It is unfair that ANYONE has to grow up in China, that place is terrible. The US gets criticized more for torturing terrorists than China does for torturing innocent teenagers. I wish the UN had the legs to address these types of issues it is really sad...
No one criticizes China because when they do, Beijing only has one answer, "Fuck you, mind your own business".
On the other hand, the US and European countries have self-depricative pity parties whenever someone launches a justified or most often, a false criticism at them.
It's just like back in 4th grade. People pick on us because we react the way they want. If Obama told the critics of the USA, "Fuck you, do something about it." There would be much less negative press about the USA because it would be pointless and people would lose interest when they realize all efforts are fruitless.
Do you get your news from any sources other than liberal sensationalist blogs? Do you realize China is one of the 5 nations that lead the UN? Do you realize that most people in China live relatively peaceful, happy, normal lives in which they are free to fret over trivial shit like whether or not to get that two-tone leather interior--much like yourself?
The reason that the US and UK criticise themselves when allegations of torture or mistreatment arise is because we are free to decide that these practices should not take place in our name. Would you really have your leader deny you this right?
So when a group of parents in China sends their kids to these camps, the whole country is "terrible". But when a group of people join Scientology to be subjected to similar treatments, its just the Scientologists that are loony. All the news here regarding China is reported with a negative edge, and the whole country is always to blame. This is ONE crazy doctor, why is it necessary to denounce the entire country? It must be an ego thing.
At least in China one can walk on the sidewalk without worrying about being shot, the people are hardworking and friendly, and there are no patronizing racist asshats asking me to make an egg roll while they cut me off on my bike in their SUVs, flashing their middle finger.
@Matt:Funny thing, that. I remember that's how Bush treated his critics. Now how far has that gotten us? I think we're still recovering from the fallout from that one.
Less than 20% of China's population (1.3billion) lives in urban areas, that leaves 80% of China's population rural. 60% China's rural population is living below the poverty line. 60% of 1.3billion is 780million. So, means a population roughly double the size of the US lives in poverty. I wonder how many of them even know what you mean by "two-tone interior".
China leads absolutely nothing when it comes to the UN. They supply less that 3% of the UN's budget compared with the US at 22%, Japan at 17%, UK at 7%. China plays a role similar to that of Mexico when it comes the UN, strong-arming good ideas whenever possible. Next time come strapped with facts before you start sensationalizing your own argument.
@bigcow05
"Chinese President Hu Jintao, who returned home to deal with an outbreak of ethnic violence." - 140 Chinese people were killed July 10th after an ethnic battle broke out in Urumqi.
Just like Joe clearly don't understand what kind of fear the people of China live in everyday. Maybe they won't get shot (Tiananmen Square) but they surely have a high probability of being beaten or clubbed to death.
Well you sort of proved my point. All the talk about Uilghurs being attacked by Chinese soldiers and 156 dead in the recent riots, very few news sources actually mention that 140 of the dead were Han Chinese. Instead, this fact is included at the very bottom of articles, or not mentioned at all at an attempt to make the reader believe that all or most of the dead were Uilghurs, and that the aggressors were the Chinese government.
There is a very low crime rate in China, especially in metro areas.
You don't need to tell me what it is like to live there, I have lived there for years. Most people don't live in fear of a government that has pulled hundreds of millions out of poverty and provided the country with modern infrastructure and educations standards, they live in spite of a century of Western exploitation (Opium Wars, Japanese invasion, how the US helped Japan and Korea rebuild their economies after the war while leaving China in abject poverty), revolution (Great Leap Forward) and they want to make sure that their children can grow up in an world where they will have opportunities to pursue their dreams. There are certain classes who have benefited more from the economic expansion, but if the government were democratic, or if there had been a revolution, progress would have been much slower (India, Russia). The Chinese government itself has said that it may change systems once China is more developed. Of course the media here wants to paint a completely different picture (..but a democratic system in which big company lobbyists can dictate policy, bring the whole economy to the ground, and suck it dry while the people suffer is PERFECT! USA! USA!). BTW what do you mean that they have a high chance of being clubbed to death? How high of a chance? And why would they be clubbed?
I knew that it was the Han who were attacked first. But you still don't seem to understand. Why is ANYONE being attacked at all? Why is there such a problem in such a peaceful country?
I'm glad that less than 20% of China benefits from a decent crime rate. However, if you truly lived in China for MANY years then you would know that that is utter bull shit. China absolutely does not report or keep track of all the domestic violence and crime and it never will. China keeps its doors closed for a good reason.
The only time the media gets access is when an uncontrollable event hits the ground before Hu and the other Red Army have time to cover it up.
Everything else you said was too outlandish to even address so I'll let it die just like all the REAL PEOPLE sacrificed to bring China to where it is today economically... you are sick.
No, I know it's not utter bullshit because while in the past year my aunt's friend was killed by a gang because one of their guys was caught by him to be shoplifting at Wal-Mart, and have had a crackhead walk into my apartment and take my stuff, not once during my stay in China have I encountered such craziness. Your claim that its "unfair that anyone has to grow up in China" makes me wonder.
Sure, many people have died in the course of Chinese history at the rule of the Chinese govt. I'm not going to defend the great leap forward and Tiananmen because they were completely reprehensible. Western exploitation, which continues today, has been just as profound to China and many other countries. But I still don't see how it is "unfair that anyone has to grow up in China," especially in the China of today, and especially given in the context of the article in which there children were sent to these camps voluntarily by their parents.
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It is unfair that ANYONE has to grow up in China, that place is terrible. The US gets criticized more for torturing terrorists than China does for torturing innocent teenagers. I wish the UN had the legs to address these types of issues it is really sad...
whaaaaa.....
No one criticizes China because when they do, Beijing only has one answer, "Fuck you, mind your own business".
