Snow Leopard build 10A432 goes 'Golden Master,' mischievous sources claim
By Joseph L. Flatley 
posted Aug 12th 2009 12:04PM
posted Aug 12th 2009 12:04PM
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I guess Microsoft won this race.
Microsoft always wins the race
Which race is that?
Leopard was released 9 months after Vista, if that's what you mean.
And the launch date is September for Snow leopard and October for Win7.
Just saying.
Won what? Windows 7 will be in the retail channels a month after Snow Leopard. Apple just has less padding between hitting golden master and release, due to needing less lead time for 3rd parties to wrap up driver development.
Either way, people in the Windows or Mac playgrounds are getting a great OS upgrade here in the next month or two.
since 7>6? Nice marketing trickery there. Remind you of the Xbox360>PS3 much?
Sorry man, OS X 10.2 kicks Windows Ass easily. You guys are about 5 years behind.
Congraturlations on getting your very own pinnable Dock line taskbar though, only 8 years late. It's very impressive. And..the Windows Icon on the left side of the screen? Innovative.
Because Snow Leopard isn't going to be released to different hardware vendors, Apple can move quicker from a Golden Master to release. Looking forward to messing around with it, hopefully it will be on par (if not better than) Windows 7, which a real improvement over Vista in terms of usability.
market share for osx is close to 10%.
meh.
I wish they would just release it for all x86 machines.
anybody know what their corporate market share is?
Well they finished a whole new OS that works just great on cheapo netbooks and pentium 3s before Apple finished a too-large-to-give-away-for-free service pack that wont work on their own powerful enough older computers.
mike: The dock Apple copied from Windows?
http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2008/11/20/happy-anniversary-windows-on-the-evolution-of-the-taskbar.aspx
You do know that the dock is quite a bit different than the task bar...right?
10minutehobo: Yes, Snow Leopard is a service pack in the exact same way that Win 7 is a service pack for Vista. Except Win7 costs a lot more and is more difficult to install.
Snow Leopard is not a service pack, though it's easy to mistake it for one since the vast majority of the changes were under the hood. There have been substantial changes and new technologies introduced, and all OS programs have been rewritten.
I don't know enough about Windows 7 to comment on whether or not it's a service pack, though I'm inclined to think it's not a major update since despite being called Windows 7, its version number is only 6.1 vs. Vista's 6.0. And yes, I'm aware that Apple's version also only went up a point. Apple's version numbering is different than Microsoft's, so that point upgrade indicates something more substantial.
I don't think MS wins on the price, Unless they reduce it.
Hah, you guys are so willing to believe Apple's marketing speak. Even they don't call little improvements as "innovations" or "features" this time around, they're called "refinements". Check it out:
http://www.apple.com/macosx/refinements/
"Refinements" suchs as improved stability, speed, wireless connectivity, search, and what not are INCLUDED for FREE in Vista SP2.
7 on the other hand has those "refinements" built in, AND adds a whole bunch of new features. Which is why it has earned the right to be called a whole new OS.
What about Snow Leopard. I guess the non compatibility with PPC makes it new...
"Refined, NOT reinvented."
This shit is awesome!
@10minutehobo
Well, first off, Apple even admits Snow Leopard is a small incremental upgrade for users, hence the $29 price tag. And even though most of the changes are major API additions under the hood, new features exist as well, like:
Completely new Quicktime, with built in screen recording, quick editing, direct upload support to YouTube or Mobile me, and a new interface that gets rid of the crap and just presents you with your media.
Out of the box Exchange server compatibility for Mail, iCal and Address Book. Kinda funny that OS X has this, but Windows doesn't.
Core Location built in to allow apps to be location aware, including the system to set your time zone properly when traveling.
True, it's not a huge list of new things, but Exchange support for me alone is worth $29. Microsoft wants to charge me $399 for the same thing.
