPhone commercial and immediately remember how to copy & paste? Can we agree that that is possible?
Okay (assuming you agree), do you equally agree that a company like Microsoft could make a 30 second commercial that demonstrates copy & paste in WinMo and have people remember?
I think not.
It's not that the WinMo implementation is particularly hard (it's not if you really want to learn it), it's that the iPhone implementation is so easy that a four year old could do it. And that's why the iPhone sells.
How about the 15 seconds it takes to read WindowsFTW's post (since I know you didn't):
"Copy/Paste on WinMo is EXTREMELY intuitive. All you have to do is hold down your finger over the text you want to select, then swipe it, then hit copy once you're done (which pops up automatically from a selection menu).
Alternatively, double-tapping either a word, sentence, or paragraph can also bring up the copy option. Paste is simply a matter of holding down your finger/stylus anywhere and waiting for the menu to come up, then selecting paste."
My question was whether Microsoft could present their implementation of copy & paste in a commercial and have people remember how to do it. I've watched videos of copy & paste in WinMo and I couldn't tell you how to do it if my life depended on it.
I've watched Apple's copy & paste commercial twice (once on TV, once here) and I could remember how to do it after the first view.
Apple's implementation with copy & paste encapsulates the kind of wow people felt when Steve Jobs first demonstrated Safari Mobile. Personally, I had seen internet on phones before, but before Steve Jobs showed the iPhone's implementation, I had never really WANTED it on a phone, because WAP browsers sucked.
Apple version of copy & paste makes you WANT copy & paste. That's a huge difference.
My BB Storm had copy/paste out of the box, and it used touch to do it... Also, my older BBs had copy/paste, I held shift and highlighted the text...pretty basic, they've had it for a decade.
Truly, your comments do not dignify a response as they exemplify the epitome of trolling.
Nevertheless, pray, do tell, what is so apparently difficult about the WinMo implementation of Copy/Paste (I would wager you have never used it).
You want a 30 Second Commercial for WinMo Copy/Paste?
I'll Do it in half that time!
1. DRAG finger/stylus over text you wish to copy thereby highlighting it (THAT MEANS IT MAKES IT BLUE !!) 2. Then Hold Finger/Stylus over the highlighted text, a menu pops up, SELECT COPY! 3. To Paste, simply hold finger/stylus down anywhere, menu pops up again, SELECT PASTE!
Oh My God, who would've thunk it? Highlighting text allows you to copy it. Holding down finger somewhere gives you the option to paste it.
Stop the presses, we need to make a commercial now because people may forget that highlighting text highlights it for copy/pasting!
You guys keep ignoring the question. I didn't ask if it was easy for YOU. I asked if Microsoft could make a commercial that people could watch and remember the feature.
I know you're going to say "yes," but you know that's baloney. The fact is, swiping something with a finger can be remembered. The way copy & paste works in WinMo can not be demonstrated in a memorable way in a 30 second commercial. Do I think it can be remembered by a regular user. Yes. Do I think it can be remembered after watching a commercial. No. That's the argument.
First off, I'll definitely say that copy and paste should have been in the iPhone at 2.0 for sure. Not defending Apple on that one at all.
I am curious though, I've heard 2 things innovative about Apple's implementation that other smartphones apparently don't do:
1. Ability to copy and paste pictures from the web, photos app and such.
2. Ability to recognize the layout of a web page allowing the user to copy just the article column on a multi column website.
Is this true? If so, I could see that being something unique for now.
Also, the reason I cay Copy and Paste was needed in 2.0 and not 1.0 is due to the lack of 3rd party software in 1.0. Back then, data detectors worked well enough to not really need copy and paste right away. Receive an address in an e-mail, and just tap it to see it on a map. Receive a phone number, and tap it to call. It was enough to hide the lack of copy and paste for a little bit.
You can even cut/copy/paste on a non-touch screen version of WinMo.
That's something that is physically impossible to do on an iPhone (assuming that the touch input component ever stopped working one day).
Fast Forward to about 2:00. You wanted your 30 second commercial, you got it.
Furthermore, behold: MULTI-TASKING !
Copy from your web browser. Paste within a Word Document.
Once more, something that is impossible to do on the iPhone (you guys don't even have an Office suit capable of such feats...but that's for another debate).
@Paul: I took a look at the video you linked to, and I watched it, and I didn't need to replay the video to know how it works. Maybe you're a bit slower (that's not a bad thing), but I'm quite sure most people who watched that video probably didn't need to rewind it to see how it works again, because it's not the difficult if you can read a menu.
