Apple pulls C64 App after Manomio shenanigans revealed
By Thomas Ricker 
posted Sep 8th 2009 7:52AM
posted Sep 8th 2009 7:52AM
[Via The iPhone blog]
Read -- Enable BASIC in C64 hack
Read -- Manomio's plea for mercy
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This app is sure getting its 15 minutes of fame. Watching the news coverage is more interesting than playing the games at least.
I really hate Apple.
*rubs salt in wounds*
And my love/hate relationship with apple continues.
I like Apples, but I hate that Apple is a Socialistic company, and only continues to get worse.
As much as I hate Apple's handling of the app approval process, this one isn't totally their fault ^ They really were just covering their butts pulling an app that had unauthorized use of BASIC in it, even if the code was dormant.
Haha. Does the word 'socialist' actually mean anything to people anymore, or do they just use it to describe anything they don't like?
Socialism: a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
Apple may be a lot of bad things, but 'socialist' is not the word you're looking for.
thank you waves, THANK YOU!
@Rob: I would stop talking if I were you. You're stupid, ignorant at best. Do you even know what the word socialism means? Look up words before using in your feeble attempt to look smart.
Apple is closed source. If you morons don't like that, don't buy Apple. It's really, really that simple.
I don't even know why most of you bitch. Do most of you even own an Apple device of any sort? Or are you just bitching in the wind?
I think the word you're looking for is FASCISM.
Nope, that's not it either.
For the relief you've been waiting for, it is: Capitalism
"Socialism" is what white folks call anyting that frightens them.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/Little_Rock_integration_protest.jpg/500px-Little_Rock_integration_protest.jpg
I'm starting to hate Apple too, and I'm a photographer. I've spent so much money in the App Store it's ridiculous. If the Zune HD is more open I might switch, off course it won't be.
waves: Mario is socialist!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_xQ-ns5whw
The problem wasn't "unauthorized use of BASIC.". It's Apple's horseshit rule against having a programming-language interpreter in your app.
People need to stop mollycoddling Apple and call their SDK what is: a fraud.
"We want your soul!..."
too late, mine's already on ebay :-)
Wouldn't that make it even easier for him?
"Something we're sure Apple will get right on." must be sarcasm...
Ok.. If people want a stop to this , then here is a simple soultion...
PORT THESE APPS TO OTHER PLATFORMS!
BB, Android, Win mobile, Symbian, and Palm.
Stop putting all of your eggs(apps) in one basket, and Apple will be forced to stop playing games with developers, as all the developer has to do is pull their program from their store but still have them available for Apple competition.
Apple has more to lose from that. Too bad too many developers are to iStar-struck to realize that they are the ones with the real power.
Dont have Apple reject your apps. Reject Apple's platform.
@Look_Around_You
Do you think nobody's tried that? It's typically worth it for the developers to give in to Apple's demands, because the sales are better than on competing platforms.
That said, in this case, I don't think your comment really applies. I'm fairly annoyed when Apple rejects applications that compete with their own business or other reasons that just don't make sense. That's not the case here. The BASIC interpreter is a substantial security risk, and as an iPhone owner and application developer, that's perfectly acceptable to me.
Most legacy code in Windows comes about because ISVs break the platform's rules and do stupid things (just have a read through http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/ for examples). As a result, Microsoft's hands are tied when they want to make changes to the platform. It's not just legacy code, either - some highly important applications written for Windows make use of all kinds of security holes and bugs that can't be fixed because they'd break applications. This results in the platform being something of a mess and it tries to mix fixing bugs with the practical realisation that some important customers depend on those bugs.
Apple take no nonsense and aren't afraid of telling even their most important ISVs to go back and do things right (just look at 64-bit Carbon, Adobe and Microsoft are both mighty angry about that one!). Similarly, Apple aren't afraid of telling developers to scrap the code which might be a security hazard. Yes, its annoying when an important application is delayed because of Apple's draconian demands, but it's better than letting developers do whatever they want, because if you leave them alone they'll trash the platform.
problem is though, according to the sales number's it isn't worthwhile yet to bother porting your apps over to other platforms, as they don't have the sales/visibility numbers that the App Store has. hopefully this will change in the future though.
