WinMo 6.5 build 23022 caught on video, in all its finger-friendly glory
By Joseph L. Flatley 
posted Aug 10th 2009 1:14PM
posted Aug 10th 2009 1:14PM
It's been a hot minute since we first laid eyes on those WinMo screen grabs featuring big ol' buttons at the bottom of the display -- signaling, we hoped, an all-around effort to minimize stylus use in the mobile OS -- and now we have a video for you that seems to further make the case. While WinMo 6.5 build 23022 is still pretty clumsy, those finger-friendly (well, at least, "finger-friendlier," or maybe "not as finger-hostile") buttons grace the bottom of the display, and there is an iPhone-esque magnifying glass option for zooming in on and editing text. Technical details for this build are available at the read link -- but first, make sure you peep the thing in action at the break.
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Get it together microsoft, release 7 already!
I'm not sure why so many people hate winmo. I've been using 6.5 in a productive environment for weeks now without flaw.
It depends on which phone you use it.
I often needed a styus too on my old Omnia 900 but I never touched it to use my HT touchHD, because the screen is big enough and because of the excellent Touchlo3 UI.
I recently bought a Nokia N97, which after numerous updates, tweaks, memory repartitioning, bloatware removing, downloads of apps , progs, and a decent theme (UI) is finally working as it's supposed to, but I just could'nt bring myself to get rid of my touchHD.
The combination of the hardware the TouchFlo and win Mob is just too good, versatile, flexible and easy.
Oh I forget, I got this HTC TouchHD after I gave back my old iPhone 3G few days after I had bought it. I could'nt belive how much that thing sucked.
I've disliked it since I bought the Tilt as a possible iPhone replacement. Long story short, insert the stupid things that people say to defend their MacBooks, and that's kind of why prefer my iPhone over WinMo, even though I'm the guy on the PC side saying "those things are stupid and don't matter!!!" to the MacBook guy. I think things like ease of use, simplicity, streamlined yet nice software and hardware, etc., are all much more important on mobile devices than on actual computers. When you are using a phone to do all of these different things now, like browsing the web, IM chatting, photo viewing, etc., they need to be achieved in a quick, easy, and enjoyable manner. WinMo just seems to be that old multitool in the back of the garage. It might get the job done, but it's just not enjoyable to pick up and use, and it's getting rusty in certain parts. Small things like viewing photos are just slow and kind of ridiculous on WinMo. It has far better customization and options than iPhone's OS, but being able to upload any sound file as a ringtone or alert tone isn't enough for me.
I really hate being "that guy" that talks about why he likes his iPhone better than whatever is in the article, but hopefully you didn't get any fanboy vibe from my explanation. You asked, I answered. :P On the same note, I think I would pick Android or WebOS over WinMo as well. WinMo just feels like a last generation mobileOS to me, and it's just not as enjoyable to use anymore. WinMo skins and UI's just mask the sluggish performance too, which is what deters me from getting another HTC WinMo phone.
WinMo 6.5 is looking really nice though. Does anybody know if 6.5 is just a 6 revision, and 7 will be a rewritten kernal? If 6.5 is a nicer looking 6 with the same sluggsh performance, I'll wait for 7, but if 7 ends up being a pretty skin for 6.5, I'll be let down.
MICROSOFT, on the cutting edge of "meh, good enough -the important thing is we'll profit"
I can't wait to give winmo the finger.
I can't wait to finger winmo
On of the feature - magnifier was there ages ago in Microsoft Research, Apple copied that concept with iPhone and everyone praised.
Here is just some of the taste.
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=microsoft+shift&docid=1077105131865&mid=4EB615723B5FA10045124EB615723B5FA1004512&FORM=VIVR3
@Kit: Too bad they didn't implement it in any of their devices until now. If everything stays in Microsoft Research and doesn't make it into products people actually it essentially means the tech is useless. Apple didn't invent multitouch and many people didn't know about it until the iPhone, but they were the first company to make it useful and widespread. Also, the video you showed us was for WinMo devices with resistive touch screens and user interfaces that weren't touch friendly. The magnifying loupe was a 'solution' to a poor OS.
"Obviously this is very crude, it doesn't work too well"
lol
Yeah, taking things out of context is hilarious!
Yeah, I took it out of context. No, I didn't change his meaning. Where's the problem?
Nice!
I love WinMo for it's DIY open-ness and versatility, but yep, ya gotta keep a stylus around for those occasions where you break into the "lower layers".
