Kaleidescape gets in line behind RealDVD for rough treatment
By Steven Kim 
posted Aug 13th 2009 7:56PM
posted Aug 13th 2009 7:56PM
When it rains it pours -- right on the heels of the punishing blow dealt to RealDVD, the money-laden Kaleidescape crowd suffered its own setback at the hands of the law. You just know that the DVD CCA (Copy Control Association) appealed the 2007 ruling that allowed Kaleidescape owners to rip DVDs to their media servers, and yesterday a California Appeals Court overturned that ruling. Next stop -- the Santa Clara Superior Court, which could place an injunction on Kaleidescape if the appeal is upheld. It's not over yet, but we're prepping the soundboard with ominous music, boos and noisy hand-wringing. Whatever (and whenever) the outcome, we can only hope that Blu-ray's Managed Copy comes to the scene sooner rather than later and settles this issue for our beloved HD content
The California Appeals Court is pretty much responsible for the entire disintegration of society, morals, and is the harbinger of the death of any sensibilities we have left.
Jeez, anything more you can put on them? Like maybe they're responsible for the death of Michael Jackson?
they were responsible for Micheal Jackson! And, I'm pretty sure they were also responsible for Disco.
Republik of Kalifornia is evil and must be destroyed before they dismantle society as we know it.
In a way I'm kind of glad this is happening just because it gets more visibility. Hopefully it will all fall on its face in favor of both Kaleidascape and RealDVD. In any case, I give the middle finger to Big Content as I continue to rip my purchased DVDs and stream them across my LAN.
While I would certainly like that to be the case, I really don't think either
product has enough visibility for this to make any sort of impact. To most
people this sort of stuff is invisible. They are blissfully unaware of the sort
of "flying cars" they could be using if not for industry sandbagging.
Fuck Managed Copy. It's just a way "ok, instead of locking you in a jail cell with cuffs and shackles, we're gonna let you wander around in your cell. But you're still gonna be treated like criminals, because we hate you. Give us your money."
Fuck 'em. You know for a FACT that it'll fuck up and either be extremely restrictive, not work at all, or be broken out of the gate and disabled.
@smak
That's pretty funny, on what basis do you make that (bizzare) claim?
DRM = bad
Managed Copy = DRM
Msnaged Copy = bad
Managed copy is just ONLY slightly less restrictive/obnoxious than for DVD's. It's kinda similar to failed iTunes DRM copy management. I promise you Managed Copy will get it's chance to piss you off.
And the RIAA and MPAA wonder why their businesses are going into the shitter (MPAA, DVD CCA, same shit). It is truly unbelievable how stupid they are. They absolutely refuse to accept that the marketplace has completely changed. People want content that they *legally purchased* to be made available on ALL devices they own whenever they want it.
But NO! Why should people who have legally purchased content do whatever they want to with it? They claim it's because of piracy, that big bad P word, which dictates their entire business model today. Their business models (for quite a while, actually) revolve around eliminating technology which can provide the *possibility* of being used to conduct piracy. Don't they realize that their stance is: A.) Unpopular with consumers, and B.) Hurting their business in the short and long run? What's sad, is that whenever they open up their content, such as removing DRM, they actually *gain* sales. But yet, they refuse to see that.
People are going to conduct piracy whether you like it or not. It can't and won't be stopped. They have been completely unsuccessful at stopping piracy, and if anything, their "efforts" have actually encouraged piracy to occur even more. When will they realize this?
I could only vote up your comment once, therefor I'm replying to say that I want to click 'vote up' about 1000 more times and also state that I could have NOT said it better myself!
Thank you Kyle. :)
Bravo.
This is all about trying to cling on to a dead business model and to ensure they control whatever new comes along. It's using the law to prevent any kind of innovation that might shift control away from the established power base.
It's sickening.
+1
Wish I could vote you straight to the top,. well said
Fah Q
what the??? Did Amazon and Sony pay them to stop them form releasing the beast?
RealNetworks and Kaleidascape are not the only potential victims of this ruling. Other high-end equipment manufacturers such as Escient (With its Vision Line of DVD servers) and AMX (with its MediaMax servers) are placed in the same dilemma. The one possible saving grace for AMX and Escient are that this ruling was in the 9th District. As such, (I believe) that , for the time being, this ruling has no jurisdiction over other districts. AMX is located in Texas and Escient's parent company is in Tokyo. They may face restrictions on product distribution within the jurisdiction of the 9th Circuit; but unless and until other district courts review the matter (or the supreme court) the rest of the country is not bound by this ruling. Considering that the 9th district has a record for the largest number of rulings being overturned, there remains a glimmer of hope that rights of individuals who purchase DVD's to backup their disks to computers, media servers or whatever other device they possess, will be preserved. It will be up to the authorities to go after those who make and distribute unauthorized copies of the media.
In the long-run, I do not believe that it is in the best interest of studios to piss-off their loyal customer base. I personally have a collection of about 500 DVD's, which I manage through an older Escient product (DVDM-100). If I was unable to utilize the cataloging, sorting, and rapid sorting features that such hardware allows, I doubt if I would have ever purchased so many disks. (What use is it to have so many movies, if you can't find what you want when you want it. Granted, my older system relies on multiple 400 Disk changers, I am likely to upgrade (courts permitting) to one of the newer units that allow me to rip the DVD's to internal storage and stream them throughout the house. The ability for multiple family members to individually watch different movies from the server, at the same time is too convenient to pass up.
Hopefully the Supreme Court will overturn this ruling, or worst case Hollywood and the Hardware Manufacturers will realize that it is in their best mutual interest to come to some agreement. One major example would involve Sony. They have a vast movie library that they would like to sell. At the same time, they are the sole provider of Disk Changers for Escient. (In fact they extended the product life of the CX-777 changer well beyond its normal product cycle, due to the fact that it is the only changer that worked with the Escient products. (After Kenwood dropped their Sovereign line). I don't think that I (or anyone else) can name a DVD Player / Changer which maintained a life cycle of 6+ years. (From what I understand, it will finally be retired, now that Sony has released its 400 Disk BD changers, which will also work with the Escient Products.)
Long story made short -> I don't think that this will be any kind of death-blow for legal DVD ripping. There is simply too much money to be made by both sides of the controversy for it to be driven underground. Perhaps there will be some licensing fees negotiated, but somewhere, somehow, something will be worked out. (JMHO)
Of Course, I could be wrong. Only time will tell.
What a mouthful, you should have writtent the story instead haha