@KarlW, you see, you are drinking the Kool-Aid. The BASIC interpreter is in no way a security risk. It is an interpreter that runs on top of an application that runs in an isolated environment on top of a hyper-paranoid-to-the-point-of-being-crippled OS. The only way to get a BASIC app to run on this would be either a) to copy/paste it in, b) buy something in the app store through the C64 emulator, or c) do some funky convoluted thing with WiFi or Bluetooth. There are no other means of transferring data into or out of this sandbox. And if anything did get in, no way for it to touch anything outside of the sandbox.
No, this is all about control. Apple wants no other scripting or programming languages or runtime interpreters so that its app store remains the sole means of putting applications on to the device. Period.
Port to other platforms like symbian?
Whatever for as its been done allready. Theres even osf version of c64 emulator or a ton of others:
http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/features/item/Emulators_on_Symbian_S60_3rd_Edition_devices.php
c64 emulators been around for at least 6 years.
Actually, iPhone applications aren't run in a sandbox. It may be possible for people to call unsupported APIs and generally mess up the system. Besides, memory leaks and other bugs may expose ways to take over the system. In that sense, it's no different to a Javascript security error, which we know can do all kinds of damage. I remember when you could jailbreak your iPhone by navigating to a special site (I can't remember if it used an image file or javascript, but the principle remains that small bugs in interpreted data can lead to massive effects for the system).
Apple have used their control over the AppStore to generally annoy their user base, and I hate it, too. But that didn't happen here and the inclusion of 3rd party email clients and now even Spotify suggest that they are at least trying to loosen things. They don't want the negative publicity, Phil Schiller has better things to do than email every developer whose app gets rejected, and I bet they don't enjoy the fact that they have to pay people to moderate all this junk. Security remains an issue where compromising can cause irreparable harm to the brand.
@KarlW -
Well the solution to that is simple - MS needs to go ahead and patch the software - weed out the legacy code and force the companies and developers that are dead set on using legacy code from 10 and 20 years ago - 'cause they wrote specialized and proprietary Apps that only work on Window 3.1 - and force them to upgrade their shit to something more secure.
How many companies are still using and/ or supporting FORTRAN II from the 60's?
Boo-hoo "I'm a 3rd party developer that uses a custom built App that only runs on Win ME and I don't want to pay for someone to make updates so the App works and runs on Win XP or Vista or Win 7 'cause I can save some cqash" - WTF?
@KarlW -
Besides - I've jailbroken my iPhone and I have a Terminal App that runs on it. I can run system level UNIX Commands taht are much more powerful and dangerous than than much of what BASIC from the 80s is capable of.
But either way - it still should be Consumer Choice. We're all adults and should really be allowed to make out own decisions. Apple is acting like we're all 12 year old sna we need our Parents to shelter us from the real world.
@uberfu
- Microsoft has been working on the legacy code problem for ages. They started doing something about it in Vista, and compatibility was the #1 complaint. Until Vista, Microsoft had for the most part been run by its marketing department, who would rather it keep customers happy with endless compatibility than make tough decisions that move the platform forward. Apple's marketing department are very good, but when it comes to engineering decisions about the platform, the engineering department always wins. No matter who they piss off (even if its their own customers, as evidenced by the lack of PPC support in Snow Leopard).
- Yes, you can use your jailbroken phone to trash your own operating system. Well done to you!
- It's not about protecting people like they're children: you don't get protected from computer viruses just because you're old enough to vote. If there's a security hole in the BASIC interpreter, it could allow viruses to infect your system and steal your personal data, or it could further enable jailbreaking, which in turn further enables app piracy (obviously that's not ALL it does).
- People keep talking about customer choice - there is plenty of customer choice. The AppStore is possibly the most competitive software market out there. That doesn't mean there aren't rules. That's like complaining that basic laws that forbid murder and theft prohibit your freedom. You have the freedom to add features to your app so long as you don't do certain things which pose security risks to the whole platform.
Is there really any way the hidden Commodore BASIC could have been used to do anything dangerous to the system? The way I understand it, everything's in a sandbox in a sandbox, and also, it's Commodore BASIC...
Never underestimate the sheer power of 10 PRINT "Apple r rubbish" 20 GOTO 10.
Or ascii porn.
Oh what a threat to innocent iphone users, ascii porn....
The sandbox is only a sandbox if everything works exactly as you intended. This rarely happens. Why would Apple put themselves on the hook for a GIGANTIC potential security clusterfuck, on someone else's behalf?
