Canon might have announced a
slew of new compacts today, but we're thinking the most exciting news might be this image of the legendary
EOS 7D. That flash button would indicate the presence of a built-in flash, and those mic holes hint at video features, but apart from that we've got little else to go on -- there are whispers that the Best Buy inventory system is listing the body at $2700 and the kit with an EF 28-135 lens at $2900, but we can't verify those at the moment. We're dying to find out more about this one, stay tuned.
[Thanks, manhog]
Read - 7D image at dpreview forums
Read - 7D in Best Buy systems at Canon Rumors
posted August 19th 2009 11:19AM
Rumors say it will be announced on the 25th. I sure hope it will, cause I need a new camera!
I don't quite get the naming scheme here.The lower numbers are usually reserved for the pro models. The pricing seems to support this. This may just be a load of rubbish.
How to decode Canon's numbering scheme. Pick any two cameras and follow each step until the two cameras differ. The better/worse designation at that step will distinguish the two cameras.
1. First, is if a "1"? If so, it's better. Skip to step 5.
2. Does it start with a letter? If so, it's really old and it's worse. Skip to step 4.
3. More digits in main number = worse.
4. Higher numeric value = better.
5. More letters/numbers after the main number = better.
There ya go. Note that this heuristic works only for the official model numbers, not the regional names (Rebel, Kiss, etc.) Can anyone think of a model that doesn't match this heuristic?
I forgot to mention: this only works for Canon DSLRs.
@ Ethan
the t1i starts with a letter and is brand new.
# 2 should really be "If it starts with a letter, it's either entry level. (T and X) or old"
......but yeah, Canon's naming mechanism isn't great. :(
It's not that hard to decode Canon's DSLR numbering schemes:
Single digit - Pro: 1D, 1Ds, 5D, 5D MK II
Double digit - Prosumer: 10D, 20D, 50D
Triple digit - Consumer: 300D, 400D, 500D
Quad digit - Entry level: 1000D
The Rebel letters, XT, XTi, XSi, etc... are vanity model names for the triple digit cameras in the United States. The numeric model numbers are still the actual model number.
So... if it seems like the 7D would be in the Pro category... unless Canon wants to throw away 9 years of model number consistency.
It's just the rebranding of what would be the 60D. It won't be $2000+ as Canon doesn't have any reason to crowd its lineup.
Going from 50D to 7D would cause a whole lot more confusion. I would say that the 7D would be a APS-H (1.3 crop if I'm not mistaken). That's most logical.
It seems to be an update to the 5D.
@Steve
Then why not call it the 5D Mark III?
Also, you do not kit a 5D with the EF 28-135 f/3.5-5.6 IS. The 5D deserves at least an L lens, like the 24-105 f/4L.
I well, the rumors place it at the same price as the current 5D MKII, and the kit is only 200 extra, not exactly enough for good glass. Price seems to suggest 5D replacement, guess we will wait and see.
Calling the 60D a 7D would be really confusing. Hopefully that's not the case.
unless, i suppose, the 50D continues to sell, but for less, and the 7D is more between the 50 and the 5dmII... er, nevermind. it's confusing.
"legendary 7D"? So it's become a legend before it's taken a single photo in anger!
Surely you mean mythical?
I don't like the look of that pop up flash - bang goes full weather sealing.
Rubbish...
The photo looks like the interior of a car.
I hope not - I've only just dropped £2000 on a 5D Mark II!!!
I always manage to buy at the wrong time! lol!
No need to have buyers remorse. The 5D Mark II will be an excellent machine for some time.
It will only improve from here!
No need to be worried. If it's true the kit comes with the EF 28-135 f/3.5-5.6 /non-L/ lens, you have every reason to believe that it is a class lower than the 5D (which comes with a superior 24-105 f/4L lens in the kit).
Same here! If this is a FF with lower mp (ie. better low light performance) then I'm going to hate myself.
Looks interesting, and I don't see the photo being a fake... Looks convincing to me. I too think it's something between the 5D and the 60D, they are running out of numbers because there is a 10D already. I wonder what they will call a model between the 7D and the two digit models... 7.5D?
Maybe a full frame but slightly more consumer camera? Less sealing, flash, something like a 50/60D, but with a full frame sensor? Though I'm not sure if there is the need for such a camera...
Surely it must be full-frame. A 28-135 isn't wide enough on a 1.3x or 1.6x crop body. If it was EF-S, then why wouldn't they include the 17-85mm instead?
I'm imagining a 5D with slightly lower specs, maybe smaller ISO range and only 720p video
I dont get it, so is this the successor to the 50d or the 5dmkii???
I think it is going to sit right between 5D and 50D. The 5D Mk II successor will probably be named 5D Mk III, the 50D successor 60D.
What's up with missing 6D or is it for another line like the TenDs or 100Ds or somehting...
What, no blurry picture? :)
No, this time the picture was not provided by Mr. Blurrycam. This picture comes from Mr. Macrocam.
Canon has the worst naming conventions in the history of consumer electronics
No. Pentax has, at least amongst DSLRs (has anyone ever understood the gazillions of names Samsung and Panasonic has for their consumer cameras?)
Pentax MZ-D, *ist D (star ist D? star i s t d? asterisk i s t d?), *ist DS, *ist DS2, *ist DL, *ist DL2, then they changed the system. K100D and K110D (the 100D is the better one), K10D, K10D Grand Prix, K10D Super, K200D. Yet a system change. K-m, K-7. There is hardly a system in these names at all, and some of them are even hard to say. Would you have thought that the *ist D is the flagship and the DS...DL2 are "lesser" models? Despite being at times better. Or that DS is better than DL? The only time it made a bit sense was with the K10D/K100D system... more digits = less pro, higher number = newer model. Trust me, the Canon naming scheme is simple and makes sense.