That or be good with a fingernail.
This looks very encouraging.
It depends on which phone you use it.
I often needed a styus too on my old Omnia 900 but I never touched it to use my HT touchHD, because the screen is big enough and because of the excellent Touchlo3 UI.
I recently bought a Nokia N97, which after numerous updates, tweaks, memory repartitioning, bloatware removing, downloads of apps , progs, and a decent theme (UI) is finally working as it's supposed to, but I just could'nt bring myself to get rid of my touchHD.
The combination of the hardware the TouchFlo and win Mob is just too good, versatile, flexible and easy.
Oh I forget, I got this HTC TouchHD after I gave back my old iPhone 3G few days after I had bought it. I could'nt belive how much that thing sucked.
It's very slow and laggy.
Get it together, Microsoft. Third parties are releasing better, faster, more sensitive UIs for 6.1 than you can put together for 6.5!
It's an early build of new features. The zune-scroll Today screen (Titanium) and the honeycomb start menu both ran like crap on early builds, but they are extremely fluid now. I would expect them to be able to do the same with this.
I won't expect them to get it to run much faster than this if it's just retooled WinMo6. My interest in WinMo deteriorated when the Xperia came out and it's UI was sluggish as hell. This is why I'm really hoping WinMo 7 is a complete rebuild, or at least optimized as much as they optimized W7 for PC's. 6.5 is looking way nicer than 6, but I do agree that it will need to be more than a pretty mask for WM6 that runs smoother for me to want it.
I like the fact that they made the close button bigger and easier to access, sure it looked better in the taskbar, but I was constantly missing it and hitting the clock... This is a welcoming change :D
ditto
I'm just loving the fact that they got rid of the word "Start" next to the start button! I mean, really, on a space limited screen, they waste a good 1/5th of that top row on that word alone.
I welcome these additions. Anything that makes windows mobile better should be welcomed, not scrutinized. That said, I giggled when I saw "Ugh" entered in the Notes application. Looks like someone was a little frustrated with the keyboard.
I fully believe that WinMo's biggest problem is that it generally runs on underpowered hardware. Take care of that first, with minimum hardware requirements, then focus on the surface issues.
Have you seen the WinMo 7 hardware requirements? Microsoft has definitely solved that problem. Low end devices will be restricted to 6.5.
I've seen the rumored minimum specs but they don't mean a whole lot to me since I'm not that up-to-date on cellphone hardware. The only thing I know is that my Moto Q9c is vastly underpowered for running WinMo 6.1. Well, maybe not vastly, but it's quite sluggish.
WinMo/PPC has always been clunky. Even on the best mobile hardware available at the time-Intel Xscale era, and there have been several handsets in recent years (Kaiser) that had used the best Qualcomm chips available at the time. Even now WM 6.5 would still run clunky on Tegra, or the 3GS's CPU. It's not the hardware (Although it definately helps to ease the pain...low powered WinMo devices are really ugly). Windows CE's primary market used to be embedded systems with more powerful CPUs, so there was not much incentive to really optimize the experience for consumer mobile hardware. However with the explosion of the smartphone market, that has shifted and MS has been forced to go back to the drawing board for a lot of it. Sadly they were late to the game, and we are still waiting for WinMo 7.
"Even now WM 6.5 would still run clunky on Tegra, or the 3GS's CPU."
You know this how??
It looks like WinMo 6.5 and Symbian S60 v5.0 (it's interesting to see what Symbian^2 will look like) are about on par with touch usability - though, S60 has fancy transitions if turned on.
If they don't remove the need for stylus, consider WinMo dead.
I don't completely agree with this statement. Windows mobile has text recognition. You can write on it and it transcribes it into text. You can't get that kind of accuracy using your finger.
I like using my stylus over my finger for many things. Finger-friendly also means large and obtrusive, reducing the amount of the alreadly limited screen real estate for information.
Untill the technology for expandable mobile displays (rollable/foldable, holographic, projection, etc) comes into mainstream, I am pretty sure I will always prefer a hybrid system. Common tasks should be finger-friendly....making calls, browsing contacts, viewing appointments, SMS etc...but when you want to spend a few minutes to work on something on your phone, there's no reason not to have a stylus for precision. It's the same reason the touch screen hasn't ovetaken the mouse...human fingers are clunky.