I'm not getting all the Apple hate here - if you know *anything* about software you'd know that the ability for a 3rd party to run arbitrary code on your machine without your knowledge (i.e. if anything is remotely programmable) is a REALLY bad idea.
The "no running arbitrary code" rule in the SDK is perfectly reasonable for MANY reasons, most of all security, and Manomio is 100% in the wrong for having tried to sneak it in.
Just when it feels like maybe just maybe Apple were loosening up along cones some dickhead greedy dev to betray the trust that was given them. Manomio thanks a fckin bunch, your shenanigans have done un told damage and made it that much harder for the rest of us. Oh what's that, you left the code in there with an 'accidental' secret way to activate which was found in under 48 hours? Yeh right you dumb greedy pricks. I hope your developer status gets pulled.
OHHHH jealously is a terrible thing, really this hass nothing to do with you. Throw your toys out of the pram if you want but this is Anal Apple's fault for keeping everything so locked down you sad little kid.
I dont get it... Customers bend over, take down their pants and underwear and lub up their ass and then find it odd that Apple comes by and takes them up the behind over and over again while screaming Bohica?
I really cba with whatever Apple does with their crapstore and sure they could keep nice apps out of the door and sure they still generate massive money from it it only makes me wonder who is the biggest fool out there.
It's really time to boycot Apple. Shitty Appstore rules, tie-in-sales of crappy mommy-software if you want to update Tiger to Snow Leopard, FB dimms in Mac Pro's, lousy 9400M in basic iMacs, still no normal desktop Mac made of desktop components without mirror-screen built in, bling-bling on everything, no VM licenses of OSX, DVD-drives in computers, way to expensive Mini's.... and so on and so on.
+1
Some people just like getting screwed from behind.
So... if you don't like them, don't buy them? I'm sure Apple will really be hurting from your lack of support.
If you don't like it... don't buy it. /post.
Versus what... the need for persistent virus, malware, and worm checks, washed out looking TN panel LCD monitors at Best Buy that have a 1 degree viewing angle, choppy Intel integrated video in basic & mid-model PCs, choice of silvery painted plastic desktop or laptop, both weighting 6lbs or more (not including power adapter), chunky full featured laptops, and upgrades to Win 7 from Vista that cost $129. Seriously, if you think the PC world is such a great deal think it, but really, its just as crappy on that side too.
Sounds like the PS3, Xbox 360, and Wii. Their hardware, their software, their rules. Where do you get the games for those consoles?
If you don't like it don't buy it. Yeah, that is easy. We helped Apple through the dark years as designers, but now they are more interested in serving Pimp-my-Ride clients than their loyal customers. And softwarelicenses still have a long way to become cross-platform, so we can't switch to Windows tomorrow. I wonder how BMW or SAAB would do if they changed their business style like Apple did.
"We helped Apple through the dark years as designers"
Schools helped Apple through the dark years. You're still the same gullible saps who thought you needed a Quadro to use Photoshop.
Quark, on the other hand, you guys get credit for that asshole dinosaur still being around.
The 9400M is lousy? I somehow have failed to notice, because in my MacBook Pro 15, I haven't turned on the 9600 GPU in the 18 months I've had it. Not even once.
It's really unfortunate that developers do things like this. Can we please try and give Apple LESS reason to be MORE restrictive on the Apps that it approves? Just when it looks like they're trying to be more open, a stupid developer has to go and spoil relations again and try to be sneaky about something.
Stop ruining it for your customers and other developers. Play by the rules or go to Android. You're the people that are keeping the App Store so restrictive.
hmmmm, what is so bad about having a BASIC interpreter?
My philosophy is that the more interpreters and programming languages you can use on a system, the merrier.
The problem is that its unchecked by the OS. In THEORY, you could write malicious or otherwise naughty code in the BASIC interpreter that could damage the OS or steal data from the phone.
I'm sure many shady programmers also love your philosophy :)
More interpreters/languages = more potential for holes~
Isn't this just the Basic ROM running inside a C64 emulator? How could that be used to hack thee iPhone when it's behind both the C64 virtualised hardware and the emulator itself?
I think there's some other reason behind this - like not wanting normal users to be able to program anything on the iPhone?
