Why include phones? It's because people are increasingly choosing convergence devices that do everything AND make phone calls. This is where the market is heading.
I thought that was an odd implication as well. I think the problem is, though, that the lines between the two are getting too blurry. How many people actually buy both an iPod AND an iPhone? Just about everyone who buys an iPhone buys it so they can have an iPod that makes calls. So it can't be denied that the iPhone cannibalizes a good deal of iPod sales and hugely throws off such statistics. I'm not sure there's any fair way to compare PMPs any more since there's just too many cell phone offshoots that would screw up the numbers.
I agree with your premise, but I'll go ahead and call you an idiot anyway for trying to blame bias here.
Clearly including iPhones would be inaccurate because many people buy them and don't touch the iPod feature. Yet the iPod feature is a huge selling point; without that feature, there would be more iPods sold and fewer iPhones. If you can't recognize this, well.......
While I am not an Apple fan I can see some of the logic behind the comparison. Many of the would be iPod buyers are opting for the iPhone instead, so that does bring a phone into the equation. Normally I would agree but in this case its perfectly logical. The iPhone is cannibalizing iPod sales......
....and before you speak too quick....I own a Pre..
Yep, convergent devices are becoming the norm. And since basically every Sony-Ericsson phone sold today also plays music (not just the ones they've branded "walkman"), then they all should be included, right? And in this comparison, Apple would most certainly still lose in Japan.
The problem with starting to include convergent devices is that you need to draw the lines somewhere. There are very few single-purpose devices anymore. Drawing it at "allows for cellular communications" would seem to make much more sense than generically "is portable and can play music."
Ah yes, FoxKenji (I love the name by the way, so indecisive yet so catchy). When you can't figure out how to construct a post without saying "Apple FTW" somehow, somewhere in the text, you resort to this epic comeback.
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Why the hell WOULD they include a PHONE in a comparison of market share between a sony PMP and an apple PMP.....
I'm sure if they tossed in Apple Macbooks it might tilt the scales also....hell macbooks play music? Right?
Give it up Engadget
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I agree with this post. If they added the iPhone, then couldn't they just add any Sony Ericson phone that also played media?
Do Blackberries and iPods compare to each other? can we compare the Palm Pre market share to the Zune?
Why include phones? It's because people are increasingly choosing convergence devices that do everything AND make phone calls. This is where the market is heading.
I thought that was an odd implication as well. I think the problem is, though, that the lines between the two are getting too blurry. How many people actually buy both an iPod AND an iPhone? Just about everyone who buys an iPhone buys it so they can have an iPod that makes calls. So it can't be denied that the iPhone cannibalizes a good deal of iPod sales and hugely throws off such statistics. I'm not sure there's any fair way to compare PMPs any more since there's just too many cell phone offshoots that would screw up the numbers.
I agree with your premise, but I'll go ahead and call you an idiot anyway for trying to blame bias here.
Clearly including iPhones would be inaccurate because many people buy them and don't touch the iPod feature. Yet the iPod feature is a huge selling point; without that feature, there would be more iPods sold and fewer iPhones. If you can't recognize this, well.......
Probably Engadget made the same bet as John Madden, but instead of mentioning Brett Favre... Well, you get my point.
While I am not an Apple fan I can see some of the logic behind the comparison. Many of the would be iPod buyers are opting for the iPhone instead, so that does bring a phone into the equation. Normally I would agree but in this case its perfectly logical. The iPhone is cannibalizing iPod sales......
....and before you speak too quick....I own a Pre..
Yep, convergent devices are becoming the norm. And since basically every Sony-Ericsson phone sold today also plays music (not just the ones they've branded "walkman"), then they all should be included, right? And in this comparison, Apple would most certainly still lose in Japan.
The problem with starting to include convergent devices is that you need to draw the lines somewhere. There are very few single-purpose devices anymore. Drawing it at "allows for cellular communications" would seem to make much more sense than generically "is portable and can play music."
Russ, very poor post.
Freedom Town, you're a dumbass
Ah yes, FoxKenji (I love the name by the way, so indecisive yet so catchy). When you can't figure out how to construct a post without saying "Apple FTW" somehow, somewhere in the text, you resort to this epic comeback.