While even bigwigs can fudge release numbers from time to time, the word "imminently" just carries a certain aura. Speaking with
The Telegraph, executive producer of MSN Peter Bale confessed that
Microsoft was "looking at launching a music streaming service imminently." As in, maybe before the dawn of August. Bale added that it would be "a similar principle to Spotify," but the outfit is still examining exactly how the
business model would work. It's expected that the service would let users stream tunes for free so long as they listen to ads every half hour or so, but for those with too little time and too many jams, there could be a paid option that strips the plugs. What's unclear now, however, is exactly how this initiative will tie-in with the company's Xbox 360 and Zune. There's no doubt that Microsoft is aiming to make the former an all-encompassing multimedia box, but we're sure it'd rather not convolute things with
Zune Pass all the same.
[Via
Joystiq]
posted Jul 14th 2009 12:19PM
Color me confused, since you can pretty much stream music through the Zune Pass as long as you have a functional computer. Why not just add a free ad-supported part to the Zune Pass?
Don't touch a thing about the paid Zune Pass Microsoft, I love it too much.
Actually the can touch the Zune pass as long as they add Video to the pass as well. That or have the option to pay a few bucks more a month to have video added. I don't really use my Zune for anything much other than music and occasionally pictures because I don't really want to pay for DRM'd highly compressed video and I'm to lazy to convert anything over myself. However, I would be willing to rent DRM'd highly compressed video for a nominal monthly fee.
I'm with you. Combine the ZuneHD with a version of Zune Pass that includes video downloads and Microsoft can basically have direct access to my sad little bank account.
Amen. I love my zune pass. 3 computers and 2 devices, 1 pass, FTW!
Or 3 people, 3 computers, 3 zunes, 1 zune pass, at $5 a month for unlimited music.
C'mon Microsoft work with yourself here. Don't you know you already have a music streaming service? Maybe you should check with your other departments....
it's possible they can embed 3g into the devices to connect to a cell network in order to get a constant stream.
If Microsoft provides a Kindle-like cellular data connection in future Zunes and couple it with an unlimited streaming service (either free ad-driven or with Xbox Live Gold subscription), then the iPod's days are numberd (assuming all things remain constant).
Spotify? Never heard of it.
I'd be happy if the service let me use my Zune pass to open the marketplace on my 360 and create and stream playlists there without having to download anything or hook up my Zune. That'd be convenient, easy, and wouldn't take up any hard drive space (still rocking a 20gb).
Very good service. You download a small app create an account and start streaming music of your choice. There is thousands of albums. I think there is a lot more to come. I think you can upgrade to a paid service but not sure about the price. Everything I've just described is free. Some songs are only available in certain countries. You get an advert every half hour plus some in the program.
http://www.spotify.com/en/
No harm in checking out.
Color me confused, since you can pretty much stream music through the Zune Pass as long as you have a functional computer. Why not just add a free ad-supported part to the Zune Pass?
Don't touch a thing about the paid Zune Pass Microsoft, I love it too much.
Presumably this is for when you don't have a computer, and want to stream directly to the device.
Too bad it's 6 years after Apple's Itunes for Windows... way to catch up with your own products, Microsoft.
You may want to look into the Zune marketplace.
iTunes doesn't stream, FYI. You download. There is something of a difference.
So true. The iTunes streaming and subscription service is da bomb.
Apple (iTunes) does not offer a subscription model, so I do not think it is a fail.
Come on Apple, offer a subscription model.
I really hope its what Launchcast used to be. I rated more than 3000 songs on that site and then it shut down ('shat down'?)
Just tie in music subscriptions with the yearly xbox live gold membership dues. You would really have a lot of people jump on the xbox/microsoft/zune bandwagon, since all services are provided under one account.
I myself do not want to have another subscription to manage, thank you very much...
it should be an add on option, as not all gold members want music streaming and probably do not want to pay for it.
@ Puggs: I know what you mean, but since they are making the zune pass so cheap and now this "free streaming" coming imminently, why not just lump in with the xbox live gold membership? Just tell the world, "if you have an xbox live account, you have all the priveledges of the zune pass." And be done with it. That seems to be the best solution, and more users flocking to MS is more valuable than the revenue they would generate, IMHO.
Not a fanboy, but a logical thing to do would be to steal as many apple fanatics as possible and migrate them into MS's environment.
