Sure,
Taiwan's been enjoying these chips for almost a month at this point, but it's taken until now for Intel go official with its announcement of the "
Lynnfield" processors,
Core i5-750 and Core i7-870. If the early reviews are to be believed, both chips are dominant in their performance and price range, although there are some notable caveats for the tech savvy to take heed of. If you're in need of the finer details of all these, hit up the read links below for the skinny.
Read - HotHardware
Read - PC Perspective
Read - Tech Report
Read - TweakTown
Read - Official Intel Press release
posted Sep 8th 2009 12:11AM
med-performance low budget computer here i come!
Core i5 750 2.66 GHz Quad (3.2GHZ Turbo Boost) 200$~ sound nice, time to build new desktop with windows 7 ;)
That's right reward them for making the original core i series with 1366 socket's and now changing it....
AMD has done quite well to keep up with Intel, it is crazy that a Phenom II 965 can (on some gaming tests) beat out the top end Core i7.. I will be sticking with AMD, 940 socket's and cheaper Motherboard's win out in the mid-range/gaming computers....
Bulldozer is going to smash Core i7 if AMD is able to keep up with them with years old Phenom architecture.
I would like to see those benchmarks from a few reputable sources because while its a great processor, the 965 is NOT as good as the i7. According to Tom's, It is more than a formidable opponent. They even were comparing an i5 to the 965, where the i7 routinely is better. Before you start a fanboy rant, read the entire article, its as plain as day.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/phenom-x4-965,2389-2.html
@ProfessorKaos
It's clear the Nahalem architecture is far better than K10.5, but Toms Hardware is the most pro-Intel review site out there :P
they used "i" as a prefix?!?...............we all know apple invented the letter "i" right.lawsuit?
but it's intel even though apple used i and the (i) it's quite ubiquitous by now that it doesn't just belong to apple as Monster uses it for it's iMarketing.
Hoping the OP isn't a complete idiot, ever hear of the i80386? Or i80286? i8088? Intel has been using the "i" prefix for a fuck-load longer than Apple.
Get. A. Clue.
/sarcasm.....i knew i should have put it there
Wow. Epic fail, guys.
"...we all know apple invented the letter "i" right."
Invented a letter! Gee, I wonder if he's being sarcastic... nah, he must be serious! I'm gonna put him in his place!
^ /jerk........apparently theirs been so much trolling on engadget people forgot sarcasm.sad
The Greeks invented iota; Apple licenced it and added a dot.
Hey guys - the TweakTown link is wrong.
The HotHardware is better anyway.
Your tweaktown links to the image instead of the actual article:
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/2909/intel_lynnfield_core_i5_750_and_core_i7_870_performance_testing/index.html
When are they going to release the notebook-version of these new processors?
Seriously! I need a new laptop and I'm getting sick of waiting for a mainstream mobile processor refresh!
Great, now hopefully AMD will release a not-quite-as-good, but much cheaper processor to compete.
I hope you are being sarcastic because if you are not, you obviously do not know whats happening with the Intel/AMD market.
@ Famicom
Oh please dear master, enlighten us.
Anyone who's considering this castrated POS is better off with an older X48 and a Core 2 Quad which can be overclocked to castrate even the 1000$ i7 965.
...castrate much?
...until you overclock the i5/i7 to 4+ ghz. Seriously, that's one of the dumbest arguments I've ever heard about Core 2 vs i5/i7. How can even compare the two when you're changing variables on one but not the other?
Sorry I meant to say "rip the balls off" the second time.
The pathetic 256KiB cache per core and the 555$ price tag is a joke. The lower multiplier will ensure most people never see fast OC speeds on their boards/RAM.
Of course the i7 can be overclocked too; That was just to give an idea of the performance you can get from an older CPU that costs less than half as much and has better specifications than the i5.
On top of that its a scam like the Celeron/Sempron that doesn't perform the same clock for clock like the i7. You should be ashamed to have it in your CPU just like you should be ashamed to own a Celeron.
i5 750:
- Estimated price of $199
- This guy overclocking it to 4.2GHz (http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/254052-29-build)
- Its performance at stock beats the QX9770 and 965BE handily (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-core-i5,2410-11.html)
I don't see a lose here (yet)
Though if you'd need a hexacore in the future, you'd be better off on the 1366.
"How can even compare the two when you're changing variables on one but not the other?"
Easy. He has no money to buy one so it sucks.
I'm sitting happy on my Q9550 @ 3.6Ghz, thank you!