When is microsoft going to stop screwing around and release windows mobile 7? Really now, with the traction that android is getting their mobile OS is on a fast tract to becoming obsolete. Any one know what's happening with the new symbian os that nokia is supposedly working on, and what's the deal with the Limo foundation?
Go to http://developer.symbian.org/main/source/platform/index.php and see. "Platform roadmap [PDF]" -link is a good start.
Windows Mobile 7 will be released in 2011 to replace 6.5. 2010 is slotted for the Zune Phone, which will basically be WinMo 7. The WinMo 7 UI will be more similar to ZuneHD than 6.5. A capacitive version of WinMo 6.5 will be released with this sort of UI, and potentially upgradeable to WinMo 7 (which won't support resistive). At least that's my theory based on various sources.
@Dogtown
I believe that is all wrong.
From what I know a zune phone is not ear marked at all. How can they produce a phone and then compete with their ODMs? It would be like MS taking on HP and Dell in producing its own machine. They would be essentially shooting themselves in the foot.
I believe WinMo 7 should be due first half of 2010 and will run along side 6.5. Someone at MS as said that WinMo7 will be on premium phone due to the hardware requirements and 6.5 will run along side on the current standard of phones at a lower price. This will ease the transition and eventually 6.5 will be phased out as more powerful phones become cheaper and more commonplace.
They have to get this right and soon as the smartphone market is only going to grow. If they wait until 2011 that would be too late as although 6.5 is good enough to stop current users from switching i'm not sure its going to win many new customers.
I would be excited for this if it was back in 2004. Heck, probably even earlier. Apple, Palm, Blackberry, even Android seem farther into the Mobile OS game than MS. I applaud Palm for reinventing their OS for the Pre. MS, please do something similar, and you will be in better shape. It's my honest opinion.
The Mobile OS UI game, you mean.
Good old Microsoft. Despite the obvious pilfering of Apples excellent iPhone and iPod Touch OS/UI, Microsoft stumbles again. Thats what happens when you copy, rather than innovate and create as Apple as has done with the iPhone/iPod Touch OS/UI environment. Microsoft the biggest "me too" company or should we say, wannabe company.
Your post doesn't make sense. What "obvious pilfering"? As touch screens gain prominence in the mobile market, WinMo has to be more finger-friendly. Apple wasn't the first to have a usable touchscreen phone.
Yes because adding copy and paste two years late is innovating.
So WinMo is copying apple? I could have sworn WinMo has been around for a decade longer at least, not to mention touch screen phones. Apple was the one playing catch up and WinMo didnt have real competition until apple finally released the iphone
Apple haven't copied any ideas, they just looked at the market and saw how rubbish interfaces were and made a better and MUCH easier one. And due to that it shined the light for everyone else and hence HTC's Touchflo etc etc. I don't care who copied who (IMO no one has) but what I do care about is the fact Apple changed the game and took it all in a totally different direction as it was a long time coming, so now everyone is ditching the stylus which is better for you, me, everyone!
I like how 6.5 is looking, just need to make things like the volume slider look prettier. But, by the time they launch it they will not only have the iPhone to compete against but a plethora of Android handsets too. Still MS has a massive following that should help it sell.
One area where Apple have innovated is the apps store, this was obvious as the iTunes store and iPod combo has given them tons of experience, and it's very nice to see everyone else following suite. Don't know about you lot but I got sick and tired sometimes of hunting apps or games down then buying them from a website that after would send me endless junk text.
Its funny how MS makes the Zune and they are copying Apple.
Apple make a Mobile OS and enter the smartphone market and they aren't copying anyone but now 3 years down the line every one is copying Apple?
I swear Apple followers have narcissistic tendencies.
Its just Mr. Softee being Mr. Softee.....
I can't believe that windows is only now coming up to scratch with the iPhone, and it still doesn't work as well as an iPhone!
Jesus, usually Microsoft get to copy most things within 2 years, looks like they need to head back to the iPhone copiers guide once more to get windows mobile 6.7 tweaked.
Funny you should mention 2 years, that's about how long it took for Apple to come up with the brand new never before seen iPhone features of copy pasting, video recording and voice control. Things that have been available on smartphones and even free-with-contract dumb phones for years before the first iPhone.
WinMo should never be compared to other phones especially to iPhone cuz they are completly different concepts WinMo is a pocket PC the name says it all it gives you the features aprox to PC so an iPhone can mean a single app on WinMo. The comparement of WinMo to other devices like iPhone is a mistake that people usually do. For a WinMo its important if it has new futures like enterprise ones, not ones that says ohhh great this thing has "Copy & Paste now".
