Rogers rolls out 50Mbps DOCSIS 3.0 service, 802.11n router
By Donald Melanson 
posted Jul 9th 2009 2:46PM
posted Jul 9th 2009 2:46PM
Well, it looks like Canadians no longer need to be envious of some of the speedy internet options available south of the border, as Rogers has just announced the roll-out of its own DOCSIS 3.0-based service that matches the likes of Comcast's offering. As you might expect, however, coverage is limited to the Greater Toronto Area to begin with, although Rogers is promising that it'll be rolled out to some other, yet to be specified areas in the "coming months." What's more, Rogers is also introducing a new 802.11n router alongside the service, and it's even giving one away to the first fifty customers that sign up for the Ultimate service (priced at $150 per month). After those are gone (and some do indeed still seem to be available), the router will sell for $200.
[Via Electronista]
[Via Electronista]
Good new for women everywhere!
Comcasts FIOS service?
Good job engadget...
Nice one! That's the first thing I thought, too. But no one else seems to have caught on...
What? The fastest and most reliable Period?
Ohaahahahahaha!!
Still a 60GB cap...
I would have been sorely disappointed if the first comment hadn't been about that. Surely the Rogers team noticed?!
Have an upvote!
I was scrolling through the articles and had to look twice.
I think the top down view of the mouse is what does it.
News*
$200 router, Apple EXTREME Base Station is cheaper!
It's a DOCSIS 3.0 modem AND router.
The extreme base station is 199 Canadian dollars, exactly like this router, so no, it's not more expensive:
http://store.apple.com/ca/product/MB763AM/A/AirPort-Extreme?mco=NDk1NDk1MQ
Since when does Comcast have FiOS ? What am I missing with that comment? Verizon is FIOS - all fiber optic connection. Comcast is still using decades old copper. Help me out here guy.
Cable and Fiber companies aren't too different. Where the Fiber starts are at almost the exact same points in most cases it's just the cable companies don't have the backbone...
comcast uses fiber to the local node, then it is copper the rest of the way.
FIOS uses fiber all the way to your home (they install a box) then switch it to copper to the end point (i don't know why they don't use a fiber cable to the modem, but whatever).
also the backbone of the cable companies is less then Verizon, so fiber or not, its just not as fast (I believe I read some were it is because they are running some legacy TV signal over the same pipe...but im not sure)
"i don't know why they don't use a fiber cable to the modem, but whatever"
Wouldn't it be because fibre is expensive and if you've gotta run it in and around the house to get it to where it needs to be, coax is going to end up being cheaper.
"Platinum skeet" is a clueless idiot who is talking out of his ass.
Cable companies have a hybrid fiber-coaxial network where they use highspeed fiber-optic cable as a backbone that runs to an endpoint in each neighborhood. This could be called "Fiber to the node" or "fiber to the neighborhood" service. The endpoint is inside a large utility box that houses switching equipment that connects the fiber backbone to the copper coaxial cable network that is run to individual homes in the area. While speeds are relatively low, this isn't a problem. However, DOCSIS 3.0 can support a maximum speed of about 400mbps down and 160mbps up for THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD. Since most people have low connection speeds of 3-10mbps and are not constantly pushing it to the maximum, this shared bandwidth is enough. However, if you have a few dozen heavy users in your neighborhood buying 50mbps service, then the whole neighborhood is going to get screwed. Of course the company's have mechanisms to mitigate this to some degree, but the problem is there and it is going to become a big issue as more people keep Upgrading to faster connections.
True "fiber-to-the-home" offerings like that of Verizon's FIOS have the fiber-optic cable literally drug to each individual house in a given neighborhood -- Thus there is no bandwidth-limiting copper choke point at all. As soon as the data gets through the Fiber-optic terminal hooked up in your garage, it will travel on fiber all the way up the major backbones. In fact, the fiber optic connection is easily capable of speeds far faster than your 100mbps ethernet router in your house. Active GPON fiber speeds are capable of going over 1.0Gbps! Services like FIOS are future-proof to a much higher degree than cable, and as more users in a neighborhood move to fast 20,30,50,100mbps speeds, there is no need to worry about saturating the connection.
Perhaps they don't run the fiber around your house in case someone cuts through it, looks at it and then BOOM blind.
Comcast's FiOS service??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!11111111111111
...Verizon has FiOS. Comcast has cable.
Shaw Cable in Canada released 100Mbps service quite a few months ago, I think it's only in Saskatoon though, I hope it comes to my Area soon. I have the 25Mbps with Shaw now and it is awesome, I would even take the 50Mbps from Rogers but they are only in Ontario.
