Ladies and gentlemen, our long, global nightmare is over. Alright, that's a significant overstatement -- but Nokia's lack of capacitive adoption has unquestionably hurt opinion of its
5800 and
N97 models, the first to use its touch-ready S60 5th Edition platform. Happily,
afterdawn.com is reporting -- and we've been able to independently confirm -- that the
X6 will indeed be using a capacitive display, something that we suspect will significantly improve usability if you're not interested in using a stylus (or plectrum, as the case may be) to navigate your way through the interface. For the record, Samsung's already proven that S60 5th is totally doable with capacitive tech on its
i8910 HD, so we're sure Nokia's going to be able to pull this off with aplomb -- the real question might be whether this signals a wholesale abandonment of resistive across the range. Since resistive's cheaper, we wouldn't be surprised to see it continue to hang around on the low end for some time to come, but at least we've now got the choice. Sadly, it's too late to save the
N900's screen -- but now that
Maemo's made the bold leap into GSM telephony, maybe we'll see some worthy capacitive action the next time around.
posted Sep 2nd 2009 12:23PM
If no Android or OSX, I have the capacity to resist.
OSX? Huh?
@GRAMMAR PLOD - iPhone OS was originally called OS X iPhone...
Same here.
@LondonConsultant
But... now it isn't. Do you call Vista "Longhorn?"
Nice one, Chris. It's good to see there's still one staffer we can rely on (mostly - I still disagree with your assessment of the 5800 :) ) to get it right.
Incidentally, Nokia's site say this will also cope with mini-QWERTY and Chinese handwriting recognition so this looks to be an awesome implementation as that's really difficult to do on a cap screen.
You're stupid. It's not difficult at all. It's been done already on the iPhone and Samsung i8910 HD.
Think before you type, misinformed and deluded fanboy.
Really? The iPhone has a mini-Qwerty?
Or is there an app for it?
Plus, of course, the idea of having an 'effective' (and that's the keyword) Chinese handwriting recognition ability is so you don't accidentally order the obliteration of Moscow when all you really wanted was some Dim Sum due to the cack handed implementation that most cap screens currently offer.
@Mark
If with mini-querty they mean a portrait keyboard that takes 1/4th of the screen that would be amazing. I guess though it'll be more like half the screen.
I've been using my i8910 for a month or so now and I find my ability to accurately click little links without zooming in on webpages getting better and better on it's cap screen (I've now reached the level where the advantages of a resistive screen do not dawn on me anymore hehe).
However, when using the famous Virtualkeyboard app (google for it, and get a cert or a hacked phone if you want to install it) I can't type decently on the 1/4 screen KB app... well it was made for use with a stylus hehe. So I'll wait for them russians to release a next version... or maybe even Samsung will one day give me a portrairt querty :-) :-) :-)
Lets say engadgets right, and Nokia 5800 has been suffering in sales for resistive screen....
As its sold about 7 million in 10 months, imagine how many it would have sold if engadget were right.
I don't think there would have been much difference one way or other, resistive or capasiteve sales. But just if there's any more preference to capasitive than resistive this is going to sell like crazy, as its beefed up 5800 with infinite better looks.
ps. we have the first xseries phones
pps. seems nobody else but me have notiiced that there wasn't any cseries phones.
ppps. As Nokia is delaying the Comes With Music in US and X6 is available only as a CWM phone, guess what. "No soup for you". US will just have to wait
pppps could be the CWM US delay is becouse of this phone. The projected sales might have gone through the roof and by delaying CWM Nokia didn't have to sell old model to US, but release X6 together with CWM
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What have you got against resistive screens? I actually quite prefer them to capacitive ones. You get better precision, it's easier to use in cold conditions, and you can use a stylus with it, which enables hand writing recognition.
Resistive is being made out a lot worse than it is, but i guess if apple had put a resistive screen in the iphone you'd been whining about the capacitive screens in the i8910, the hero or the pre.
"What have you got against resistive screens? I actually quite prefer them to capacitive ones. You get better precision, it's easier to use in cold conditions, and you can use a stylus with it, which enables hand writing recognition.