I also don't have too much experience with Windows Mobile phones, but it doesn't really seem that hard if you can read a menu. Sure, it's not as pretty looking as the iPhone's, but if you're literate you can understand how to copy & paste on a WinMo phone.
LOL at you guys who continue to perpetuate the myth that the iPhone doesn't do multi-tasking, when it has done multi-tasking from the beginning. You expect to be taken seriously?
And still, you guys are missing the big point. I concede the fact that you could make a commercial demonstrating copy & paste on Windows Mobile. The crux of my question is whether people would REMEMBER how to do copy & paste after watching such a commercial. The answer is no. Microsoft's implementation of copy & paste is not easy enough to remember without doing it repeatedly, while the Apple commercial is memorable after one viewing.
Wait... why wouldn't anyone remember the method WindowsFTW posted? It sounds pretty much identical to the iPhone method. I assume the "shift" method is what it used on non-touchscreen phones, but I'd imagine that people without touchscreens are used to using the buttons, no?
lol @ Paul Microsoft doesn't need a video because the first time you boot up there's a super short tutorial that explains copy and paste by having you do it once. I manage to still remember this even though I haven't owned a windows mobile device in years. Thus, only a complete and utter moron wouldn't be able to understand how to drag then tap/hold to copy, or to tap and hold for the paste.
And on the Palm Pre you don't have to fiddle with the edit menu since the actual phone has a keyboard where it's the menu button and c or menu button and p. How is that hard?
MOST (as in 90+%) of the WinMo phones sold on the market are Touch Screen devices. They all implement the exact same method of Copy / Paste as your precious iPhone -- the method I demonstrated to you 1 page back.
Highlight text with finger/stylus, then hit Copy on the pop-up menu. Hold finger / stylus elsewhere, menu pops up again, then hit paste.
IT REALLY IS THAT SIMPLE.
For the < 10% of the WinMo non-touchscreen phones (which are being phased out like theres no tomorrow), the method involves you hitting the Menu Key to repeat the procedure above using hard keys instead of your finger.
Paul your line about Apple making you WANT to copy and paste was the funniest thing I have read today. Thanks!
I think its funny how people argue about how intuitive things are, its only really intuitive if you know it, which, doesn’t sound really intuitive at all. OSX users may have an easier time with iPhones and Windows users may have an easier time with Winmo phones. Neither OS is intuitive, to argue that OSX is intuitive is ridiculous, I have some friends who I used to have to help with their computers all the time when they had windows, they both got Macs for school later on and their questions seemed to double. I’m not blaming this on OSX and saying its a terrible OS, just, its not intuitive, its just about what you are used to. The same could obviously be said about Windows, if you are used to OSX you may have a terrible time with windows, heck, between different versions of windows such as XP and Vista can be rather confusing, it just takes time. Saying that anyone can pick up an iphone and immediately know how to use it is ridiculous, like with anything, there is a learning curve. You need to spend time with it, when my coworker got her iphone she had so many questions. It all comes down to what you are used to and what you know.
Perhaps the reason Microsoft has not made a commercial dedicated to Copy-Paste is because it does not treat consumers like idiots who need to be walked through every step of their phone by a man with a friendly voice and some cute music.
@ Windows FTW Why are you even trying with Paul. Let him be with his iPhone in love wherever he wants, you'll get an ulcer. I've used Palm and WinMo devices for years and it has been thought as a basic feature for them. Your better off not arguing with a 12 year old and his JonasBros-filled-OCD-I'mAlways-right-you-will-never type of person. Your basically fighting with eric cartman http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xdvXbHQR2I&feature=PlayList&p=6B724D67B6D7A37F&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=23
@Paul That video is for the non touchscreen Windows Mobile phones. What do you expect without a touch screen? How about you compare the touchscreen Windows Mobile phones?
Lol well windows mobile is just as easy as the iPhone. Apple is late on the copy and paste and should have been in since the beginning. The iPhone copy and paste does have more feature though. I wish it had stacks like clippy. I just saved my email in the stacks to enter it anytime I needed instead of typing the whole thing out.
I think paul knows he's wrong and he's just going on and on because he is lol. It's alright just go make another username and no one will ever know it is you.