On the other hand, the US and European countries have self-depricative pity parties whenever someone launches a justified or most often, a false criticism at them.
It's just like back in 4th grade. People pick on us because we react the way they want. If Obama told the critics of the USA, "Fuck you, do something about it." There would be much less negative press about the USA because it would be pointless and people would lose interest when they realize all efforts are fruitless.
Do you get your news from any sources other than liberal sensationalist blogs? Do you realize China is one of the 5 nations that lead the UN? Do you realize that most people in China live relatively peaceful, happy, normal lives in which they are free to fret over trivial shit like whether or not to get that two-tone leather interior--much like yourself?
@Joe When you actually go to China, travel all over the country and witness everyday citizens lives then you can report your findings.
LMAO you obviously haven't been to China. I lived/worked there for 2 years and most people (80%+) live in abject poverty.
I do suppose they don't have to worry about some things though....like self determination or who to vote for.
I love how some people love to come to their own preconceptions without any research or personal investigation.
The reason that the US and UK criticise themselves when allegations of torture or mistreatment arise is because we are free to decide that these practices should not take place in our name. Would you really have your leader deny you this right?
So when a group of parents in China sends their kids to these camps, the whole country is "terrible". But when a group of people join Scientology to be subjected to similar treatments, its just the Scientologists that are loony. All the news here regarding China is reported with a negative edge, and the whole country is always to blame. This is ONE crazy doctor, why is it necessary to denounce the entire country? It must be an ego thing.
At least in China one can walk on the sidewalk without worrying about being shot, the people are hardworking and friendly, and there are no patronizing racist asshats asking me to make an egg roll while they cut me off on my bike in their SUVs, flashing their middle finger.
^^^^^^ You Sir, are Brilliant!!! Love it, perfect depiction of the States. Now, could you please make me an egg roll?
@Matt:Funny thing, that. I remember that's how Bush treated his critics. Now how far has that gotten us? I think we're still recovering from the fallout from that one.
@Joe
Less than 20% of China's population (1.3billion) lives in urban areas, that leaves 80% of China's population rural. 60% China's rural population is living below the poverty line. 60% of 1.3billion is 780million. So, means a population roughly double the size of the US lives in poverty. I wonder how many of them even know what you mean by "two-tone interior".
China leads absolutely nothing when it comes to the UN. They supply less that 3% of the UN's budget compared with the US at 22%, Japan at 17%, UK at 7%. China plays a role similar to that of Mexico when it comes the UN, strong-arming good ideas whenever possible. Next time come strapped with facts before you start sensationalizing your own argument.
@bigcow05
"Chinese President Hu Jintao, who returned home to deal with an outbreak of ethnic violence."
- 140 Chinese people were killed July 10th after an ethnic battle broke out in Urumqi.
Just like Joe clearly don't understand what kind of fear the people of China live in everyday. Maybe they won't get shot (Tiananmen Square) but they surely have a high probability of being beaten or clubbed to death.
@chrisdaltas:
Well you sort of proved my point. All the talk about Uilghurs being attacked by Chinese soldiers and 156 dead in the recent riots, very few news sources actually mention that 140 of the dead were Han Chinese. Instead, this fact is included at the very bottom of articles, or not mentioned at all at an attempt to make the reader believe that all or most of the dead were Uilghurs, and that the aggressors were the Chinese government.
There is a very low crime rate in China, especially in metro areas.
http://www.abcarticledirectory.com/Article/China-s-Crime-Rate/71537
You don't need to tell me what it is like to live there, I have lived there for years. Most people don't live in fear of a government that has pulled hundreds of millions out of poverty and provided the country with modern infrastructure and educations standards, they live in spite of a century of Western exploitation (Opium Wars, Japanese invasion, how the US helped Japan and Korea rebuild their economies after the war while leaving China in abject poverty), revolution (Great Leap Forward) and they want to make sure that their children can grow up in an world where they will have opportunities to pursue their dreams. There are certain classes who have benefited more from the economic expansion, but if the government were democratic, or if there had been a revolution, progress would have been much slower (India, Russia). The Chinese government itself has said that it may change systems once China is more developed. Of course the media here wants to paint a completely different picture (..but a democratic system in which big company lobbyists can dictate policy, bring the whole economy to the ground, and suck it dry while the people suffer is PERFECT! USA! USA!). BTW what do you mean that they have a high chance of being clubbed to death? How high of a chance? And why would they be clubbed?
I knew that it was the Han who were attacked first. But you still don't seem to understand. Why is ANYONE being attacked at all? Why is there such a problem in such a peaceful country?
I'm glad that less than 20% of China benefits from a decent crime rate. However, if you truly lived in China for MANY years then you would know that that is utter bull shit. China absolutely does not report or keep track of all the domestic violence and crime and it never will. China keeps its doors closed for a good reason.
The only time the media gets access is when an uncontrollable event hits the ground before Hu and the other Red Army have time to cover it up.
Everything else you said was too outlandish to even address so I'll let it die just like all the REAL PEOPLE sacrificed to bring China to where it is today economically... you are sick.
No, I know it's not utter bullshit because while in the past year my aunt's friend was killed by a gang because one of their guys was caught by him to be shoplifting at Wal-Mart, and have had a crackhead walk into my apartment and take my stuff, not once during my stay in China have I encountered such craziness. Your claim that its "unfair that anyone has to grow up in China" makes me wonder.
Sure, many people have died in the course of Chinese history at the rule of the Chinese govt. I'm not going to defend the great leap forward and Tiananmen because they were completely reprehensible. Western exploitation, which continues today, has been just as profound to China and many other countries. But I still don't see how it is "unfair that anyone has to grow up in China," especially in the China of today, and especially given in the context of the article in which there children were sent to these camps voluntarily by their parents.