Resistive is being made out a lot worse than it is, but i guess if apple had put a resistive screen in the iphone you'd been whining about the capacitive screens in the i8910, the hero or the pre."
quoted for truth
I'll tell you exactly why: sensitivity. Resistive displays have "give" before you register a press, which makes it far easier to mistype and also to "skip" along the display while dragging and scrolling which leads to accidental presses. And for the record, your random iPhone jab is lazy and uninformed.
Not sure about that, Chris - haptic feedback makes it pretty straightforward and if I was really critical I could point out that the iPhone needs an awesome predictive text facility to make it usable at all but that would be churlish of me.
...
Oh bugger.
Resistive is far more usable than capactive. It is easier to tap on a link without having to zoom in first like on the iPhone. It is far far more accurate and allows me to use it in winter without having to remove my glooves first. Note taking, scribbling, drawing and handwriting recognition is also not possible with capacitive.
My guess is all this hate for resistive is just an excuse to flame competitor's of Apple.
Yet another fool called KIFF. Please, stay in your cave with your ancient technology. Just because you don't know what's possible with capacitive screens doesn't mean you should spread your idiocy around the internet.
You seem to be the one stuck in a cave, unable to try anything that isn't made by Apple. Your username proves just as much.
I rarely zoom in to hit links on websites. I just put my big thumb over the link I want to hit and 9/10 times it does what I want.
I don't really mind resistive screens (my past touchscreen phones had resistive screens). It's just that capacitive works better for me.
You really are stupid. Wow. Nice try, though -- you produced marginally better (yet still false) insults than the rest of the Nokia fanboys on Engadget.
Learn from KIFF, Mark Anderson, Al, Aaron and the others. Despite being stupid, he is far more capable with words than you are.
Chris and Engadget, your ignorant gripe towards resistive technology makes you look less and less intelligent in your jobs.
You can see the audience's opinion for yourselves. For the past handful of posts concerning touchscreen technology you have had a unanimous audience feedback declaring you as having gone overboard regarding your gripe on resistive technology. User comments defining your remarks as slander have been ranked highly or highest.
There are obvious advantages in both technologies for mobile phone use. You seem to disregard the advantages of the other. I personally would never want that from my technology journalist.
Like you said, it's great Nokia is broadening it's use of touch screen technology, but your tired remarks like "Sadly, it's too late to save the N900's screen" make you look half-wit and ignorant.
You declare N900's screen a POS. Tell me where did you test it with your own damn fingers?
I don't know what you all are smoking, but resistive sucks. I've owned a buttload of resistive phones, and the Pre is the first one I actually feel like I can navigate quickly and efficiently. Resistive is a lot more work.
And more accurate? How do you figure? I haven't noticed that...
I'm fine for choices, but lets not exaggerate the benefits of resistive. Handwriting recognition? OK, maybe
I dunno, Sisyphus, it depends on the implementation. The iPhone and (presumably) the Pre have good cap screens. The LG Prada's was awful. Similarly, the resistive touchscreen on some of the HTC WinMo phone's were rubbish whereas the 5800's is OK.
I almost start crying of joy when I see that I'm not alone in this world... Capacitive touch screens are completely unusable. Especially if you happen to be a lady with long nails. Pointing with a nail is exact and comfortable, you don't need any stylus -- but it can only be done on resistive screens. I'm soooo happy that the HTC Touch Diamond(s) have a resistive screen, and that Nokia N900 will have it too. Gives me at least *some* choice in this bleak world of capacitive screens.
Wow. First of all, Chris, interesting that you should say that my random iPhone jab was "lazy and uninformed" because when you or your colleagues report on anything nokia or well resistive related, you have the exact same type of snide remarks.
Now I'm not really a nokia fanboy, or any kind of fanboy, really, but I feel that nokia is getting an improportionate amount of bad press compared to other companies. I do have a 5800 at the moment so i guess you might concider me biased, but i have had a fair share of time on various generations of iPhones and i like the device and the interface a lot. In fact, the only reason that i don't have one right now is the locked down state of the platform where you can't install applications or games from anywhere but the store unless you jailbreak. And also of course the sect-like Apple userbase which doesn't seem to question anything that comes out of Steve's mouth, or Apple's factories.
Also the one who said something about me being incapable with words and/or stupid; I'm neither, english just isn't my native tongue, so sorry for raping your language.