Paul, you have called Apple a sell-out, now you are calling Apple an Apple hater. If anybody says anything negative about Apple, then you label that person an Apple hater. You said that the iPhone has multi-tasking, and yet Apple themselves have said that the iPhone does not do multi-tasking. From the iPhone Human Interface Guidelines:
"Only one iPhone application can run at a time, and third-party applications never run in the background. This means that when users switch to another application, answer the phone, or check their email, the application they were using quits. If you are running an application such as AOL Instant Messenger on your iPhone, every time you receive a call or browse away from the application you would be signed out, you would lose any unread messages, and your conversations would end."
So if the iPhone has multi-tasking (you have claimed it to be true), and Apple says they do not do multi-tasking. Since anything contrary to the truith about Apple makes them an Apple hater, Apple is an Apple hater, QED.
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I love my iPhone, but this no way in hell qualifies for innovation.
It's innovation if you're used to this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVnYwTnrII0
Seriously, you need to read a user's manual to understand copy & pasting in something like Windows Mobile. On the iPhone, you just take your fingers and do it. That's a heck of a leap forward.
Listing the implementation of C&P on the 3rd generation of phone as a feature THEN making a commercial about it. That's innovation.
Imagine the 30-minute infomercial they'd shoot if they ever decide to make that battery removable...
"Imagine the 30-minute infomercial they'd shoot if they ever decide to make that battery removable..."
Alas, Billy Mays wasn't answering their calls.
Paul,
Seriously, are you an iDiot, or do you just act like one for the sake of antagonizing others?
Copy/Paste on WinMo is EXTREMELY intuitive.
All you have to do is hold down your finger over the text you want to select, then swipe it, then hit copy once you're done (which pops up automatically from a selection menu).
Alternatively, double-tapping either a word, sentence, or paragraph can also bring up the copy option.
Paste is simply a matter of holding down your finger/stylus anywhere and waiting for the menu to come up, then selecting paste.
Maybe it's too difficult for iDiots to highlight text these days?
Who knows?
@ Paul "Seriously, you need to read a user's manual to understand copy & pasting in something like Windows Mobile."
Wow, Paul... you must be a freakin' idiot. "Wait! Hold shift and drag over text? Wow, that was so complicated, I needed my company's IT guy to show me how to do it... and it''s *nothing* like one of the ways to copy and past text on a PC."
If you're going to be a fanboi, at least pick smart battles. Arguing that iPhone's copy and paste is "unique" or "innovative" just makes you look like an idiot and completely undermines any credibility you had for your other "arguments" on other topics (I know, I know... this presumes that Paul had any credibility to begin with)
lol paul you're an absolute idiot.
Copy on paste on windows mobile is just as simple as iphone, drag and hold select copy.
It's nothing revolutionary, apple haven't done anything revolutionary since the launch off the app store.
Let me ask you guys a simple question. Do you think a non-geek could watch this 30 second iPhone commercial and immediately remember how to copy & paste? Can we agree that that is possible?
Okay (assuming you agree), do you equally agree that a company like Microsoft could make a 30 second commercial that demonstrates copy & paste in WinMo and have people remember?
I think not.
It's not that the WinMo implementation is particularly hard (it's not if you really want to learn it), it's that the iPhone implementation is so easy that a four year old could do it. And that's why the iPhone sells.
Paul,
How about the 15 seconds it takes to read WindowsFTW's post (since I know you didn't):
"Copy/Paste on WinMo is EXTREMELY intuitive.
All you have to do is hold down your finger over the text you want to select, then swipe it, then hit copy once you're done (which pops up automatically from a selection menu).
Alternatively, double-tapping either a word, sentence, or paragraph can also bring up the copy option.
Paste is simply a matter of holding down your finger/stylus anywhere and waiting for the menu to come up, then selecting paste."
Ta-da.
My question was whether Microsoft could present their implementation of copy & paste in a commercial and have people remember how to do it. I've watched videos of copy & paste in WinMo and I couldn't tell you how to do it if my life depended on it.
I've watched Apple's copy & paste commercial twice (once on TV, once here) and I could remember how to do it after the first view.
Apple's implementation with copy & paste encapsulates the kind of wow people felt when Steve Jobs first demonstrated Safari Mobile. Personally, I had seen internet on phones before, but before Steve Jobs showed the iPhone's implementation, I had never really WANTED it on a phone, because WAP browsers sucked.
Apple version of copy & paste makes you WANT copy & paste. That's a huge difference.
My BB Storm had copy/paste out of the box, and it used touch to do it...
Also, my older BBs had copy/paste, I held shift and highlighted the text...pretty basic, they've had it for a decade.
Let it go Paul...you lose.
Paul,
Truly, your comments do not dignify a response as they exemplify the epitome of trolling.