It's just a new model taking over from the 50D, rather than calling it the 60D as they sound too similar to Nikon, like the D80. Its not a replacement to the 5D. The lower the number, the better the camera. 1D is their best one, 5D is a pro camera and the 7D will be their professional consumer model. The price does surprise me though, it doesnt sound right.
I don't think so. 1Ds Mk III > 1D Mk III > 5D Mk II > 7D > 50D > 500D > 1000D. Each camera has it's own segment, so the 7D will be between the 5D Mk II and the 50D... eg. a 50D with a full frame sensor (look at the bundled lens... as someone mentioned here it shouts full frame, and the integrated flash shouts less pro than the 5D Mk II). Makes more sense to me.
I believe this will take over where the 5D2 left off. Seeing as how the 5D is ancient and the 5DII is only an upgraded ancient camera (a super super darn excellent one at that) I think the 7D will compete with the D700 and have improved AF and FPS
I think this could turn out to be 50D specs (build wise and sealing, small form with added grip etc) but with a FF 15MP sensor and 1080p 30fps video.
Although as a photographer who already has a 5D and MK2 & 40D's, i'd actually prefer the standard 50D 1.6 crop chip with improved low light capabilities and a higher FPS of around 6-7 and 1080p. The crop always saves me a bomb on not having to buy longer telephoto primes.
oh, and PLEASE Canon - NOT the dreaded 9 point AF again!
Saves you money on telephotos? You can just crop the picture seeing as that's what a crop sensor does it doesn't make your 200mm into a 320mm but it gives the same perspective of a 320mm.
So you're a pedantic so and so. I think you fully understand what is implied by 'turns your 200 into a 320'.
yes I know that...but in my experience you get a better IQ with the crop sensors versus a cropped higher resolution image in the first place. I take it you have experience of doing both like I do?
If it's a choice of using a 300mm 2.8 L IS at £3700 or using a 70-200 2.8L IS at £1200 on a crop for 320mm and a better image quality that cropping a FF - you decide.
I'd rather have the full frame sensor, very wide angle lenses are so expensive :(
@ Kadajawi
Not compared to the telephoto lenses they're not! Canon's 10-22mm, or the Sigma or even Tamron's version are all great value for money around the £280-500 mark.
When you looking at having to spend £10,000 on an 800mm lens i'd rather save £5K and stick a 500mm on a 1.6 crop body!
If IQ was of utter importance the 300mm F 2.8 is sharper than the 70-200
No - as I said, length relative to money invested is the most important thing here. IQ is better from a 1.6 crop body 10MP than a crop from a 12 MP image - it has nothing to do with the 300mm having a better IQ that the 70-200 because as we have been discussing one would be used on a FF and the other on a crop body.
Sure, I grant you - I wish I had the money to put an 800mm on a 1Ds, but I don't!
this is obviously fake, a 7D with flash would be a lower version than the 5D because the flash takes up space for the prism and therefore the prism will have less coverage, so it will be cheaper than 2700 5D mark II. one more thing is that Canon will NEVER offer a 28-135 for only $ 200 more
Give me a body with the 5D's size and FF sensor, but with the 1D's 45 point AF system and AF-linked spot metering. I'll buy that one.
Was about to jump on a 5d mk II. Will wait a few more weeks. The retailers here have very low stocks, so perhaps this is the reason (running down stock for the 7d?)
I don't think this is a 5D MkII successor. It is filling the space between the 50D and 5D MkII. The low stocks are due to the 5D MkII selling well.
But then again I see what you're saying.
I really want a 70-200 2.8 IS BAD.
I suppose it's possible to fake the image, though the way I would fake it is take a photo of a fake object. Way too much work in my opinion.
I really want to get a 5D II, but when I looked at the lenses that I would want equivalent to what I already shoot that costed me a total of $1500 so far, it's really tough, I'd be spending $5k for a decent range of what I'd call basic lenses for the 5D. And Canon doesn't really have much of reach that's affordable and not stupid, I mean, the 100-400 costs $1400 for a ridiculous push-pull style zoom, a type known to be more prone to let dust into the camera than the standard style used by every other zoom lens currently sold.
This may be a little of topic but I have to comment about Canon customer service. I have a Canon Powershot A80. It is over 6 years old. The LCD stopped working. I thought I would send an email to Canon based on a recall I found regarding these LCD's malfunctioning. Withing 5 days from sending this email I had a repaired camera LCD at absolutely no cost to me. They paid for shipping and repair. I wish all companies ran their customer service in this manner. All my video and photo products are Canon and from this day forward I will never consider buying anything other than Canon.
I have my finger's crossed that it is a 5D II with a built in flash and a ton of AF points. I was thinking of jumping ship from Canon to Nikon. I am really limited by the number of AF points on my XTI so was thinking of switching to the D700 because the 5D II still only has 9 points and no flash. While im dreaming, how about in-body IS so i can get some IS love with my primes!!!
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/207/maybe7d.jpg
whats your thought on this :)
Not that I can afford to buy it right at the moment I would like to sees it specs and the direction that Canon is moving. I already have an 'OK' DSLR but it maybe be my camera in a year or two or maybe the next generation after this.
Maybe the 7D will fill the gap between the 5D mkII and the 50D - but will they update the 50D anytime soon?