This was from professionals view.
Bye
What?
A professional that says "cuz" is not a professional worth listening to.
The iPhone and WinMo are very comparable, they have slightly different markets (business vs casual) but they are slowly overlapping.
I finally got my iPhone after a year of using 6.1 and then 6.5 beta builds. The difference in UI was huge. I will never go back to WinMo until they release 7...and by then im sure Apple will have something better. Having to cater to a smaller non specialised market makes things so much easier. Just like WIndows vs Mac...Macs are able to dump legacy features and move forward dramatically quicker than Windows because they dont need to fear a backlash from their customers.
Ohhh boy... just another reason to stick with Android.
I really love how Microsoft "forget" about markets where there is no competition in.
Suddenly iPhone came along and they were 5 years behind, then Android came from behind and pushed WIMo all the way back.
Now Microsoft have to start all over because they are loosing grounds here with their shitty Mobile OS....
Remember back when Microsoft said IE6 was the final version of IE and there would no longer come updates or version to the browser.. ever... Then firefox came along.. and BOY... suddenly it became a major focus again.
Imagine if OSX wasent around.... then there would have been no windows 7 presumably...
Its a bad habit.
Hope they get 'a bit better' to treat us costumers 'a bit better' in the future.
And that right there is a perfect demonstration of why competition is so important.
Even the analysts are catching on. This is a company that does NOTHING but copy from others, especially Apple. The GUIs, the music stores, the freaking retail stores, the iPods. Its absolutely pathetic.
@Dax
Oh right.
Excuse me whilst I laugh at you.
Dax:
Not as pathetic as your comment.
@Dax
Oh did Apple invent the retail store...Wow there amazing friend.....
That's silly. Competition is why ANY company improves its products. You think Apple wanted to "give the world a better UI"? No, they just realized that smartphones were a HUGE market that hadn't been tapped (except in the corporate world by the frustratingly-bad WinMo and the mediocre BlackBerry). And of course, Apple banked on what it does best: style and usability.
I'm not denying that Microsoft's stance is ridiculous as well, but lack of competition breeds lack of innovation, for any company in any industry.
What phone is that?
HTC Touch Diamond 2 I think...
HTC Touch Diamond2
So "Your Finger Will Always Be Too Large" for windows mobile phones cuz of the futures that it offers and that concept that has been for years.
Microsoft does some tiny improvements to their super lame winmo os and we are supposed to be excited about it?
Hey Microsoft. You don't have a monopoly in mobile phones os. Wake up. You won't get a free pass with this like you did with Vista.
What exactly is so "super lame" about WinMo? These "tiny improvements" address one of the most frequent complaints, which is that WinMo can be hard to use without a stylus.
Windows Mobile 6.5 is going to be an ongoing evolution whereas Windows Mobile 7 is going to be a revolution.
Look for 6.5-based devices to be low end, moving towards 6.6/6.7/6.8, etc. It'll migrate this direction over time, where eventually performance will catch up for even low-end devices to run WinMo7.
To be honest, Microsoft has done a lot to improve Windows Mobile 6.1. Everything we've seen is still pre-release, keep that in mind. When this comes out, it'll be a large step forward in the UI department, and who knows what sort of Zune integration an other functionality is yet to come. Plus, WinMo7 beta looms on the near ( < 3 mo. ) horizon.
As far as I'm concerned, Windows Mobile 6.5 is pretty solid, and I'm excited for 7. If you can't do everything your iPhone or Android phone can do on WinMo and more, you're doing something wrong.
I use opera mobile and iris browser and while the browsing experience is good enough I still reach for my Wife's Pre whenever i can because winmo browsers just can't compete.
skyfire is better for desktop browsing than opera and iris. I use skyfire anytime I want a desktop web experience on my phone(streaming video, functional layouts, etc), but very often Id rather have a mobile experience on my phone(which is usually equivalent to less crap and more content)
Looks like their making some drastic improvements, but i must say that I used Win Mobile for 2 years and finally got a Blackberry. My thoughts after a few days of using the Blackberry were "Wow...this thing just works!"
I didn't realize how behind the Win Mobile experience was until I used my Blackberry. Not saying Win Mobile is useless, but there are so many ways that it does things much slower or more difficult than the same functions on a Blackberry and other phones.