Nevertheless, pray, do tell, what is so apparently difficult about the WinMo implementation of Copy/Paste (I would wager you have never used it).
You want a 30 Second Commercial for WinMo Copy/Paste?
I'll Do it in half that time!
1. DRAG finger/stylus over text you wish to copy thereby highlighting it (THAT MEANS IT MAKES IT BLUE !!)
2. Then Hold Finger/Stylus over the highlighted text, a menu pops up, SELECT COPY!
3. To Paste, simply hold finger/stylus down anywhere, menu pops up again, SELECT PASTE!
Oh My God, who would've thunk it?
Highlighting text allows you to copy it.
Holding down finger somewhere gives you the option to paste it.
Stop the presses, we need to make a commercial now because people may forget that highlighting text highlights it for copy/pasting!
I am now laughing even more at Paul, poor guy, LOL.
On Windows Mobile, once you realise that tap and hold brings the context menu up, everything is very intuitive because it works the same as on PC's.
When you first get a Windows Mobile device and it is customising for first use, there is usually a quick tutorial on how to do this.
You are a funny guy.
@Paul
"And that's why the iPhone sells."
No, the iPhone sells because idiot fanboys like you treat Apple like they could do no wrong.
You guys keep ignoring the question. I didn't ask if it was easy for YOU. I asked if Microsoft could make a commercial that people could watch and remember the feature.
I know you're going to say "yes," but you know that's baloney. The fact is, swiping something with a finger can be remembered. The way copy & paste works in WinMo can not be demonstrated in a memorable way in a 30 second commercial. Do I think it can be remembered by a regular user. Yes. Do I think it can be remembered after watching a commercial. No. That's the argument.
Flame me all you want, but you know I'm right.
First off, I'll definitely say that copy and paste should have been in the iPhone at 2.0 for sure. Not defending Apple on that one at all.
I am curious though, I've heard 2 things innovative about Apple's implementation that other smartphones apparently don't do:
1. Ability to copy and paste pictures from the web, photos app and such.
2. Ability to recognize the layout of a web page allowing the user to copy just the article column on a multi column website.
Is this true? If so, I could see that being something unique for now.
Also, the reason I cay Copy and Paste was needed in 2.0 and not 1.0 is due to the lack of 3rd party software in 1.0. Back then, data detectors worked well enough to not really need copy and paste right away. Receive an address in an e-mail, and just tap it to see it on a map. Receive a phone number, and tap it to call. It was enough to hide the lack of copy and paste for a little bit.
@Paul
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVnYwTnrII0
LOL.......
Wow, you linked to the same 2 minute video that I linked to. You are talented.
Pedro ;-)
That ought to shut that troll Paul up.
You can even cut/copy/paste on a non-touch screen version of WinMo.
That's something that is physically impossible to do on an iPhone (assuming that the touch input component ever stopped working one day).
Fast Forward to about 2:00.
You wanted your 30 second commercial, you got it.
Furthermore, behold:
MULTI-TASKING !
Copy from your web browser.
Paste within a Word Document.
Once more, something that is impossible to do on the iPhone (you guys don't even have an Office suit capable of such feats...but that's for another debate).
LOL that is what makes it so funny.
You post evidence against your own arguments.
Now that is talent....LOL
Even other Apple fans brand you an iTard, they should not cringe, just laugh at how absurd you appear be, just like everyone else does.
@Paul: I took a look at the video you linked to, and I watched it, and I didn't need to replay the video to know how it works. Maybe you're a bit slower (that's not a bad thing), but I'm quite sure most people who watched that video probably didn't need to rewind it to see how it works again, because it's not the difficult if you can read a menu.
I also don't have too much experience with Windows Mobile phones, but it doesn't really seem that hard if you can read a menu. Sure, it's not as pretty looking as the iPhone's, but if you're literate you can understand how to copy & paste on a WinMo phone.
LOL at you guys who continue to perpetuate the myth that the iPhone doesn't do multi-tasking, when it has done multi-tasking from the beginning. You expect to be taken seriously?
And still, you guys are missing the big point. I concede the fact that you could make a commercial demonstrating copy & paste on Windows Mobile. The crux of my question is whether people would REMEMBER how to do copy & paste after watching such a commercial. The answer is no. Microsoft's implementation of copy & paste is not easy enough to remember without doing it repeatedly, while the Apple commercial is memorable after one viewing.