Tie it in with the Zune Pass? I personally don't have a gold subscription, but I'd get it in a heartbeat if they did this.
Right. Who wouldn't want games, music, TV and movies tied into one account? Nazis, that's who.
Joking aside, I think it would be great. I'm the opposite of Scuubs. I have a gold membership for Xbox Live and no zune pass. However, if the two services are merged, I can have the best of both worlds. And since MS is looking for more integration of the Zune and Xbox experience, I say "Why not?"
They need to do something if they have any intention of slowing the iTunes juggernaut.
You literally refresh the Engadget page constantly. There's no other explanation for how you are able to post at the top of multiple articles, and reply to multiple people in multiple stories as you do. That, or you have doppelgangers and impostors who copycat your work.
Its no longer Engadget, its the Paul A. Chapel show.
I think I just threw up a little in my mouth.
no thanks
I would hope that this would tie into the Zune Pass/last.fm/Xbox 360/Media Center/Windows Media Player universe...except of course that these things are currently entirely separated and convoluted as heck.
If Microsoft wants to do "all-encompassing" technology, they should first work on getting all of their own technology to work together seamlessly. While I enjoy being able to stream my music and videos to my 360 via Zune or Media Center, the fact that both are available, each with similar features begins to be annoying. Especially when you consider that some services (zune pass, TV connectivity are a couple of examples) are not available for control in both services.
If they want to add in a new service, they need to do it in one or more of their existing services and start doing away their other ones. Personally, I'd like to see Media Center taken away entirely and be folded into the far better looking Zune service. I understand that WMP is likely not going to go away, as it is, like their Internet Explorer, the built-in option, I think Media Center is facing a serious identity crisis in the current generation. I like it's new integration with Netflix...but wouldn't that work better in conjunction with, rather than opposed to, the Zune Store?
Zune already does a good job of integrating radio and mp3 player functionality. The ability to identify a song and download it later, while not mind-blowing, is useful, and is one of the best features of Zune. You integrate Media Center's ability to do TV and offer a similar service (download a TV show you just missed via Zune Store) and you have an amazing product on your hands. Add Netflix and this music streaming service in and you've got an amazing service on your hands. It truly would be a Media Center-- able to access content via live broadcast (TV & radio), streaming services (Netflix and the new music streaming) or via download (Zune store/Zune Pass). Now, put that on the XBox as well and you've got the most comprehensive media services on three devices- computer, game console, and PMP. Make a Zune Phone and get the mobile market involved...
wait, why am I not in charge of Microsoft again? C'mon, I could make you guys a LOT of money.
So true. Microsoft is like the private sector version of United States government. Too many different projects and just plain to big for their own good. Apple seems to have this issue figured out.
Media Center is all about the 10ft interface. It meets a different need than Zune or WMP. Zune and WMP are the ones that are superfluous. Combine Zune and WMP, and make sure Zune files / library / store all work inside of Media Center.
That's the answer.
That's because Apple, despite its size, has one guy with an enormous amount of clout internally and amongst the board and shareholders. Jobs can turn Apple on a dime, and I can't think of any other large company that has a leader with that amount of power. When he wanted to build the iPhone, Jobs suspended development of OS X to free up resources for the project. If Ballmer tried to suspend development of Windows to make a Zune Phone, he would have a shareholder revolt on his hands and at the very least the board would change his mind for him.
"wait, why am I not in charge of Microsoft again? C'mon, I could make you guys a LOT of money."
Well, the lawyers at least. Don't forget that the second Microsoft starts to link services, hundreds of lawyers and governments start screaming "Stifled competition and Monopoly!!!"
I get where you're coming from Jepzilla, but I still think you have to take a couple of things into account:
Primarily, WMP exists as a free built-in solution to media playing. Were Zune packaged in, I believe it would take nanoseconds for Microsoft to be hit with anti-trust suits from every angle. Zune, as a service with a payment option and a proprietary hardware requirement, cannot replace the free WMP.
Secondly, Zune already has a lot in common with Media Center. Both can play stored content. Both have access to live broadcast content through outside hardware (zune devices have radio, Media Center can integrate with a cable box). Both can access streaming content (zune pass for zune, netflix for media center). Now the Zune marketplace has both video and music. It would make sense to me to simply combine all the content management (live,streaming, downloads) into one place and then put them as many places as possible, rather than leaving media center only on the PC and 360.