I just want to ask:
Who in their right mind is running Exchange at any sort of consumer level? Seriously, Exchange requires dedicated hardware. Apple licensed Exchange so they can out of the box integrate in a primarily Windows environment. In that same environment, odds are the company has already purchased several licenses for Office, including Outlook, which is basically exchange support. A lot of company licenses also allow for a single home installation, thus giving you exchange support at home, if it even matters to you.
Just throwing that out there. Most people don't need Exchange. Sure it would have been cool, but that kinda inches in on the Office team's turf.
Just to be clear, I'm stoked about this release. I'd like to get SL and play around with it.
I'm just saying that Exchange support is overrated.
(frak, missed the reply button. Weblogs Inc really needs a better comment system, with editing)
@tuaamin13, True, Exchange support isn't useful for a pure home use OS. However, it is nice to have to easily be able to keep up with work e-mail at home. I can't stand Entourage, nor do I like firing up a VM to run Outlook in. And the web access to Exchange sucks if your not running Internet Explorer in Windows (yet another trip to the VM for just e-mail, no thanks).
Also, Google Apps offers Exchange support, so there are businesses out there not investing in the Exchange overhead, but still getting the same benefits. Now these businesses no longer need an Office license for their Mac users.
I wonder why benchmarks disappeared.
Two scenarios:
1. They weren't good.
2. Confidentiality agreement and all that.
Why would good/bad have anything to do with benchmark postings?
I'm sure it's just legal matters.
If the benchmarks did show a general improvement, Apple should've had no reason to want to take 'em down. People have been benchmarking Windows 7 left and right ever since the Beta, and I've not once seen Microsoft ask someone to take it down. I'm sure Snow Leapord will perform at minimum on par with Leapord, but I couldn't imagine much reason to no want the public in on good news.
They could have been removed by Geekbench because of TOS violations as well. It doesn't have to be Apple that forced them down.
Windows 7 FTW!
A thoughtful post. My compliments.
can't we all just get along? WIN7, Snow Leopard, and Ubuntu are all pretty great operating systems. They all have their pros and cons, and the smart ones among us will be honest enough to admit that.
Najakwa is correct.
I'm excited to try out both.
This whole "fanboy" thing you guys all go crazy about is rather sad.
@Najakwa: Screw you! Mint beats the pants off Ubuntu any day! (Joking, of course)
... and to all of those who claim that pro-MS people here get high ranked and pro-apple people get low ranked, you can take a look at PeterF's post and quickly see that you're wrong.
Note: Not saying he didn't deserve it, but it still serves as a counter point since the anti-MS/pro-apple people here that get low ranked generally have equally annoying comments.
Hah I never really do that.
It is kind of fun to stir people up, I guess I see the fun Paul A gets out of doing it. He is still a douche though.
"can't we all just get along? WIN7, Snow Leopard, and Ubuntu are all pretty great operating systems. They all have their pros and cons, and the smart ones among us will be honest enough to admit that."
Just that OS X is better than all of them. Just like Canon beats Nikon.
(just kidding!)
HAHAHA I see the trolls have come early..
or not early enough
I will upgrade my PC to 8, but I'm not spending another dime on this lemon Mac of mine. $2400 later and Im still trying to figure out what all the praise for these things are. For $1200 it would have been a nice system, but for that price, it runs absolutely no better than my PC an crashes no less. And the PC actually is fairly quicker (for $1200 less). After having this thing for a year or so, I think people back the hell out of them, because they are trying to convince themselves that they actually are getting their extra grand worth.
Wow...$2400. That MUST mean quality.
Attempt to get rid of the terabytes of porn you have archived, that might do the trick. It might have herpes.
Ah...the trolls have arrived. You're right...you should have bought a $400 DELL; you would have been happier, as would the rest of the world...
What are you trying to do, and what are you doing to the thing when it crashes?
I've had my Mac since November 2006 and aside from a few stray crashes, it's been rock solid. Pretty much equal with Windows XP (when the drivers aren't fucked up) and Vista. It's also been plenty fast for everything I've thrown at it, faster in some cases simply due to the environment supporting the tools I needed natively (instead of through hackish compatibility layers.)