The trick is this. As it stands, each programmer is responsible for the app they submit to the AppStore. If it turns out to be malicious (for instance, it grabs all your contacts and uploads them to a remote server... or maybe it initiates long-distance calls when you're not looking), and Apple moves to shut it down... they NEED to address the responsible party... not a developer that says, "Hey, I didn't know they'd be able to do this.". Suddenly, there is a sub-ecosystem of security problems, and if Apple shuts down the entire ecosystem upon discovering a wide systemic problem with it, ALL of those users/sub-games become affected (not just the original developer).
Imagine if the C64 emulator had an easy way for people to add basic code. Through Basic, you access the machine language system. Through that, you access what the C64 app has exposed of the Apple SDK. You find an exploit, and suddenly you can start acting maliciously, and Apple has no choice but to assume the entire environment is malware... or micromanage the problems.
It's awful, and doesn't represent the "safety" Apple would like to ascribe to its iPhone OS environment. Hey, and I wouldn't mind circumventing Apple and installing Strip Poker! I can see the headline now... C64 emulator allows the first PORN sold through the AppStore. The issue of "control" isn't as fascist as people would like to think. Apple created the most popular mobile AppStore on the planet, and people still busy themselves pontificating on why Apple got it "wrong". Meanwhile, ANYONE else could go ahead and "one-up" Apple. Microsoft? Palm? RIM? Nokia? Android? Anyone? --Cause, it sounds like Apple solved a tricky problem that's not as simple as folks would think.
I think Google Android's come the closest to "openness", yet they've had to ban apps from the marketplace too. Y'know, it never really ends. I knew the moment I heard people could drop into the interpreter, Apple would pull it. In the end, I'm not sure I see the value in not appreciating Apple's priorities.
You're assuming that apple in no way sandboxes the apps. Guess again.
hmm so an app that basically works like the online TRS-80 emulator and somehow it can magically access the systems machine language? somehow i doubt that, a BASIC emulator is as about as dangerous as a NES emulator, the virtual machine can't affect the main machine without a lot of magic that doesn't happen (no one has ever hacked a computer using an NES emulator, have they? no, and it works the SAME WAY AS THIS)
this is a bunch of apple WHARRGARBL and you fan boys need to stop blindly defending them.
@G.
Apple wants control of every piece of code that runs on the machine, either to "manage" the user experience or to garner as much revenue as it can, or both. Good or bad, that's been their mantra from the start. Nobody should be surprised or outraged by this.
We've accepted this because we want "the shiny", and most of the time we get patted on the head by Apple and everything is great. It's only when things like this happen that we are suddenly forced to realize how shitty we have it and become electronic gadget Lech Wałęsas.
That's totalitarianism, by the way, not socialism. And it's not totalitarianism if you are able to get off the bus (by not buying it)
Pay by the rules or dont play at all.....
Unfortunately Apple has just a tad too many rules...
So does the USA.
Can't smoke pot, can't marry my dog/bestfriend(unless they're the opposite sex)/sister/20-models-at-once, all the liquid assets in my estate get taxed upon death and don't go directly to my children, a pie has to be round, I am required to have my kids on some sort of mind-control drug if I want them to go to a public school...
BUT HOLD THE DANG PHONE MA! SOME COMPANY THAT SELLS A PRODUCT I DON'T EVEN WANT TO BUY HAS RULES I DON'T LIKE! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! I'M GOING TO WEIGH IN ON EVERYTHING ABOUT THE COMPANY EVEN THOUGH I DON'T BUY ANYTHING THEY MAKE!
Apple is watching YOU!
Does anyone else remember the Orwellian Macintosh commercial?:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYecfV3ubP8
Kind of Ironic, isn't it?
This is revenge for something that happened before I was born. I just know it.
The iPhone should be open for 3rd party apps installation without Apple's intervention and we shouldn't care about which apps Apple approves for its own apps store.
It is, it's called Jailbreaking.
I meant that the iPhone should be open for 3rd party apps out-of-the-box so users won't have to install possibly harmful and illegal software in order to install 3rd party apps.
Nearly 100% of personal computer users, whether it's a PC or Mac, are free to install any 3rd party app out-of-the-box so why should iPhone users be restricted?
@yyy
"Nearly 100% of personal computer users, whether it's a PC or Mac, are free to install any 3rd party app out-of-the-box so why should iPhone users be restricted?"
Your name is appropriate.
That said, Apple sells BOTH the operating system AND the hardware for its devices, EXCEPT they do NOT sell the cellular service on which their phone works. That service has restrictions on how you can use it. On WiFi, there are much fewer restrictions. This accounts for a percentage of their AppStore rejections.