Yes!! Completly agree with you :)
Good! Now get rid of S60 5th.
We don't want capacitive on the n900.
That is all.
I agree, resistive ftw!
Agreed, I wouldn't mind multi-touch though. (Remember that Stantum Resistive touchscreen? How about using that Nokia?)
Not so much for pinch zoom and stuff, but for virtual buttons on screen it's extremely useful.
Every user who have used it have write how good resistive screen it actually has. In every video it has been really responsive and all.
Well it was kinda obvious that the screen was capacitive if you looked at the hands-on video (the way light was reflected on the glass panel)
I too prefer the resistive screens, mostly for the better precision, but also for having the option to use a stylus, pen, plectrum or whatever is at hand.
I'm confused man.I know resistive is more precise but the earlier post said it has handwriting recognition...dats only possible with a resistive screen and a stylus right.is this some new technology?
ever since the iphone every sucker in the cell phone game is dropping some shit that really doesn't talk about being a phone. Instead it's all about the "WOW" factor.
Look at my UI.
I put 250 mega pixels in mine.
Iphone is the only game in town with a clear and simple approach. And Apple has had how many iphones introduced since it came out two years? Yeah, I thought so.
You know, if you used English you would actually make a lot more sense.
Then again, no, you probably wouldn't.
"Clear and simple"? If its so clear and simple then perhaps you can tell me the "clear and simple" rules by which apple governs the app store?
Dear Chris.
If your really think that "capacitive touchscreen = good, resistive touchscreen = bad" - then you have to walk neighbour's dog for money or food, not writing articles in popular blog. You can't even imagine how ridiculous you sound.
P.S.: Anyone who thinks "capacitive = bad, resistive = good" should clean dish at McD too btw.
QTF, also applies to all other Engadget 'journalists'.
Not Journalists, Bloggers. Which apparently gives you free reign to spout crap. Not that journalists aren't guilty of this either...
Bloggers who are being paid by AOL.
I'd say that's a good reason to not offer too many personal opinions.
You watch though, this article will cause J-Tops to kill off the comments again.
Saying it's too late to save the n900 is a bit odd. Why do Engadget bloggers have such a huge crush on capacitative screens?
I haven't used a resistive screen that wasn't finger friendly (I know in the distant past they sucked but that was then) so what's to love in a finger only screen?
I have both an iphone and nokia internet tablet. I like both capacitive and resistive. I was actually using my nokia a lot this morning and I think the n900 will be sweet except that it uses microsd cards blah!
ZOMG!!!a capacitive screen with handwriting recognition(from earlier post)???..but how does dat work? can anyone enlighten me?
It works very very badly on my Omnia HD, but the option was probably left in there by mistake.
I'm sure Nokia figured something out, maybe they have some kind of a capacitive stylus.
may be multitouch?
just a guess... :)
It better be multitouch if it is capacative.
@Attractedrhyme
It most probably has multitouch as its capacitive but handwriting recognition needs fine precision which only a stylus can provide and multitouch wo'nt help here I guess.
@G
Omnia HD is a awesome IMHO so dats probably an overlooked mistake.I hope nokia uses that hybrid tech I read about here or in Giz a few months ago.I own an iPhone and i cant imagine scribbling letters on it:)
I gotta say, I really don't see why people get so emotional about this. If you ask me, it's very easy. If you like capacitive, buy a phone that uses a capacitive screen and if your into resistive, buy a phone with a resistive screen.
Personally I like resistive touch screens more, because I find it really annoying that capacitive touch screens register even the slightest contact between my hand and the screen. No matter how unwillingly it is, the contact counts as a "touch". Very very annoying especially when writing SMS.
On the other hand some people really like that hyper sensitivity, so as I said before it all comes down to personal preference.
Thats what got me every time i played with the iPhone, just the smallest touch registered, very annoying but was cool otherwise.
I would prefer the best of both worlds, sensitive but only activates something when i want it to. That N900 looks kinda cool, hopefully they cracked the problem.
I just can't wint for the N900 to be released to put shut up the mouths of all those capacitive screen fanboys.
*wint = wait
"Ladies and gentlemen, our long, global nightmare is over." - sorry you can't pull funny.