How much is the up speed?
Shaw's Nitro package in Saskatoon is 100mbps down and 5 mbps up for $250 /mo. I spoke with Shaw a couple days ago and one of the agents had noted that the price is likely to drop once they deploy it in the west (British Columbia) in a couple of months.
Novus in downtown Vancouver already has 50 down / 10 up for $180 / mo and it is FIOS not Shaw Cable.
Videotron has been offering the same service in montreal, for half the price
Ahhhh rogers...
Videotron's service is a marketing ploy, not a practical service.
1) You get 1mbit of upstream, which is laughably insufficient for 50mbit of downstream. You'd fully saturate your upstream with ACK packets just downloading something. In fact this is the absolute minimum required upstream to even download at 50mbit; any lower upstream and your downstream bandwidth would be capped.
2) They include a tiny 100GB cap. Admittedly this is better than the 50GB cap that this service had for a long time, but this still means that you can only use your connection at full speed for about TWO HOURS A MONTH before you run out of bandwidth and start incurring $34/hr bandwidth overage fees
3) $80/mth isn't cheap! Just because it's cheaper than Rogers doesn't mean that it's still expensive.
actually, if you'd go to the via link, you'd see that the service offered by videotron is pre-3.0 DOCSIS. rogers is offering full DOCSIS 3.0 here.
yeah the up is a joke, as is the cap
it is expensive yes im not here for a flame war, just pointing out that you gotta be layers of "wtf" to make quebeccor look respectable :P
(btw im not an uber egghead whats the diff between pre-docsis anddocsis?)
Videotron is Quebec only though, froggy. [biggrin]
thats IT were seperating! [angry10]
[trum]
F-ing Vidéotron is a TOTAL JOKE, they put so many restrictions on it that the only thing you can do with the service is complain about it. Grrrrrrrrrrr Vidéotron, grr.
More throttler ;)
The reality is that pretty much all major metropolitan area are using fiber optics. All FIOS does is take it to your house. Comcast is all fiber optic in Houston. Just the last segments to the home or apartment is copper. If it was all copper, they would have ran out of capacity years ago.
yea 50Mbps but throttled, also it doesn't mention anything about the bandwidth cap(all rogers speed tiers are capped) or the upload speed
Comcast DOES use fiber optics:
http://www.comcast.com/fiber-optic/default.html?CMP=KNC-1TO120080401GOOGLE6
Engadget either messed up ROYALLY, which is how it looked, or they were simply referring to Comcasts network in a strange confusing way.
FiOS is a brand name, not a technology. The technology behind FiOS is GPON, not DOCSIS which is used by Comcast and all other cable Internet providers.
Yes, but there were people above saying that Comcast doesn't use fiber, only copper. Not true. My thought was that Engadget might have assumed Fios was some sort of shortened version of Fiber Optics.
I also got confused with the "Comcast FiOS" lol
Also, does anyone know why Bell dramatically reduced their Bandwidth usage for their plans? Thank god my plan (Max 10) has 100GB usage, but Max 16 I'm looking at seems to have 75GB max and there's no Max 10 on their page anymore? WTF are they gimping their service?
If you're on bell, you'd be better off to switching to a 3rd party like TekSavvy. It's only 5Mbps, but for half the price, give you the option of either 200GB/m or true unlimited (because it's on a different backbone and has an added ~30-40millisecond delay per packet).
$150 a month?!?
Finland, cable 110Mbps 44.90€/month first 12months, then 55.90€/month.
No throttler or caps.
50Mbps is like 2MB per second.
I couldn't care less.
err more like 6 MB/s
Math FAIL!
50mbit = ~6MB/sec
When do we get 50MB/s?
stupid message board sorry for double post.
@Andy Gratton and miles
Double Fail
to convert connection speed into download speed divide the connection speed by 8. 50/8 = 6.25
Miles @ Jul 9th 2009 3:16PM
When do we get 50MB/s?
When we get 400Mb/s
maybe engadget should be reporting that Bell/Aliant has announced it will be bringing fiber to the home to the cities of Fredericton and Saint John New Brunswick as a trail and the first whole cities in Canada to get FTTH
http://bellaliant.ca/english/news/view_art.asp?id=1888
$150/month HAHAHHAHAHAHAH LALOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL omg yea, *tear* that's a great joke, you guys need a TV show.
$150 canadian even, not that fake money obama has printed :)
Yep...speed at the price of gold.
Was I the only one to initially think that this was for a high speed mouse?
Nope.
same here.
Probably - everyone else thought it was for a high speed feminine pad.....