Apple has created a centralized means of getting new applications on the device. They could have an "open" marketplace where people can obtain applications anywhere and install almost anything... but that marketplace model has not worked well AT ALL. There is rampant piracy on Windows Mobile, and very little financial incentive for developers to invest development dollars, considering the barriers of getting customers to add credit card info, and other billing related info on a mobile device. Also "backing up" purchases and transferring media has always been a huge challenge for normal people. They've solved all of this... but not without the trade-off.
The trade-off means that Apple is liable for the purchases you make, because you've given them the exclusive right to sell the software for you to their customers. They've added "ratings" (this was an earlier barrier in parental control), "promo codes", and they've added in-app purchases (which further helped developers control their sales model and make Apple's format less painful). All that boils down to Apple needing to "vet" the apps they sell. There's no going back. They can't "try" another model later. It was all or nothing, and they chose this one.
I think its something pretty successful and worth emulating. There IS A REASON why its so successful. There IS A REASON why others are not. If there isn't... then one of the other platforms should take the lead by simply doing it "right".
Whenever a marketplace becomes as successful as Apple's there becomes a lot of elbowing for advantage. Apple didn't just "luck" into this. They designed it this way, and its working.
That's Y.
computers don't sell the internet service that they use either.
there are plenty of apps that can break rules ISPs have about how you use the internet.
your argument is void.
@Cleverboy:
The cellular operators avoid having to deal with the rapid advancement in technology by limiting it. They restrict phones from using VoIP because they fear that it will harm their profits even though it is equal to restricting Skype or instant messages services on PCs because it might reduce the number of phone calls people make.
Apple chose to limit the ability to install 3rd party apps on the iPhone because it fears of competition and security issues. Still, the reason other platforms haven't developed a successful 3rd party apps business is because they are not as easy to use or to develop for as the iPhone.
The article above is just one in a series of articles condemning Apple for disapproving apps while Apple is being under the investigation of the FCC for the same reason - this is NOT a success. The truth is: while 3rd party apps for the iPhone have become a successful business it is being harmed by Apple's and AT&T's policies which serve as an excuse for having to take care of security issues and competition.
They were just being careful. Apple enjoys being on the news so much. The company people love to hate but love to be part of if they have the product.
Here's an idea, developers. STOP MAKING APPS FOR THE iPHONE. Yeah, I know its big business & yeah, I know that you may miss out on some downloads because of the iPhone's market share, but shit. There's other fish in the sea. Android is coming up fast, webOS too, Blackberry, Win Mobile, etc. All that market share combined dwarfs the iPhone's.
Anyways, why would you want to be forced to cripple your software, making it a shell of its former self?? Thats double-lame. Lame on Apple for making you jump through their hoops like a master with his bitch dog, and lame on you for doing it in the first damn place. Just stop. Set an example instead of being Steve Jobs' bitch.
Why is it "double lame" to make sure that an app is going to run right on my phone? I, as a non-developer, am glad that I have someone giving a seal of approval to apps to make sure that they are compatible and will work relatively good on my phone.
Is the system perfect? No, because I would like the ability to install an app that has "duplicate functionality" if I want. However, that is really my only complaint with it. It is true that competition provides progression. However, in order for me to feel safe with my phone, I need to know that someone other than "bobby in his basement" looked at the app. If that pisses off a developer or two, I am perfectly ok with it. Those who aren't ok with it probably have something to hide.
Oh, Steve spare me that old "Apple is making sure we're all nice & safe & that my phone doesnt blow up" line, because you & I both know its bullshit. It goes a little further than that my friend & you damn well know that.
Anyways, does Apple make sure that every 3rd party Mac app gets their patented "seal o' approval"?? Hell no they dont, so they shouldn't do that on their mobile platform either.
Yeah, I know what you're thinking. "But Apple is distributing these apps through their own software (iTunes) & should make sure everything is okie dokie". Therein lies another problem with Apple's distribution method. People shouldnt be forced to a single method of downloading apps for their phone. No one else's platforms do that. If Apple just wants to make a nice interface & point its users to these apps (like on Apple.com/downloads), then thats fine. But they dont do that.
You cant win this by defending these actions when they're so blatantly screwed up. Apple is turning into a controlling bullshit company, end of story. And this is coming from a 10+ year Mac user.