@Cousin Eddie: Yes, because sharing his/her personal story with a Mac is trolling. Seriously? The term trolling is being way overused.
Macs may be expensive, but I wouldn't go for cheap anything, especially PCs. Both my desktops and laptop on XP only lasted a year and a half before things slowed down to a crawl. For all it's faults (which are becoming increasingly evident with app store issues) I reckon the Apple ecosystem is well worth the admission. Especially with a student discount :-)
Amazing... You losers cry about your PC's crashing all the time. I tell you about my Mac crashing and you become all defensive and blame it on porn. The fact that someone telling their negative experience with Apple, somehow makes you directly feel insecure says alot about you. Try get a life and maybe you won't feel the need to defend a name brand, like your life depended on it.
bought a mac 3 or 4 years ago (PowerBook G4), broke 3 times (defective motherboard first time, defective mother board second time, defective wireless 3rd time). I was shocked, thankfully Apples customer service was great, but being without a 1,500 laptop weeks at a time was a huge pain.
Needless to say, I never bought a Mac again.
Grammar Delinquent..
Must have been all that porn. And the fact that you even dare say you had a negative experience with Mac, angers me to know end. You obviously are a lying troll. May you burn in hell...
That was complete sarcasm for those so blinded by their loyalty to name brands that they can't see straight.
My porn comment was a joke ...sort of. computers have issues: I have had macs and PCs act all sorts of weird. A computer going awry can be aweful and I feel your pain. I would not, however, draw a line in the sand and make an unwaivering opinion about an OS because of one computer.
missionsparta: those of us who have decades more experience with Macs than you do recognize that Macs don't just crash all the time, and if yours is then there's a reason for it. Usually it's 3rd party software that does it, sometimes it's faulty hardware. So far you haven't bothered to say why it's crashing, what the circumstances were or give us any information at all except to insinuate that it crashes all the time.
Which model Mac is it? Which OS? Which software is crashing? How much RAM do you have? What is the error message you get when it crashes? Also, it's easy to say "I can build a PC for half the price that's exactly the same", but if you try to actually do it, it never works out that way.
Honestly, I have to wonder what you're trying to do with your system if it crashes. I've been a Mac user since 2004 - I'm an IT professional, and do lots of heavy lifting on all 3 of my Macs. Do you know how many times it's crashed?
7.
Yes, in nearly 5 years I've had 7 crashes. At least 2 of those were Firefox (which is just stupid to use on a Mac, IN MY OPINION).
Well Zak,
I have had years more experience with PC's than you. If you had a PC and it continued to crash over and over, there's a reason for it. Usually it's 3rd party software that does it, sometimes it's faulty hardware. So far you haven't bothered to say why your PC's crashed, what the circumstances were or given us any information at all except to insinuate that PC's crash all the time.
Which model PC is it? Which OS? Which software is crashing? How much RAM do you have? What is the error message you get when it crashes? Also, it's easy to say "Mac's never crash", but if you try to actually use on, it often does.
Seriously? You think being a copycat constitutes a good argument? Especially since it doesn't make any sense, because I didn't mention PCs at all?
Basically what you just told me is that you're lying about the whole thing, since you can't supply any specifics. So nice try troll, go back under your bridge.
Argument? I stated that I did not like my Mac... and here you come like the Apple Superhero to defend your name-brand. I don't like my Mac because it crashed. I don't have to give you a break down of everything with it to vilify my statement. The only argument here is you calling me a liar because I own a product similar to yours and your upset I think mine is garbage. I told you I was lying? The fact that you are in here arguing with everyone that does not like their Mac or the company tells me that everything out of your mouth is a one-sided lie. Troll? hahahahha. yeah... I am troll because the Mac that Apple sold me is garbage. By your constitution, the only way to rid myself of your "troll' title, is to lie and say my Mac is a fantastic product. Well it isn't. It is a hunk of garbage. After you are done clinching your chest, drop dead, little boy.
he obviously doesnt know how to use a computer, or his money. what a douche.