Ridiculous price and probably just as ridiculous cap! But then again, it's Rogers. I'm not one bit surprised.
holy SHIT @ $150/month
and what's the point if it's all throttled?
The point is they can charge suckers who pay $60/month for it right now even more money for the same shitty product with the same cap.
Just got off the phone with rogers
$150 CDN a months for a lousy 150gb cap --- for 3 times the price of my 10 mbps service with 95gb cap I would expect that I would get AT LEAST 3 x the cap...sadly Rogers does not seem to agree
actually If I am paying for 5x the speed why am I not getting 5 x the bandwidth !!!!
150gb lol... sad... what is the upload capped at? It's 1mbit upload cap on my Rogers Hi-Speed Extreme service... this new docsis 3.0 service better be at LEAST 5mbit upload...
Personally, I'm digging my 100Mb through Telus at my condo. :) Rogers AND Bell suck. fboots knows. :)
This is why Canada sucks... Bell and Rogers collusion.
http://www.rgbfilter.com/?p=945
Hell, they even use the same blue/red couch motif in their 'competitive' ads. Rogers lowers its home phone price by up to $25, Bell lowers its sat TV prices about the same. Customers switch and still have to deal with one or the other.
@Alan
I know where you live now!!! =P
*cough* Concord Cityplace in Downtown Toronto *cough*
lulz. A lot of engadgetees in this thread seem to. :)
† No, not really.
@Andy Gratton and miles
Double Fail
to convert connection speed into download speed divide the connection speed by 8. 50/8 = 6.25
what the hell?
I've got uncapped, unthrottled, DSL service in Toronto and I love it. It sure as hell isn't Rogers.
Rogers and Bell need to get their heads out of their respective asses.
I'm paying $99/mo for my 22/5 Comcast Docsis 3.0 on a business acct w/ 5 static IPs. No throttling/shaping, servers OK. $189 if I wanted 50/10. Actual bandwidth tests usually show I'm getting 30+/6+. Love it!
The Fastest and Most Reliable Waste of Money. M'I Rite?
I got a 100MB connection in downtown toronto and only pay $29.99 per month with no caps.
Rogers prices are a joke. Tell me aboot it!
You're in CityPlace, aren't you?
Man, I miss that place -- I simply can't find service like that at any price.
how? with who? link please!
thnx
http://www.mytelus.com/cityplace/internet.vm
Agreed. Living at Cityplace has its perks! :)
50Mbps DOCSIS 3.0 service is already available in Quebec from Videotron for half that price! 80$/month
http://www.videotron.com/service/internet-services/internet-access/ultimate-50
In reference to above re FTTH..there is no need to run fibre throughout your house. With a 1 Gbps switch and plain vanilla Cat6 (read: copper) cables you have speeds far greater than the 50 or 100 Mbps coming into your house. That fibre is used to aggregate traffic from many houses.
regular cat5 / cat5e will do too in most cases for home use.
What I don't get is how web hosting companies give you 2tb of bandwidth and a shared 10mb or 100mb pipe up/down for a few bucks. Same thing applies to them as ISP's, most people will never even come close to busting their cap. But its there... ISP's need to quit nickle and diming. They have way more clients than web hosts, and on top of that, they're clients for life. How can that not drive the price down. bs bs bs.
Yeah, 50Mbps at $149 per month. Typical Rogers.
My girfriend has a one-up on these guys. Her period's fast reliable and free!
Nice! :D
Combination Wireless Router/Modems are bunk and usually don't allow for many configuration options.
Looking at the picture, I thought it was a mouse!
Hong Kong has had 100Mbps to households for the past 5 years or so; and now has 1000Mbps option available to 90% of households.
Hong Kong FTW
We rock, you suck, live with it :-)
Is Hong Kong censored. I'm not trying to insult you just wondering.
I live in Toronto (Canada) and am loving my 100MBps unthrottled / unlimited meter internet to my condo.... :D
http://www.mytelus.com/cityplace/internet.vm
Too bad you have to live in Cityplace to receive the access... ;)
Still paying $40 a month for 1.5Mb down/ 512Kb up in Wisconsin :(
Can anyone recommend a good DOCSIS 3 Built-in Firewall and Router?
I have seen the SonicWALL but don't know if it's any good.
I already tried:
1. CISCO SMB|RVL200 VPN 4PT R
2. LINKSYS BEFVP41 VPN 4-PRT
And the speed fluctuates on bothe of them Down 30Mbp/s Up 5Mbp/s
When I should be getting Down 50+ Up 10+.
Thanks,
Any help would be greatly appreciated!