PSU. You're an arm chair quarterback. Your spiel sounds good to you, because it represents some fantasy world where all your dreams come true and things just "work" the way they're supposed to.
As one 10+ year Mac user to another, you haven't the slightest clue why you're getting the benefits that you do. You mind enumerating all the failings of the other mobile platforms you'd encourage developers to flock to? How about you talk to the developer of Trism who released a version of Android, only to see such meek sales, because the Android Marketplace has a serious set of problems with its design and infrastructure? Maybe you can ask Microsoft, Blackberry, and Nokia why they've pushed to restructure their AppStore models to mirror Apple's?
The AppStore got released just 1 year ago, and now its had over 1.5 billion downloads. No one else's platform has had 1.5 billion downloads BECAUSE Apple has created a centralized set-up that customers can trust for conducting transactions. If you don't think that's a logical conclusions, then I'm sorry... but you're living in a fantasy world.
Instead of simply saing, "Hey developers... here... all these other platforms combined dwarf Apple's marketshare", how about you set to writing an informed analysis of the financial and trends concerning mobile app purchases? Show them the money. Why? Because the numbers work against you and you know it. With over 50 million credit card on-file customers in Apple's marketplace, nothing else compares.
Instead of bitterly trying to get the mountain to come to you, you might consider that you may be taking the mountain for granite. Heh, heh. I know, bad pun. Seriously. Quit yer whining.
cleverboy your agument is once again void
a site like downloads.com gets about a billion downloads PER MONTH
even if a 10th of those free downloads even up being purchased by consumers it still is a better distribution platform then the itunes store for developers.
So cleverboy's argument is void because of download.com?
seems like sound logic to me :/
@ Cleverboy. Oh, I get it. Since the App Store has sold so many apps & see such high numbers, developers should just say F it, cripple their work & jump through all of Apple's hoops for that almighty dollar. A sell's a sell, right? Is that right?? You could have saved yourself those 5 paragraphs of BS & just said that, cause its basically what you meant & was your only defense.
Believe it or not, I kinda agree. Developers are in the business to make money. So even if they have to resort to bowing down to the great Apple & totally cripple their software, it'll still sell because of the sheer numbers involved. And sadly, the developers know this & probably think of it just like that.
But guess who ends up losing? You & I, the consumer, thats who. Because if the developers are spineless cash whores, and the average iPhone consumer probably isnt hip to this kinda stuff & their iPhone is more than likely their first decent smartphone that can actually download decent apps (basically meaning they're too stupid to know any better & are just stoked they can do such things, esp as easily as iTunes makes it), then what do we have left? Nothing really, unless the FCC wants to step in. Which they might eventually. Apple's already skating on thin ice with them anyway over the whole app approval process. But Apple sure as hell aint gonna do the right thing, unless they're forced to in some way.
So I guess just keep doing what you guys are doing. Defend Apple to the death, see where it gets you as a consumer. Screwed is what. Because its all about the bottom line with them these days & keeping a cloud of ignorance over Joe Consumer's head.
@major4Play ha you don't know me but I can assure you I am not at all jealous. Unfortunately I've no intention of going on the record but let's just say as a dev I do quite nicely thank you very much :)
At the same time we have experienced how difficult it is getting apps approved even when you play be rules And so I have every right to express my anger at these clowns behaviour. CheeseRations may have put it more eloquently but the sentiments put forward in my post stand! That is all, have at it.
Apple afraid of malware for the iPhone? From a basic interpreter? Wow...
Guess they're afraid someone will poke and peek their way into somewhere they shouldn't be...
POKE 32592,25
[iphone asplodes]
Apple (mother) may I? may i use the bathroom? may I breathe? may I blink please? my eyes are getting dry
NO BECAUSE YOU ARE HEADCRAB ZOMBIE
sure you can....
"there's an app for that"
:-)
....or at least, there WAS at the time of writing that comment, haha!
peek and poke commands on iPod would give me a giggle.
I would just have to find a way to port my 200+ C64 games over. Mind you there are only about 10-15 games that I really enjoy and the main reason I keep my C64 around.
you can if you're jailbroken.
find the c64.app folder and edit the .plist file for you new ROMS and you're good to go.
you'll need to examine the structure for a minute to figure out the correct format but its not tto hard
i'm playing Giana Sisters right now
I think some of you are missing a big point in all of this... and sadly, Manomio has changed their blog entry in the last hour so I can't even quote what they originally said. Oh, but wait... Google remembers everything:
"We had agreed with Apple to remove basic from the application, but as we believed it would be possible to convince Apple to let it in later on, we left it in the app to be activated remotely by us when we had “go” from Apple."