I mean, if you could add songs to your streaming from your phone, your PC, your zune and the 360, you'd really have an all-encompassing media solution.
And personally, i've never had a problem with the interface of the zune software, even when I hook it up to my TV via HDMI and run it from across the room. I think you could tweak the Zune UI to be more of a "10 ft HUD" style, and do away with Media Center a lot more easily than you could convince all the other companies not to sue if Microsoft stops making WMP and puts Zune on every computer.
Windows Media Center is an entirely different animal from Zune and Xbox services. It's an integrated experience that allows people to watch and record television on their pc, and efficiently use their pc when it's hooked up to a television. It would be a huge mistake to roll it into Microsoft's entertainment division.
Quoted from above poster:
"Windows Media Center is an entirely different animal from Zune and Xbox services. It's an integrated experience that allows people to watch and record television on their pc, and efficiently use their pc when it's hooked up to a television. It would be a huge mistake to roll it into Microsoft's entertainment division."
Media Center has the CAPABILITY to watch and record TV on a computer. However, it also: plays music stored on a computer, can view pictures and videos stored on the computer, and can sync with XBox 360s to display all the above content on those devices. also, it can play your netflix content.
Zune allows downloading of videos and pictures, as well as streaming of content, allows users to remember songs played on the radio and download them...and syncs with XBox 360s to display all the above content on those devices. Also, it can play your netflix content.
The point is that almost everything that Media Center can do, Zune can do. The only difference is TV, which as I said above is far from the only thing that people use it for. My parents use it mostly for the ability to play music and Netflix. I used to use it to play my media content of my 360. Now, I use Zune. Media Center is a bastard child, which has a single trick that other Microsoft offering don't do: TV. If you add the ability for Zune to display live TV content from a cable input you lose nothing by switching. Why have 3 programs to play an MP3? Why have 3 programs to watch DVDs on? Why have 3 media players for your pictures. It's non-sensical.
Take the Zune brand name, change it to "Zune Media Center", add in the ability to display content from live TV and add a service that would let you download a show you happen to be watching and VOILA, you've completely eliminated the need for Media Center. Zune can also be displayed on a TV that's hooked up to a computer (in fact, I'm typing this by reading off of my TV while Zune plays in the background).
Now, if you add the Zune Marketplace to the XBox 360 dash, you will have a SINGLE point of reference for downloading movies, music and TV shows and can cut down to 2 media players: Zune, the complete media center with access to TV, Radio, streaming, and downloadable content, and WMP, the basic, built-in player that is not tied to a subscription service or a proprietary piece of hardware. You will still be able to view your content on a TV. You will eliminate an infrastructure of self-competing products, and you will make Zune an incredibly more robust service than iTunes.
Again, if you can consolidate live, streaming and downloadable content into one place, you make it easier on consumers as well as drive down development costs (less products, less things to update and troubleshoot). This would allow the one-stop-shop of Zune Marketplace to deliver content to phones, PMPs, computers, and the Console (thereby bringing it to TVs in two different ways).
Feel free to explain it to me, but I just don't see how having 3 services that have both overlapping features and zero integration between them makes any sense from a business standpoint...unless you count "Media Center" as a stand-alone version of Windows that can be used to charge more...which to me is just a BS excuse. Zune > Media Center in every facet except television and it is 100% free. The micropayments from new users downloading content and buying subscriptions would vastly exceed the difference in people who buy the Media Center addition.
Again, though-- tell me why Media Center as a stand-alone is better than integrating TV services into Zune.
It doesn't have to. It provides a choice to consumers.
Streaming = online = requires wifi link and adequate bandwidth. Should work really well when driving in a car, sitting in a boat, or riding in an airliner. Another guaranteed f-a-i-l from the Ballmer brain trust.
I just use my unlimited data connection plan for my phone to stream music to my car stereo.
Yeah, some of us can afford that type of thing.
So, the fanboys think that offering a new(ish) service = fail because it won't work where it's not intended to work? Wow, they're stretching farther and farther these days.
You forgot in the middle of a desert, on mars, and at the earth's core.
Because I go to mars a lot and when I go I BETTER HAVE MUSIC GAWL DARNIT.
More and more things are online nowadays...the cloud is growing so I think criticizing streaming music is a fail.
Hey mister "unlimited data plan", how well does your connection work in the mountains? In a foreign country? Nobody cares if their web page download stalls for a second or two. Music is a different story unless you want to wait for adequate buffering.