Innovation, improvement and competition are all good in the mobile space. I'm hoping that Win Mobile 7 is going to bring a Zune HD esque experience to mobile phones. The Zune UI is excellent and the Zune software on PC's is excellent as well. It would be great to have all that on a phone.
Zune really shines in the social networking aspects and iTunes will remain irrelevant to me as long as it does not have a subscription service like the Zune does. $15 a month for 10 songs you keep and unlimited access to the rest of the library. You iTunes users don't know what your missing out on when it comes to the subscription service.
I've been playing with WinMo 6.5 for a couple of months now on my AT&T Tilt. It has some very welcomed improvements over 6.1. With that said, people need to get off of the iPhone bandwagon. Fact, I've had copy/paste since I got the thing, I can send MMS messages, Slingbox works over 3G, I can run multiple apps at one time (background applications), easily syncs with Outlook, I can open/edit any MS Office document, sync over bluetooth, I tweak and edit the UI within the registry without having to unlock the thing, the list goes on and on. As for lack of hardware, the Tilt has a processor that is equivalent to the original iPhone so I don't think that is the case. I'm looking forward to the Touch Pro 2.
You wanna see what WinMo 7.0 looks like? Go to your local Apple or AT&T store and play with the new iPhone.
It'll look better than that. But guess what, it'll actually be useful.
This looks great. I've been running Da_G's 6.5 clean rom and it makes my TP amazing that being said. Everyone is going to keep saying The iPhone has that, the iPhone doesn't have that. WinMo has had that for years, but you have to use a stylus etc etc. Apple makes its own hardware and software which is optimized for their phone. MS has to optimize there OS for at least a 100 different phones. I know that a lot of the Mobile phone producers take care of that but from a programmers perspective that seem hard.
All I can say is that the iPhone and WinMo are completely different phones. So its like comparing apples to oranges.
I am also running a 6.5 build on my 8525; I can't wait for the Touch Pro 2 and a newer 6.5 build.
Bring it on!!
Work on innovating your trolling.
Slap this on the new Zune HD and add XBOX Live connectivity and then sign me up.
I like how the Apple faithful comment more on MS stories than they do on Apple stories, then bitch about all the Apple haters on Engadget.
APPLE INNOVATION: YOU'LL LIKE WHAT WE TELL YOU TO LIKE!
iTards: Thank you sir, may we have another?
No downrank... just report for trolling.
Can't wait.
I applaud their attempt, but it looks very very broken.
iPhone= looks like something from fisher price
sorry i would never be caught dead with such a gimmicky toy phone. i could understand getting it for your kids or something,but i see grown men playing games on a phone. are you fuckin serious? i use my phone to check emails, get some info quickly from a website, make calls or text. it must be embarassing if youre over 25 and using iphone. Microsoft was one of the first to push mobile computing to the masses with windows ce and mobile, but you'll never hear it because a number of delusional apple nuthuggers cant keep their mouths shut.
i always just keep my thumb fingernails a littttttle longer
and i keep 1 pointy finger with a slightly longer nail
i have never used a stylus on prob the 10 win mobile phones i have had.... except for maybe the occasional web surfing and having to click on a small link
it does look nice .. but it's still like the old versions of WinMo it's Windows on a smaller screen where you use your stylus and since they couldn't convince everybody of the stylus they had to alter their OS to make it a bit finger friendlier because else they loose more potential users to alternatives like OSX and Android even on the corporate base ... and this even though some of the alternatives couldn't copy/paste or send MMS for a while (and if you're completely honest with yourself you know that 90% of the users never use these features during daily life)
the best way for Microsoft would be a radical change where they draw a line and leave the old ms style behind. As long as they don't bring something very unique in design and usability even WinMo7 won't have a chance against Android or OSX ... smart phone or regular phone doesn't matter as it is right now winmo 6.1 and 6.5 do look way to complicated for using without paying attention. you can use your regular phone without looking at even with your iphone you mostly can use it with the largest fingers you just need to hit the virtual keyboard right that's all.. i like the diamond touch it is very pretty to look and to feel but at the moment i have to do an entry into the calendar or add a phone number i loose patience because I have to use that shitty stylus...
so a phone has to be simply for usage and shouldn't keep you too busy focused on your screen so I really wonder when Microsoft will understand this and change course to show everybody that they actually do have the guts to make the perfect OS for everybody
I love how on almost every report on this website it always boils down to an apple vs microsoft brawl in the comments.
Why do people care SO much about to different companies ?
