Dell goes pro with U2410 IPS monitor for Japan
By Donald Melanson 
posted Aug 6th 2009 12:28PM
posted Aug 6th 2009 12:28PM
It looks like those that'll accept no less than an IPS panel in their monitor now have another option from Dell, which has just debuted its new 24-inch U2410 monitor in Japan. The big selling point here, of course, is the monitor's color reproduction, which promises to reach 96% coverage of the Adobe RGB color space, and 100% coverage of the sRGB color space. Otherwise, you can expect some suitably high-end specs across the board, including a 1,920 x 1,200 resolution, a 6ms response time, a 1,000:1 contrast ratio, a full range of ports including DVI, DisplayPort, and HDMI, not to mention a built-in 4-port USB hub. No word on a release over here, unfortunately, but folks in Japan can grab one now for ¥72,450, or about $760.
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Nice specs. Not so nice price.
Unfortunately, that is an average price for a monitor with those specs.
Better than a cinema display!
That's actually a pretty nice price. Specs for the price make it worth it. If there is a coupon it could be even better.
Nice specs, but it doesn't save it from not being an FD Trinitron. Sony needs to get their act together and reintroduce their G and F series. If anything, just the F series. Nothing rivals the color reproduction of CRTs, and it's a shame they aren't being made any longer. I'm sure professional studios would be more than willing to pay the prices of around 2K or so for a display they knew was superior to all others.
@vegan
errr... was this article not about dell? How did sony come into the picture.
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I wish this were for $500 or so. That'd be a killer price! :)
This rivals a CRT:
http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF05a/382087-382087-64283-72270-3884471-3648397.html
Too bad its $2,000
BTW I sit in front of one of these and a tube every day, and this beats out the tube. Its only for professional work though and not a consumer monitor.
the 2209WA was
I much doubt it beats out the tube, unless you're using some sort of inferior model. CRTs are considered the only reference still out there (aperture grill mind you) . Infinite viewing angle, color gamut beyond anything any LCD can ever even desire to output. It's true, there are some quite nice LCDs these days (some of the higher end Eizo models come to mind), that really try to push the word 'reference' into their name, but their technology will always hold them back. Use a GDM-F520, or a GDM-FW900, and you'll be pleasantly surprised (considering you can still get a hold of one).
@veganFreak : I work in the VFX industry, and am a color specialist. I worked with profesionally calibrated CRTs for high-end compositing and editing workstations. I actually tested the DreamColor, and it does beat CRTs. The contrast is unbelievable, the angle of vision is pretty damn near infinite, anfd the thing manages colors with internal 3D LUTs. The only bad thing id the crappy software hp delivers with it to manage the LUTs. with decent software this thing would blow everything out of the water.
nice!.
M1st
I'm rocking the Dell 2408, a great VA monitor - I never spent so much time deciding on hardware as I did for that monitor. This is the first monitor I've seen since that tempts me - mainly because of that oh so reasonable price. And surprise, surprise, it's also a Dell! Why does everyone else insist on overproducing TN crap?
because some of us dont care about perfect color representation and would rather get dual 24" TN monitors for $400 instead of one 24" ISP monitor for $750
That Dell 2408 has been on sale numerous times for about $400 brand new on Dell. Cheaper than most TN panels.
@game2k9
there was a 24" TN monitor on newegg today for $200 from Asus. for the price of one Dell 2408 on sale at $400, i can get two of those. unless you are a graphic designer, i dont understand the need for anything better than a TN panel.
@ thatrotierkid:
Some people still care about quality and accuracy for their hard-earned money even if they may not require it.
You get what you pay for. Same goes for TV's, other home theater equipment, automobiles, etc.
Sure the cheaper options get the job done and sell like hotcakes, but there are plenty of people willing to drop a little extra for something better.
Personally, I'm not spending one cent on anything with a TN panel as a graphic artist.
The 2408 is a relatively nice monitor. I've used several of them. The big issue with this monitor is the wide variation of panel quality that Dell ships. I've seen them with a green tint, purplish tint, and more accurate slight bluish tint. All these variations on A02 revisions from similar production lots. Not sure how Samsung quality control is allowing this to slip through. Otherwise, the 2408 is nicely built and has great features. For a PVA panel its great.
That said, for those who poo poo more expensive PVA and IPS panels, before you run off supporting TN panels, try to sit in front of both types for 15 minutes. After viewing a PVA or IPS, you'll likely never want to go back to a TN panel. Plus in many cases you'll also be doing your eyes a favor.
A relatively simple question for you, why do high end (S/IPS etc.) monitors have low pixel densities? For example most TN monitors at 22" are 1920x1080 yet the equivalent pro level monitor is usually 1680x1050, I've even seen 23" TN monitor go above 2000x1200 (a particularly nice one from Dell). Is it a limitation of the tech, or do the manufacturers just feel that pros don't need higher pixel densities (I would prefer it if I was a pro)?
I know this doesn't exactly answer your question, but there are a lot of 1920*1200 23" IPS monitors.
As for myself, I like lower pixel density when working with photos at 100%. It helps with sharpening among other things. Thats why I have a 1920*1200 26" monitor.
Like what? I've been looking all over for a 23" 1920x1200 IPS. The only I can think of that's close is the NEC EA231WMI, but it's only 1920x1080.