This is just more BS from Redmond because they haven't come up with a single business plan or product that makes sense beyond licensing the OS and selling Office.
Really? Streaming requires bandwidth? Amazing. You've solved the mystery of technology. Now, go look up the dozens of streaming websites out there that are making money using this "bandwidth" thing you've stumbled upon and tell me...if it is a "fail" of an idea...why are so many people making money off of it?
If you are in your house, or your office, on a mobile device that can use 3G, or in a public area (coffee shop, library, etc.) tht has free public wifi...guess what, this will be a way for you to get music that you want delivered to you. If you don't have a mobile device that can get some form of internet...then you're not going to use this service.
That's how the internet works...when you don't have connection to it, you can't use it...by your own logic, EVERY online service is FAIL. EBay must be fail because I can't use it when I don't have the bandwidths. Amazon is FAIL because I can't use it when I'm scuba diving and don't have and internet capable device. Google? Total FAIL because when I am sitting in a room with my computer turned off, and no other form of communication with the outside world exists, I can't even use it. What kind of business model is that?
"Hey mister "unlimited data plan", how well does your connection work in the mountains? In a foreign country? Nobody cares if their web page download stalls for a second or two. Music is a different story unless you want to wait for adequate buffering.
This is just more BS from Redmond because they haven't come up with a single business plan or product that makes sense beyond licensing the OS and selling Office. "
Uh........................yeah. I'm just gonna back away and assume you are a nut.
c'mon, Ed, really?
Yes, you're not going to be able to use it when you can't get internet. That is obvious. What you forget is that this is not "instead of" Zune or anything like that, it's "in addition". So, if you are going where you can't get internet, maybe you could use some sort of futuristic device that stores mp3s and allows you to play them back later at a time when you want music, but do not have the internet. Some sort of personal media player, or something along that route.
Sarcasm aside, it's wildly obvious that you don't like Microsoft, but if you took Microsoft out of this announcement, would you really think it was such a bad idea? I mean, Pandora, last.fm, and dozens of other streaming sites exist because there are times you cannot use a PMP, and do not have admin rights on a computer to install music playing programs like Zune or iTunes. The market for this already exists as is readily evident from the fact that other companies are already doing this. So this idea of yours that somehow when Microsoft does it is is an immediate fail contradicts every bit of evidence available. Streaming sites make money. Microsoft already has the infrastructure to stream music, as well as an extensive collection from their Zune marketplace...makes a LOT of sense.
Especially if they tie it in with Zune. Then, the Zune service would offer both subscription services as well as streaming services, two things that Apple does not currently do. Logically speaking, it would be a smart move.
So, rebut this-- how is this a fail? If others, with less expendable amounts of money, can succeed with streaming...how is it a fail when Microsoft does it?
Are all Apple idiots like Ed T?
Jesus!
He keeps changing his avatar. It was Sean Connery just a minute ago, and it was actually Jesus minutes before that. Now it's the Halo guy.
This guy is on the crack rock for sure!
I don't understand the point of this.
With all the decent 'Pandora-like' music streaming radio programs out there, like Slacker, Spotify, Last.fm, Pandora.....what is Microsoft hoping to bring to the table?
I don't see how anything can be different enough from the other well established services to warrant going with them.
And as someone said above....they already HAVE a much better streaming service then any of the before-mentioned services, it is called ZunePass. Sure, it isn't free like the others, but its also 10000x better.
Implementing a "Free" or "Close to Free" version of ZunePass that has only the functionality of Pandora, is a waste of resources in my opinion.
Well, "better" doesn't mean the same for everybody. I like Zune Pass...but at the same time, there are times when Zune Pass doesn't have something I want-- or I'm on a computer that doesn't let me install programs or plug in my PMP (I work in the military, all of our computers are locked down). If I could instead access the same content on computer where I am a guest, without having to install a program and bring my PMP, etc., etc. it would be very good.
Netflix for example, is a great service that has been added to the Media Center family. Now, when I go home, I don't have to bring my external harddrive full of movies or install a new program. I simply go to Media Center or the Netflix website and stream the content I want to myself. No downloads that I have to bring and no worries about not being able to install software or having to delete movie files after I watch them. Same thing would work with music. If there was a netflix-esque music service where I could select my favorite artists and have them streamed to me at work, or when I am on a computer where I don't have admin rights, I'd enjoy it, especially if it saved my preferences remotely, like netflix.