Yeah really. I own 2 Xbox 360s, 3 Windows computers, 3 Apple computers, 3 iPhones in total, and an iPod. I don't give 2 shits about brand. Heck I'm just happy they're both American! :P I just like whats cool. As far as Windows OS vs. OSX, I personally like Windows bit more but don't understand the hate on either side. Both are great platforms, it just comes down to preference and what you need it for.
Yeah it really gets old after a while. I loathe every time I see the comments and only read the highest ranked ones. Engadget needs a comment system like Gizmodo (albeit a less exclusive one) where people can get banned for starting a flame war or saying something stupid. It makes me sick to my stomach having to read through all this fanboy stuff from both sides of the argument.
you sure your thumb and index finger nails are longer just to use on a winmo phone or are they used to "cough cough.....ear man!" hold something else?
count me in
Do all these Apple Lovers have no life??? It seems that every single post about a M$ product they are the first to comment. and then they keep going and going and going. It seems odd for a product they hate so much. It's extremely frustrating for the people that are actually interested in the articles and comments and we get to sift through all this iBullShit! Start your own site with the title something along the lines of "I have no life but I spend the little I have to bash M$" and then leave the rest alone!!!!
I Love my Zune, Xbox360, Fuze, and Vista PCs. and I wouldn't use an Apple product because all my gadgets work great so I have no reason to switch. Unless i start feeling that insecure of myself and feel like i need to fit in more... that'll also be the day that I start dressing and looking like a tool.
LOL, the iPhone is nothing but a slab of electronic with an LCD front. If you think that's a Fisher toy, then I guess you have no future as a toy designer.
This coming from someone who has "Chuck Norris' Kidney" as their sign on...
What would a "real phone" be in your mind? Until MS sells something worth while in this market space, it is what it is. Most of the WinMO phones out there now are garbage.
What else is there in the "Touch" screen market? If not iPhone, tell me? Oh yes, the BB Storm [POS]. Android? Maybe...Palm Pre? Please...until it's available on a better carrier...brick.
MS will never be able to get apple, over the 2 years of confinement iphone, they are still in the stone age. So it was always
6.5 looks like a nice OS. The real test will be in performance/stability. Can't wait to test it!
novoparatus
http://www.novoparatus.com
"...kinda like an iPhone...", yes kinda like every new phone or software release since the iPhone.
Why can't all the other company come up with something innovative, groundbraking like Apple did? (don't argue, you knwo it's true)
Although the iPhone isn't perfect, no other phone beats it's usability and user friendlyness.
That's very sad, since Apple did better with their first phone than many companies did for many years, even though Apple omitted basic features that other phones had. Since the iPhone, all the companies did, was trying to get closer to an iPhone or emphasizing the features it lacked, but noone took a huge step forward.
But I'm pretty sure, that Android will help to get rid off an "always-a-step-behind" WinMo and help to get more interesting phones that allow the hardware to shine without being crippled by WinMo.
Fail. I seriously thought you were being sarcastic at first.
WinMo is a thing of the past as far as market is concerned! Another word, WinMo has become MS DOS of the past!
here's a comparison, if anyone's still interested between WinMo 6.5 and the iPhone. Of course, this is just a comparison based on aesthetics, but still.
http://www.tvlesson.com/video/36612_comparing-iphone-to-windows-6.5.html
The power (in the form of the TG01), the capabilities, the functionality, and the openness of WinMo phones and environment leave the iPhone in the dust.
The iPhone is *STILL* stuck in 2007, and that's after 3 phones and 3 OS's.
It still lacks several several basic features, it's GUI looks stale now, and software wise, it has crap for a library:
http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/app-store-stats-suggest-humans-have-attention-span-of-gnats/1#comments
http://www.neowin.net/news/main/09/08/03/apple-bans-third-most-prolific-developer-from-the-app-store
The iPhone can only do about a fraction of what tweaked out WinMo phones can do, and still lacks many useful apps that would make it worthwhile.
iPhone with 65K apps can only do about a fraction of WinMo? Have you been smoking pole? :) Quit posting while smoking pole! :)
Can't beat WinMo's openness.
I'm still looking for a big blue circle for the "Start," like Vista and Windows 7. What would be more finger-friendly than that?
I put a WM 6.5 ROM on my Dash, slowed her down a bit, still faster and better than Tmo WM 6. Maybe I should have kept it at Wm 6.1 ROM... the fastest my Dash ran...
I bet you wear a turtle neck, don't you!