So basically, if I read that correctly (and I think am)... they lied to Apple. They agreed to remove it at first. Then decided to leave it in, thinking they could convince Apple later it was OK. They were caught. And frankly, them changing their blog post is even more shady. Why are we mad at Apple on this one again?
Hopefully this URL works: http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:A_bDkGGiY6wJ:www.manomio.com/+manomio+important+update&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a
Yeah sounds sus on Manemo behalf.
In fact they not really hiding the Basic prompt too badly all you have to due is press reset & you can write as many Hello World programs as you want.
Sure hope Manemo learns there lesson.
Damn, even the Google cache is different now.
So they change the post AND disable comments so people can't call them out on it.
An update on C64??? hmm maybe??? we'll see or we'll see ya on Cydia!
This is why (again) when I hear of a new "controversial" App - I get it IMMEDIATELY!!
.. off to port VICE to the Creative Labs ZII .. Plaszma totally allows this without sweat, and the hardware is just as lovely, if not lovelier, than Apples ..
Guys, if you don´t like these rules, get an open source handheld! No rules, no money for apps (besides donations :) and about over 9000 emulators available.
Google: OpenPandora, Dingoo, GP2X (WIZ)
freedom is great, especially when seeing all those apple fanboys crying.
Actually it's not the fanboys that are crying (at least not judging by this thread). It's the Apple haters who have nothing else to do.
I am more than happy with all of the Apple products I have.
@ack154
Yep. You, me, and all the other people who own Apple products and take most of the surveys on record in consumer satisfaction. Witness the online eco-chamber, where people can be convinced that largely good business practices should be punished because the company does not believe themselves to be a panacea, and has a specific vision that does not please everyone.
did anyone else try to click the "ok" button?
Unfortunately, yes. And I don't even own a Mac (aside from a old Macintosh SE superdrive) or use iTunes.
Fail on me. ):
From day one, Apple has basically said, "You already have options for an open mix-and-match of hardware and operating systems. Our offering is a closed system, with the hardware and software co-developed to work as smoothly as possible without legacy code, driver problems and other issues related to the other approach. You decide which approach you'd prefer." Then, folks go out and buy Apple products knowing full well the approach they've taken, only to complain when their purchases don't suddenly revert to open platforms the moment they unbox them. It's quite unbelievable, really. At what point did Apple *ever* say they would allow any means for buying/loading apps other than iTunes? So what's the basis for complaint? You make your choice when you initially open your wallet.
BTW, I own an iPhone and an old 2G nano, having had a highly hacked and customized (DCD 4.1.2) XV6800 WinMo phone earlier. I far prefer the iPhone despite the customizability of the XV6800. It took a ton of work to keep it stable. On the other hand, I run Windows 7 on all 5 of my PCs from my HP 2140 netbook to my i7-920 homebrew desktop.
"Manomio claims that it had "no intention of tricking basic into the app" and only left the code in to be remotely activated later should Apple change its policy."
LOL. That's such a lame excuse. The app was approved before they found out about this. The rules are laid out already.
People that are whining about Apple are the same people that whining about AT&T, yet keep giving money to them. Developers can go to another platform. You can buy a different phone. No point in whining.
Release it on Android and tell Apple to fuck off already....
These guys had the chance to remove BASIC and didn't. They had it withdrawn from the App store once and on the second submittal they screwed the pooch by including it. Good luck if Apple gives them a 3rd approval. Gimme my Karate Champ and i'm a happy player. :)
i am so over all this app approval bullsh*t.
what is so surprising about this? This is Apple being Apple. Of course all the macfreaks out there want to think you're one rung above "others" in the path to enlightenment, but let's face it....there isn't anything special about Apple. They're a corp. They have shareholders to please JUST like any other corp. They want your money and they want to protect anything that is a threat to their future money.
They have a designer who hocked Dieter Rams' designs and hit a home run....good for them....i also heard on the tv that you won't get viruses...LOL.
Well they do have a boss who did start the personal computer concept, together with a handful others.
tell that to scelbi, altair, ibm...