Interesting responses -- I know there's a lot of emotion here, but it's good to see everyone's opinion out on the table. Seems support for resistive is strong in the Nokia community, so what's your take on the X6?
My comment got cut off earlier, but I don't know why resistive is getting such positive response here. In my experience its less accurate, more time consuming, and therefore frustrating, to use.
And handwriting recognition is a joke, at least on Windows Mobile. Have fun with that nearly unusable feature -- writing out something in 30 minutes that could have been done in 2 with a tactile keyboard.
Looks like it will be a great mid range phone.
Also the N900 would not be 'saved' by a capacitive screen. With the high resolution screen, tapping a link with a stylus is a lot easier than zooming in to tap the link, then zooming out to view the whole page. Capacitive works OK with screens that are of a low resolution where text appears larger so it is easier to hit.
@sisyphus - I agree that most handwriting recognition sucks for English, but the major market for that is the Asian countries, and it's proven to work really well.
I think the real differences get overblown: most of the tech press goes super gay for capacitive because of the iPhone, but things like the Touch diamond or Touch HD are pretty darn responsive too. Each has it's plusses and minuses, and to definitely say one if better than the other is just silly. Different strokes for different folks.
@Chris
Most eople who said above that resistive is not a problem, didn't say that they hate capacitive. They just weighed pros and cons.
Regarding X6, it will attract critics like you and others on this list, who hate resistive.
I bet 50% of the consumers don't consider resistive or capacitive when buying their handsets. Else 5800 and other
Nokias wouldn't have sold crazy like they have so far, and will do in future, no matter how many blogs gripe about the
Resistive screens.
The emotion has been cooking for some time now. Engadget's hate for Nokia and gripe on resistive tech has made it's audience feeling angry. I personally feel you don't even respect my knowledge as an educated and experienced tech afficionado.
Why do you say "Seems support for resistive is strong in the Nokia community"? Are you implying that only Nokia fanboys could support such a technology? This isn't some cloistered Nokia tribe commenting here. We are tech-junkies from all sides.
Just look at the comment feedback in the recent touchscreen tech related posts. It's obvious you have lost or are losing the trust of a great deal of readers. I know where I stand.
Chris, in all honesty I think that a cap screen is probably a better option in terms of ease of use for a large screen device with a simplified UI like the iPhone which is primarily aimed at Western consumers. However, where it falls down is when you try to apply it to a smaller screen or when your target market is Asian/Chinese/Arabian/etc where handwriting actually is quicker than key selection.
That said, I don't think there's a huge difference - both have limitations and irritations (res screens require pressure and are therefore less sensitive but compensate by being more accurate, particularly if a stylus is used whereas cap screens rely on conduction and are less accurate, even the projected capacitance screens used by the iPhone, Pre and others but are more, sometimes too, sensitive). Certainly I would question anyone who writes of either technology.
As for the X6, I think it's interesting. It's clearly targeted at music and media lovers and the fact it has CWM built in is a really interesting development. This is effectively an iPod/iPhone challenger and its success or failure depends on Nokia getting Nokia Music right by phasing it into Ovi (Ovi Media?). The switch to cap screen is also fascinating. Given the issues I've highlighted around (relatively) small form factor screens and Nokia's commitment to the recognise - and I mean effectively - Chinese handwriting means it's going to have to be really, really accurate and almost certainly have a predictive dictionary. I wonder if that's what Nokia were up to by testing their handwriting recognition through the handwriting calculator and handwriting training apps?
I'm pleased by this announcement. No-one really so it coming and if it works well it'll pave the way for other devices, presumably including cap screen Maemo powered N series units (I think the future of the N series is most definitely Maemo with S60 running the mid to low range smartphones).
Dear Chris.
You're missing the point for the second time on one page. Like I said.
Sane people do not support/vote/flame about different types of touchscreens. Both types are good for different purposes, but you can't understand it. Nokia Community would not tell you that X6 sucks because of capacitive touchscreen, that sounds abdolutely senseless and stupid.
N900 is not "saved" from resistive touchscreen (whew) but at least it's saved from narrow-minded people like you, sorry if I sound too rough.
P.S.: "--" is lame, use "—" instead. Alt+0151 on your numpad.
