Nikon D300s spotted and tested at Best Buy with its little brother, still does that jelly video thing
By Tim Stevens 
posted August 28th 2009 6:52AM
posted August 28th 2009 6:52AM
posted August 28th 2009 6:52AM
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Mmm... Jelly
Jelly effect? Can we all be big boys and girls and call it "rolling shutter effect"? There are PC-based software solutions available today. We should be seeing internal software solutions or improved sensors in the near future, but until then, it is what it is.
Totally agree. And since when was it important to be able to swing the camera from side to side when taking a video? I am quite happy with the video my D90 gives, mainly because I keep the camera still or pan slowly.
If you could get a Canon EOS Digital Rebel Xsi with 18-55 IS Lens Kit (6500 miles) or D60 (7000 miles) for free (Air Miles doesn't have anything higher end. meh) which would u get?
I shoot Nikon, My friend shoots Canon; I don't think it really matters.
I'm probably going to go with the Canon even though brand doesn't really matter in this case since I like both, but seems like the Xsi would be a pretty good starter dslr. I already have a Sony HDR-SR12 vid cam. I want get something more user controllable then my ancient SD200 Digital Elph.
Advice: go to a Best Buy and hold both of them. See which fits your hand better, which has a better button layout for you.
Canon lenses are cheaper than Nikon
some argue better, so I shoot Canon
That looks just like a video I would have taken with my casio point and shoot. What gives?
It's the great video quality equalizer called YouTube.
Actually your point and shoot casio will look much nicer, it probably uses a CCD sensor and thus won't have the 'Jelly' distortions.
What the hell are these 'jelly' distortions? What 'should' the actual result be when swinging the camera around quickly?
(If there is some noise involved I don't have speakers on this computer here)
Are they expecting people to take good video while running with this camera? I'm more interested in a bunch of other image quality tests and usability.
CMOS rolling shutter effect explained and contrasted to CCDs: http://dvxuser.com/jason/CMOS-CCD/
Let's take the video posted in the article for example. Look closely at the pillars and other vertical edges and see how they become diagonal instead of straight vertical. In fact, the whole store appears skewed (one way, then the other way).
CCD sensors don't exhibit this effect due to having 'global shutters'. So the pillars and the rest of the store would just appear without distortion as the camera pans back and forth.
You can't attach a 500mm, fisheye or another other lens to your point and shoot camera... that seems a huge advantage to me
I'd use the miles for a meh-detector
I upgraded my DSLR and all I got was a video mode nobody asked for. *sad internet face*
Well if people are upgrading from D300 to a D300, then that's pretty stupid.
D300 user's next step is the D700 or the D3x.
Well, perhaps. Considering that if someone has a D300 and a large selection of DX format lenses, and no (FX?) lenses, then an upgrade from a D300 to a D700 or D3/x would be alot more costly, as the DX lenses are more or less useless on a full frame sensor. I suppose you could still sell everything, but full-frame compatible lenses are pricey above and beyond any of the DX lenses.
it might have some limitations, but you can still pull off some amazing things with it if you work around/with them.
The funny thing is that the D5000 and higher all use CMOS sensors but the D3000 and lower all use CCD. If they would just give the lower end cameras the ability to shoot video it would be better quality than this garbage.
the D3000 is the lowest it goes. Besides the D40
The sensor from the D3000 is the same that used in the D60 and that one is the same that they used in the D80. So actually they are moving away from CCD and to CMOS. I think it mainly a cost thing and ISO thing. I haven't seen any DSLR with video that uses a CCD chip.
If there's one thing you can count on Engadget for, it's for them to be fanboys of Sony, Canon, and Microsoft. Everything else sucks.
I think you forgot about Apple, dummy.
weak
Do people really go to Bestbuy and spend $1800 on a camera? People actually do that?
That camera is that same you buy everywhere, same box, same support, so why not go for the lowest price?
That was my point actually, Bestbuy rarely has the lowest price (at least here in Miami), it is markup retail hell. I guess they have to pay the saleskids commission or something. I wouldn't want to try doing a return or exchange on an item like that if there was a problem.
I don't understand your question.
All the time. People also go to Guitar Center to buy $3400 PRS Customs. What's your point?
Maybe not Best Buy, but I do go to my local camera store and pay retail for some items. I'm willing to do that because the staff there actually does know a boat load more about photography than I do, and I can walk in there anytime and get free help with my photo gear, and I get free or discounted classes when I buy a new camera. They have earned my business, and I have no problem spending a little extra. Not always, but much of the time.
Fuck video.
Gimme an option to buy the same camera without video (At a lower price) any day.
As a matter of fact, used D300, here I come!
Agreed
@synn >> "Fuck video. Gimme an option to buy the same camera without video (At a lower price) any day."
How much was the regular D300 when it first came out?
You're getting a D300s with *more* features for the same price as the old D300... (even if you don't want the new features)
Progress man... it's tough to stop.
IF the video on Nikon's DSLRs was any good... I doubt it would be a problem. People *love* the video on the 5D Mk II. Those that don't need it simply don't use it. Video doesn't hurt the 5D Mk II.
But, Canon is NOT going to make two models... 5D Mk II -and- and 5D Mk II with Video.
And neither would Nikon. So, I guess you're stuck with having video on a DSLR (but you don't have to use it...)
Michael scrip: You're talking progress?
3D object tracking with 51 AF points? That's progress.
More efficient batteries? That's progress too.
Faster burst rate? You guessed it, progress.
Unbelievably clean shots at high ISO? Take a wild guess.
A video mode? Now THAT's a shitty attempt at convergence.
Canon, Nikon and for that matter, none of the major players should forget that their PRIMARY customer base consists of PHOTOGRAPHERS who aren't too keen to pay for features that aren't related to PHOTOGRAPHY. It's quite alright that they're looking for some extra sales, but offer us the same camera without video. Much like how Ferrari offers a stripped down Scuderia version for people who use their cars for the intended purpose rather than as a prop to score some.
That's all we ask and I don't think that's too much.
Michael Mann ain't gonna use one of these...
Seriously, that's pretty bad. Of course you can try to work around it, but IIRC the 5D Mk II performs better in this category...
>> "the 5D Mk II performs better in this category..."
Which category?
The category where the 5D Mk II is $900 more than the D300s?
The jelly video one. True, the 5D is more expensive, but it also performs much better.
That's it, I'm sitting tight with my D50 until a D90s comes out. It's gotta be any day now, what with today's rumors of a D700s coming soon. A D90s can't be far behind.
gotta love the flash sync speed on the D50!
"while the new auto-focus seemed to work reasonably well (if slowly -- and noisily)"
you're reviewing the camera right? not the lense? slow and noisily are due to the lense not the camera
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