That's why Zune Pass and a streaming service are not mutually exclusive.
^
First off, you don't 'have' to download anything. ZunePass offers downloads, or streaming.
Second, your complain about having do 'download software', although a very minor annoyance, is still valid.
Solution? Slap a web UI on to Zune Marketplace. Use your ZunePass to stream. Have a different tiered pricing plan for UI Streaming Zunepass only.
considering that they haven't announced much, it's a fallacy to assume that a WebUI to their Zune Marketplace isn't exactly what is being proposed. It would make a lot of sense. My point was simply this: there are times when streaming is better than having to rely on a piece of software. No matter how minor of annoyance it might seem, when you are forced to rely upon government computer resources overseas and you cannot a)install software b)use any form of thumbdrive to move files and c)are not allowed to bring CDs or PMPs into certain areas (which is where I work), the idea of having my zune pass content available online is a welcome one.
It it end-of-the-world problematic? No. But it is a hassle I wish I didn't have to have.
I agree that a "new" service isn't necessary. I believe it should fit in with their existing products. I simply was pointing out that there are many times when simply having a streaming option in Zune is not enough.
If they have the resources sitting there, why not use them. I see people using things like Pandora and last.fm all the time, both are well known services if Zune can emulate these services and even make them better, this results in more people using it which in turn could result in more people using other parts of the Zune brand such as Zune Pass and the Zune Hardware.
I remember a simpler time...long ago...when Paul never commented...What the hell happened? He discovered Engadget and all the sudden decided we cannot live without him? I mean come on Paul...this isn't a forum...these aren't threads for discussion...Post a witty comment and move on. Don't reply to every single reply. Learn some Engadget etiquette.
If there's something that will beat dethrone the iPod, it's the Zune and nothing else. It will take a whole lot of time but it certainly will.
"WTF? Look_Around_You, you call yourself a Microsoft Fanboy and don't know Master Chief. For shame!"
Actually I dont call myself one. And 2, I dont play PC games, so sorry if I dont know the names of all the guys.
I made something special for you Paul.
Engadget without Microsoft.
http://pipes.yahoo.com/hkyeung/engadgetnomicrosoft
That Monty Python esque splash thats coming out of the Zune only says one thing to me...Chaos! - run for your lives...
It would be nice to stream music via the zune wireless.
You already can. Just go to the marketplace and hit play (Zune Pass subscribers only).
only if the Zune supported Slacker.com. What a perfect marriage that would be...
The Channels are already kind of similar to this.
Are you all sure he's not just talking about the upcoming Last.fm integration? They are launching that imminently and the article seems to indicate that they're looking into future download-to-own services.
"Launching a music service" would mean that it was new. Last.fm is already an established service, and probably will hit in September along with the rest of the Xbox updates/Zune updates.
MS,
Why do this when their are other, more publicly visible services that you should be focusing on instead (Last.fm!)...
...I suppose this means they will never support a Last.fm plug-in for Zune.
Considering Last.fm is getting an xbox 360 integration, I wouldn't count it out just yet...
@Maeztro:
I vote we call it Engadgiquette.
I agree that this new service might be awesome but isnt this a third leg to the zune pass and xbox market place duo? I really wish that microsoft would drop or intergrate zune into the market place already and keep things simple ya know? For one thing have hulu style video and even add pandora. What if it was like netflix, ten bucks a month to watch streaming tv and music? I dont know just a thought, what do you guys think? Too many services?
One can only hope/assume this ties in with the Zune/Xbox. The former definitely needs some actual martketing/pushing instead of just sitting back and staring at it, hoping it'll do tricks.
Engadget - If you upgrade the comments system I'd really like an ignore button. Let 'em post, I just don't want to hear it.
Zune Pass 2.0? In a lot of ways, they already have this.
@Maeztro: Before Paul, there was iEye. Before/at the same time, there was Clak. Engadgeteers have been trying to remove these name from their memory for years.
I would love to have my Zune Pass and 360 Gold membership merged. Esp if it'll save me a couple of bucks. I mean gamertag=zunetag=liveID. I can understand how integration != linking and could host a variety of issues, especially with a company as large and diverse as Microsoft. Imagine a possible consumer base of all of the XBL members.
So, Mr. Ballmer; let me play all of my music and/or videos (and any I may want to "purchase" in the future) through my xbox, on my zune, on my computer, and stream at work. And do it at the same cost as I incur now. Thanks.