The X6 being capacitative is fine as it doesn't seem to be built for doing anything more serious than phone,music and lite gaming (?). If it needs to get anything more in depth done than common feature phone tasks it's going to be a poor experience IMO.
Can I throw a question back at you Chris? Can you get any serious work done on any of your pure capacitive screen phones? I had two ipod touches and trying to take notes and answer e-mails became quite frustrating constantly having to correct the damn predictive corrector.
My guess. As this seems to be directed to music gadget audience, there might be a division of touchscreen technologies in phones for Nokia.
Capasitive screens for entertainment phones, resistive for business phones. The entertainment users arent that much bothered with accuracy, but for business users its paramount for editing excel filec etc. This way both technologies get the proper audience, and if the audiences have personal preferences they can go for the the technology they like if they are willing to compromice on other features.
So if my guess is right we will get more phones with both technologies, and until one of them can combine the best properties of both technolgies we will get capasitive and resistive screen phones from Nokia. Or could be that some other technoly will surplant all screen technologies.
I'm neither an iPhone fan, nor a Nokia fan: I use a modified Omnia i900 [WM 6.5]
I think this phone is a good successor to the 5800XM. The 5800 was a decent phone, but to be honest it had a pretty crap resistive screen.
Resistive is by no means inherently bad however.
Capacitive is by no means inherently good, either. Have a go at the Samsung F480: It's capacitive, but it's crap [in my opinion]. Then try the resistive screen on the Touch Pro2/Diamond2, or the Omnia 2 [which I have in my hot little hands at the moment]: these are _good_ implementations of the resistive tech.
See, what I'm trying to say is: both technologies have their own advantages to offer. Personally, I prefer a very sensitive resistive screen: sometimes I want to touch the screen without activating anything, like when I wipe a smudge for example.
The abuse you've been copping is a bit uncalled for, Chris, however it is because of the absolute panning of any resistive tech. It comes across as misinformed, which isn't quite fair on yourself: you've had more experience with phones than a lot of us.
My only worry is that you've not had experience with crap capacitive screens. Try one sometime, then perhaps instead of judging a phone based on it's announced tech, we can judge it based on it's actual usage.
Tl;dr - Resistive vs. Capacitive without using the phone to begin with is absurd. Also, I want an N900.
Loving capacitive screens is basically like paying a huge compliment to the Iphone fanbase.
I don't know why Nokia even bothers! Unless it is to appeal to the European market which is know just getting bombarded with Iphone.
We are much better off with the likes of the N800 type screens and resistive.
My only problem with Nokia is that all the promises made to get their products into the US via carriers like T-Mobile never pan out.
To date, T-Mobile (US) does not offer any Nokia Smartphones !
And that sucks!
Just to add more confusion to this whole capasitive vs resistive dilema, I actually tried using this X6 phone a few months ago and I like the precsion and responsivness of N97 screen better. It is possible that the phone didn't have the screen well 'calibrated'. But for whatever it is worth, the screen on this phone is not better then N97's.
Uh... it's not out yet, Bruno.
I've been using a prototype, which might conribute to the lower quality perception.
Resistive is perfectly fine. Don't always believe what you hear, especially on Engadget which has poured out buckets of very biased, opinionated, and misleading text on the issue. I've used both and the very FACT of the matter is, both have good and bad points. I've used some crummy resistives but most have been rather good. My SE P1i is resistive and it's just as responsive as an iPod's capacitive and I have a screen protector on it. The lightest touch will register. My LG prada is pretty bad.
So no, capacitive is not always better and resistive is not always worse. It's not a Nokia vs iPhone thing.
Seems capacitive is better for simple inputs like media devices and resistive is better for productivity like the N900 or TP2.
The best screen i ever used is still the HX4700.
"Nokia's lack of capacitive adoption has unquestionably hurt opinion of its 5800 and N97 models"
really? People go into the vodafone store and ask if it has a capacitive screen? And after the sales guy has gone 'huh?' and then looked in the manual, they spit on the floor in disgust and walk out? Wow, people really put more thought into buying phones than I thought.