@Paul
Wait... why wouldn't anyone remember the method WindowsFTW posted? It sounds pretty much identical to the iPhone method. I assume the "shift" method is what it used on non-touchscreen phones, but I'd imagine that people without touchscreens are used to using the buttons, no?
lol @ Paul
Microsoft doesn't need a video because the first time you boot up there's a super short tutorial that explains copy and paste by having you do it once. I manage to still remember this even though I haven't owned a windows mobile device in years.
Thus, only a complete and utter moron wouldn't be able to understand how to drag then tap/hold to copy, or to tap and hold for the paste.
And on the Palm Pre you don't have to fiddle with the edit menu since the actual phone has a keyboard where it's the menu button and c or menu button and p. How is that hard?
Read the post Paul, nobody thinks copy & paste is innovative in 2009. You do make your point though - it is a nice commercial.
No Paul.
Get this through your thick, obtuse head.
MOST (as in 90+%) of the WinMo phones sold on the market are Touch Screen devices.
They all implement the exact same method of Copy / Paste as your precious iPhone -- the method I demonstrated to you 1 page back.
Highlight text with finger/stylus, then hit Copy on the pop-up menu.
Hold finger / stylus elsewhere, menu pops up again, then hit paste.
IT REALLY IS THAT SIMPLE.
For the < 10% of the WinMo non-touchscreen phones (which are being phased out like theres no tomorrow), the method involves you hitting the Menu Key to repeat the procedure above using hard keys instead of your finger.
Paul your line about Apple making you WANT to copy and paste was the funniest thing I have read today. Thanks!
I think its funny how people argue about how intuitive things are, its only really intuitive if you know it, which, doesn’t sound really intuitive at all. OSX users may have an easier time with iPhones and Windows users may have an easier time with Winmo phones. Neither OS is intuitive, to argue that OSX is intuitive is ridiculous, I have some friends who I used to have to help with their computers all the time when they had windows, they both got Macs for school later on and their questions seemed to double. I’m not blaming this on OSX and saying its a terrible OS, just, its not intuitive, its just about what you are used to. The same could obviously be said about Windows, if you are used to OSX you may have a terrible time with windows, heck, between different versions of windows such as XP and Vista can be rather confusing, it just takes time. Saying that anyone can pick up an iphone and immediately know how to use it is ridiculous, like with anything, there is a learning curve. You need to spend time with it, when my coworker got her iphone she had so many questions. It all comes down to what you are used to and what you know.
Perhaps the reason Microsoft has not made a commercial dedicated to Copy-Paste is because it does not treat consumers like idiots who need to be walked through every step of their phone by a man with a friendly voice and some cute music.
@ Windows FTW
Why are you even trying with Paul. Let him be with his iPhone in love wherever he wants, you'll get an ulcer. I've used Palm and WinMo devices for years and it has been thought as a basic feature for them. Your better off not arguing with a 12 year old and his JonasBros-filled-OCD-I'mAlways-right-you-will-never type of person. Your basically fighting with eric cartman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xdvXbHQR2I&feature=PlayList&p=6B724D67B6D7A37F&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=23
Paul...you're an idiot.
The implementation on the iPhone is the EXACT same as WinMo!
Highlight...select copy....find place to copy....paste
Have you not used a computer before???
You're really slow dude.
@Paul
That video is for the non touchscreen Windows Mobile phones. What do you expect without a touch screen? How about you compare the touchscreen Windows Mobile phones?
Lol well windows mobile is just as easy as the iPhone. Apple is late on the copy and paste and should have been in since the beginning. The iPhone copy and paste does have more feature though. I wish it had stacks like clippy. I just saved my email in the stacks to enter it anytime I needed instead of typing the whole thing out.
I think paul knows he's wrong and he's just going on and on because he is lol. It's alright just go make another username and no one will ever know it is you.
Paul, you have called Apple a sell-out, now you are calling Apple an Apple hater. If anybody says anything negative about Apple, then you label that person an Apple hater. You said that the iPhone has multi-tasking, and yet Apple themselves have said that the iPhone does not do multi-tasking. From the iPhone Human Interface Guidelines:
"Only one iPhone application can run at a time, and third-party applications never run in the background. This means that when users switch to another application, answer the phone, or check their email, the application they were using quits.
If you are running an application such as AOL Instant Messenger on your iPhone, every time you receive a call or browse away from the application you would be signed out, you would lose any unread messages, and your conversations would end."
So if the iPhone has multi-tasking (you have claimed it to be true), and Apple says they do not do multi-tasking. Since anything contrary to the truith about Apple makes them an Apple hater, Apple is an Apple hater, QED.