P.S. and throw in some palm pre accessibility as well.
At least ieye knew he was a troll. I'd take him instead any day.
Paul, you left my name off that list. I feel so neglected.
"I remember the day when you could go into an Apple related article and not see fifty haters trolling the comments... oh wait, no I don't."
- Paul a. Chapel
Does anyone else find this statement by Paul laughably ironic? I can almost hear Alanis Morrisette writing new lyrics right now.
"I remember the day when you could go into an Apple related article and not see fifty haters trolling the comments... oh wait, no I don't."
- Paul A. Chapel
Does anyone else find this statement by Paul laughably ironic? I can almost hear Alanis Morrisette writing new lyrics right now.
Perhaps it'd be like this:
1. Zune Pass Premium stays the same: Pay $15/month (I think that's the cost); download unlimited songs; keep 10 songs per month; no ads.
2. Zune Pass Basic: Well, basically it becomes like Slacker Radio and Slacker Player. Load up your Zune with songs but listen to an ad ever few minutes or so; yet you'll be able to skip back and forth unlimited times (unlike Pandora), but unable to skip the ads.
Kind of brilliant, if that's the deal. I'd be very interested. I rarely download songs to my computer anymore; I just grab them off of Lala.com for 10 cents for streaming instead - and the ones I want to listen to while I'm away from the Internet, I download. It'd be great if Zune had a web-based component for listening to your music, too. Or do they? Is that what Zune Social is?
Paul, everytime you comment my cancer returns.
Mikey, in the eyes of Paul, Quix, Jubei, Zak, etc. if somebody uses an Apple product and has problems, they are either lying and don't use those products, or they are lying and making up the issue, or it is the user's fault for using the Apple product correctly, or it is a problem with hardware component from another company and therefore not Apple's fault, or it is the user's stupidity for wanting something that Apple has decided you do not want, or .... Not falling in line with the official Apple view of the world automatically labels you a hater and are to be attacked with slanderous statements as being a "psychopath". You should never speak out against Apple nor for an Apple competitor.
Meanwhile, they are permitted by some "moral authority" do those very things towards any non-Apple company (not just Microsoft) that they complain people are saying about Apple. Any single person on the internet makes a claim about a non-Apple company, it is held as absolute truth, backing their claims. They are not haters or trolls, because in their mind they fully believe the Apple products they use (and for some, products they don't use) are perfection. Proof in this is reflected in Paul, he does not use an iPhone, but somehow it is so perfect he can tell others it is perfect without ever knowing how "perfect" it truly is.
If you do not own a specific Apple product, then no, you should not be going into an article about that product and commenting on how bad it is. Same goes for non-Apple products from the other side. However, for somebody like myself who owns both Apple (I own a Mac, an iPhone, and an iPod) and non-Apple products (multiple windows computers, Zune, etc) his little personal attacks go nowhere with me. And when I have a problem, you can be damn sure I will speak my mind about those problems. If that makes me a hater or a psychopath, then I wear those titles with pride. So proud, in fact, I changed my user name to reflect that title.
After MS announcing the ability of the new Xbox update to use Zune media, and specifically noting that Australia will be one of the countries where it is available, what is the likelihood that us poor Aussies will finally see this and the Zune down under?
get a life paul....
This is sort of interesting, considering Microsoft just announced a partnership with last.fm, to get online music streaming on Xbox Live.
Why can I never change my avatar? I use Chrome on Vista 64. I use 64x64 Jpgs. But when I upload it never changes.
Does that mean that the Zune HD will be able to stream Pandora and Last.fm???
Well, if it was that easy, a caveman could do it.
Imagine someday you meet a new guy, say, at work.
He says "Hi, my Name is Paul Chapel." (assuming he doesn't bring his middle name)
How would you feel?
"I remember the day when you could go into an Apple related article and not see fifty haters trolling the comments... oh wait, no I don't."
You... DO realise that this is a Zune post, yeah? Like, completely unrelated to Apple? (Well, other than the fact that it's in the same market).
I'm a little confused. Wasn't MS going to integrated Last.FM support in the new fall dashboard update? Wouldn't this be a conflict?
Before Look_Around_You, we had Hamidxa. Before Hamidxa we had Saad Rabia. You guys don't care about trolls, you just hate people that like Apple.
Wait, you mean there IS such a person?