And how will this make any difference at all to the phone? The OS is the OS. Resistive screens aren't limited to just styluses(stylii?) and I don't think I've ever used a stylus with my N97 - my fingers work just fine. Likewise, if the virtual buttons on the X6 are too small, they'll still be difficult to press with a finger, regardless whether its resistive or capacitive.
Engadget, you really need to drop this already and move onto some other random pet peeve.
So that's why it's much more expensive.
Engadget definitely missing the point of the Maemo 5 and n900.
The n900 is a linux platform. Yes, it has a finger-friendly interface for all the apps that were developed for it, and I hope they have maintained finger access throughout (unlike maemo 4 and back where it is only partially implemented). For these apps, capacitive would work fine, and sometimes better.
However, I repeat, it is a linux platform. The vast library of applications that can be readily ported to the n900 are *not* designed for it - but are perfectly usable, though often require the use of a stylus.
It must be a bit embarrassing for a tech blog author to not understand the use cases where a resistive screen is the better option.
Oops! I see you using some big terms like "tech blog author" and stuff to this Engadget team here. Incase you didn't know, these are some school going kids.
Their favourite dress is black and blue
Their favourite colour is white
Their favourite metal is aluminium
Their favourite letter is i
Their favourite word is Me
and, their favourite fruit is ***** (no prizes for guessing this)
This is not the first time, this blog is filled with such comments from its readers. Still, they don't learn/correct themselves Infact they don't even attempt to.
I hear that even the apple fanboys hate so much of an obsession and biased-ness. Engadget will never learn.
I think Engadget should merge with TUAW and cease to exist separately.
Here Nokia = Evil (iPhone competetior)
Resistive = Evil (Capacitive in iPhone)
Windows = Evil/Stupid (Mac competetior)
I dont give a damn about either of those companies and i own multiple devices made by all of them (including apple obv.) .I come to this site to for unbiased tech reviews and info so PLZ STOP ACTING LIKE APPLE PAYS YOU YOUR WAGES.
I am so sick of the ignorant, life time college student, Apple Worshiping Engadget staff constantly raving about capacitive screens!
Seriously, did you people ever have a real job before coming here? Business users do not want a capacitive screen because they lack so much of the usability that resistive offers. I have your precious Iphone and a Nokia 5800... Guess what? I can type faster with the 5800's on screen keyboard then I ever could with the Iphone because my fingers aren't slipping all over the glass built up with fingerprints. The Iphone is a nifty alarm clock though.
How about if I want to use my phone in the other 2 seasons that in many countries feature skin numbing cold? Guess I'm going to have to use my nose to navigate my phone, maybe I can get that fairy from Pinocchio to grow my nose into what resembles a human stylus, because no man with normal size (read not yours) hands is going to be able to do half the things required of a business phone with a capacitive screen.
Until a variety of input methods become mainstream on capacitive screens, engadget has it backwards, resistive will stay on the top end Nokia phones, for the same reason S60 (and it's application base) will be around for a while longer...
Nokia doesn't care about Apple, it's trends, or what goofy looking kids like you think about phone screens and their place in the market. They own the majority of the world handset market by targeting business users and the massive Asian population that uses handwriting recognition.
I only hope that they don't listen to people like you and eliminate the resistive screens in their high end models, because enterprise users depend on the symbian OS for many legacy applications, and the precise input allowed by their amazing resistive screens. Pick up a modern Nokia phone, take 10 minutes to learn to use it correctly, not like an Iphone, then come back and tell us how "horrible" modern resistive screens are.
True, but S60 UI still stinks.
Chris, why dont you rag on S60 UI instead. Everyone agrees it needs saving...... :D
Instant respect for using a P1i.
R.I.P UIQ :(
LOL.
Forget all the screen type crap, walk into the store, try the phone, if it works... but it!
Seemplz.
if you crank the voltage of a capacitive screen high enough, will fingernails start getting capacitance too?
Considering the comments of this post, and of the many posts about Nokia and resistive screen before, the author should really reconsider his thoughts if he wants to keep readers. This article really made me question myself about why I still read engadget.
I'm not asking you Chris to start liking resistive screen, just to stop the hate and FUD about it. Stop trying to make jokes about it too, they are not funny.
What joke? Maybe that's why you didn't think they were funny -- there weren't any jokes in the post!