I guess they don't make that size anymore. Nec had them in the past and Apple had one for years,
I would also love to see a higher pixel density (smaller) 1920x1200 display.
This seems better than Apple's more expensive monitor. For the ports if nothing else. A little less sexy of course.
The panel apple uses in there 24in display is a little better then the ones dell uses. But thats no knock on dell at all. They make a excellent monitor. Apple's displays have a better color gamut.
It's not any better than the HP LP2475W, which is also S-IPS, same resolution, even more ports and only $525.
Yeah, I'm inclined to still go for the HP for my next monitor... it has a wider gamut than this Dell, too. Plus, with Dell, you have to wonder if you're going to be the first guy to end up with the "revision" that has a less-desirable panel in it.
OK, but where can you purchase the HP with a no hassle return policy in case its got stuck pixels, uneven backlighting, or dust between the panel and backlight layers? These are all issues that plague LCD's including the HP. I will not buy an LCD from a vendor that has a restrictive return policy. Probably purchasing from HP direct, is the best option but I'm not even sure of their policy for monitors...
BTW, I have experienced issues with HP support where they will only issue one replacement on any product. So, if you get a monitor with stuck pixels and the replacement has the same, or a different issue, you are out of luck. Trust me, it happens especially with monitors. IPS monitors are even worse with stuck pixels since 1) 2 transistors are required for each pixel (doubling your chance of a bad pixel) and 2) the high cost of IPS panel production allows more panels with stuck pixels to pass and ship to OEM's.
Zak...
I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said...
Zero logic there, dude. You have no way of knowing that. Wait for a few quality reviews comparing the HP 'LP2475w' and the U2410 Dell. The decide. I'm in the same boat.
The main reason to get the Dell (as opposed to the HP 2475w) is because it uses sRGB. The 2475w uses wide gamut, which isn't supported by Windows natively and requires serious calibration. If you don't calibrate, the image will look blindingly saturated (which it does out of the box). Apps that run wide gamut (Firefox, PS) will look significantly better. Windows 7 is said to bring wide gamut to the OS, but I haven't used it yet, let alone, tested it with the 2475w.
Like its predecessors, the Dell should play nice with everything out of the box, calibrated or not.
Both monitors have tons of legacy IO as well as HDMI, DVI and Displayport.
And by the way: People who are complaining about the price are missing two things. One, this is the launch price in *Japan*, not America, where Dell kit is always cheaper. Two, no one should ever buy a Dell product without a coupon and without waiting for a sale. Dell's quite good about combining the two; if the web site won't do it for you, a customer service rep will. This isn't just my experience, it's corroborated by others on cheapassgamer, fatwallet, hardforums, etc.
Dell 2209WA FTW.
Indeed, this looks like the 24" version of the 2209WA, which I've been using since January and is a great monitor. The addition of DisplayPort and HDMI make it even better than the 22" and the price is great considering the 240*WFPs have been selling for around this for years. I just hope it doesn't turn into the same fiasco that the 2209WA is to get one in the US.
Big deal, just another crappy TN panel.
-some dude on every monitor post
YOU HAPPY NOW?
no
not until I get my happy meal
A professional monitor without LUT?! Who are they kidding?! Dell needs their head examined.
Uh, for $760, you can forgive them for not including it.
I got get the big deal.
Dell has a shit load of LCD's that use the S-IPS panel.
No, Dell has really expensive 30"+ monitors that use IPS panels. One of their 24" monitors used to ship randomly with IPS or PVA (past iterations of the 2408, I believe). The 22-inch IPS from months ago and this monitor are being marketed as IPS exclusively, which, along with the cheaper price, is the difference. Dell finally realized consumers and luxury-prone gamers prefer e-IPS to PVA.
I've noticed that Dell has released several of their products exclusively in Japan or Japan gets it first. Strange..
Not really that strange if you understand economies of scale. Most of the chips and circuitry are probably manufactured by the Japanese in Japan or nearby asian countries. It would make sense to sell newly developed products in localised countries where the demographic are willing to pay a premium price for a premium product until manufacturing reaches a level where costs are reduced and it is therefore viable to release the products to other markets where you get a more price conscious customer.
Depends on where the ODM is located.
That display is OK (assuming you are ok with the glass), but since its strictly display port, your are pretty much limited to using it with MacBook Pros and a small smattering of other graphics cards that support it. Won't work at all for my 2008 24 inch iMac.
Did you read the article?, it has DVI and HDMI as well.
>> a full range of ports including DVI, DisplayPort, and HDMI
It has DVI and HDMI.
He was trying to reply to twattroll up there^
Whatchu talkin' bout, Willis?
Sorry, botched reply. I was trying to comment on "the i"'s comment. Ooops.
DisplayPort only (while I like what I've read about it) seems to be a little short sighted this early in the game. Like they are trying to RAM the technology down my throat.
It's a monitor. Who the hell cares if it's made of aluminum and glass? You're not going to move it around, so structural durability's not an issue. And who the hell would want glass on their monitor? Wasn't part of the whole laptop screen fiasco due to the glossiness of screens? Pros want non-glossy screens. Apple turns its back on them by releasing a double layered glossy screen and people say it's great because it's not what they want or need.
I have oooold Dell LCD's that are IPS's - 2001FP < If you can ever get your hands on them they are sweet (for the money)
did it keep the memory card readers on the side??