"Ladies and gentlemen, our long, global nightmare is over. Alright, that's a significant overstatement"
You don't seem to be able to face the truth and admit you're mistaken. It's sad. Good luck.
I responded on this thread, pointing you Chris, but this comment apply to almost every writers in engadget.
I recommand you guys have a meeting, and read altogether the comments to threads about nokia, and then think about it.
Again, I'm not asking you to change your mind guys. Opinion is good. But you should be fair and stop assuming everyone think like you. People keep explaining you in the comments the good points about resistive screens, and why they like it, why it's not such a bad idea to use it. But over and over you keep repeating "why the hell this screen is resistive?", you've been told the answer thousands times.
Now why nokia makes a capacitive screen phone now? Because it appeals to some people. And that's how Nokia works, they make phones for everyone and every kind of use and tastes.
You're contradicting yourself, Bokal -- you're implying that it's great we have an opinion, but you're also implying that by expressing our opinion we're disrespecting our readers' opinions.
As I've said before, there's a lot of editorial on this site. It's the nature of the beast. If you're looking for neutrally-presented news, there are quite frankly better places to get it. I don't take my editorial lightly, and neither do my colleagues. I don't have an exact count, but I'd estimate I've used maybe something on the order of 50 touchscreen phones over the years -- needless to say, enough to form an opinion on this subject that I'm really comfortable with. I've personally owned a 5800, an N97, a 770, and an N810 (no N800, I admit). I'm not just running my mouth -- I'm speaking with some background. And as hard as it is for some of these folks to believe, I don't use an iPhone, nor do I own one.
Does that mean my opinion is in any way "better" than anyone else's here? No, *absolutely* not -- but we will not under any circumstances compromise our editorial just because that opinion runs counter to 5, 50, or 500 readers, just as I wouldn't expect to be able to sway you. Wouldn't that seem a little disingenuous if we operated that way? We have an opinion, we're presenting it, and we expect everyone here to be able to do the same while keeping the conversation civil. For whatever reason, that seems to be really difficult for some.
Well, actually, what bothers me (and probably others) is not that you give your opinion, it's the way you put it.
You're often making nokia look like fools for using resistive screens, while, despite you don't like it and don't want to admit it, there are good reasons to use it. And it's getting old, really.
You think capacitive would be better on a phone, explain why it'd be better, why resistive is a problem on this phone. That's opinion. But stop acting like it's an obvious choice and making Nokia look dumb for not agreeing. Cause obviously, it's not obvious.
The main problem here is that when you say "Again Nokia screws the phone with a resistive screen", it makes people that actually like resistive screens for good reasons to feel like you think we're stupid.
(I hope the civil conversation thing is not related to my comments, cause really I hardly could be more civil)
It's moreso the self righteous way that you and the staff present this opinion, as if a company that has the majority of the worlds market share like Nokia is just so unenlightened and anyone who likes this type of technology must be stuck in the past.
People, especially people who are better educated, make more money, and are better experienced then you in some cases, do not like to be talked down to. Whether that is myself or not is not relevant to my point, these people (who meet any of the 3 criteria) frequent venues of information like engadget. You can try to hide behind the veil of editorial, or whatever spin you and your buddies want to come up with. The fact is, your tone is inappropriate, and it's starting to wear thin the patience of many readers.
I don't care what your opinions are, and I respect that you are likely qualified to make them in many cases, but your unadulterated arrogance when it comes to this subject, and the effect you know it has in swaying the less technically inclined that look to your site for somewhat informed if not non-biased critique (the purpose of your site is to report on technology to encourage the consumer to buy, thereby increasing ad revenue for your parent company no?)
In short Mr. Ziegler, cut the crap, you know what it is your doing that's stepping on so many nerves. Either stop doing it, or call it what it is. Don't jump behind the "journalistic integrity isn't required" then berate this guy for saying he disagrees with your opinion since you claim it's based on factual experience in an "editorial" format.
You don't get to have it both ways.
Thank you man.
You put it in a much better way that I did.
Oh man I'm fed up with these iphone fanatics.They always have just one point,iphone's touchscreen.They don't see that it lacks so many basic features.Now finally i can relax with the launch of X6.Thanks Nokia please come with more innovative smartphones which can beat Apple.
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