And I'm satisfied with my old school Q6600 at 3.6ghz... but that doesn't change the fact that i5/i7 destroys it, clock for clock. If users can actually take advantage of the extra speed and hyperthreading (not available in i5), it would totally be worth it to upgrade.
That is true, I have the Q9650, and I will have it still for quite some time. There really is no need for me to go i7, alot of it is marketing hype. Yes it is more powerful, but for those who are not using the threading or the extra bandwidth (think CAD/Premiere/Rendering etc) on real world apps, it is really not worth it for many, BUT they go for it anyway because its the latest technology. Its how us power hungry geeks operate :) If I didnt slap myself, I would upgraded early again, when the Q6600 was boring me, I upgraded to the 45nm Q9650 which had a substantial upgrade of cache to 12MB and a Bus Speed of 1333mhz among other things. In the end, the performance gain was marginal.
The i5-750 is going to be a hot seller. Just waiting for OEMs to start shipping new PCs with this and Windows 7.
>> "Just waiting for OEMs to start shipping new PCs with this and Windows 7."
Yes... because desktops are where OEMs are focusing their efforts these days.
I don't see huge growth in the "here is a new, fast computer... but it has to stay in one place" market...
/no offense :)
what are those notable caveats that tech savvy should heed of?;)
Can anybody who's really in the know tell me how these stack up to whats out there?? I am getting my cousin to build me a pc but I'm supplying all the parts. I have a choice between a Quad core Q9450, i7 920 so far and how will these i5 compare?? I'm thinking the i7 920 should be good for the next few years right??
i7 920 is the one you want.
Overclocking on that is an added bonus
Well the i7 920 will definitely future-proof you for a while (which is only 3-4 years in the tech world), but it really depends on what kind of applications you're going to be running on your PC. For modern gaming, benchmarks show that an overclocked Core 2 Quad is totally sufficient, and i7/i5 isn't going to make enough of a difference for you to notice. But, you should also note that purchasing a Core 2 Quad would require using a previous generation motherboard with an older chipset that will limit future upgrades. Also note that Nehalem (920,940,etc.) and Lynnfield (i5 and newer i7's) have different, imcompatible chipsets. For maximum upgradeability, I'd say go with an X58 and 920. If you just want to be able to play games for a few years, go with Core 2 Quad or i5.
I hope to do as much gaming as possible... I've always been behind when it came to pc gaming because my rigs could never go past medium settings...
The thing is, I can get the q9450 for somewhat significant amount less...
But since I hope to at least get 3-4 years out of my pc, I don't have a problem spending more for the i7 920.
Have u read the reviews, hit the read links under the article. That should give u a good idea of which ones are good, performance wise and price wise.
If you can get the Q9450 for $150, then go for it. Otherwise, i5 750 is a better choice at an expected retail price of $199. You should also be able to get a midrange P55 motherboard for $150, so it ends up costing around the same as a Q9450 + X48 combo, assuming you'd get DDR3 memory in both cases.
920 is too expensive, uses too much power.
Why buy 3x DIMMs when you can get more performance from an 860 in 2x DIMMs?
Mobos for a 920 are $175, mobos for an 850 are $100.
Do yourself a favor. Ignore the 920, get an 860.
And I say that as a person who has a 920.
@aznofazns
Newer i7's have the same socket? or just the same chipset? Could you clarify for me please? I believe 1156 is the socket for i5, 1336 for i7. To me going for the i5 is also an iffy move like getting a quad, as you are going for a totally different ballgame with a diff socket, Supporting two sockets is an odd move on intel , but given how diff the technologies of the two are, I understand.
@Professor Kaos: older i7's (Nehalem) use socket 1366, but the new i5's and i7's use socket 1156. It's also a little puzzling to me as why Intel would release different i7's on two incompatible sockets, but as I understand it, 1156 is catered mainly toward people on a tighter budget who still want the architecture of the first i7's in the form of a cheaper i3/i5, considering it has less CPU pins and only supports dual channel memory.
So what kind of CPU do you actually need to be able to play games right now& 2 years from now on? I was checking out system requirements for current games (Call of Jurrez 2, Fear2) and it seems like you can get by even with a P4 processor. Would it be fair to assume that If you have a Core 2 duo P8400 processor, you will need to up grade in like 2-3yrs?
A P8400 is sufficient for today's games but in 3 years you'll need to upgrade for the most demanding titles. System requirements are usually crap. They often list Pentium 4's and 4-year-old graphics cards but in reality you'd be getting terrible framerates, even at low res. They're basically the minimum in order to get the game to be playable at all.
Should be interesting to see how these stack up to the Phenom II X4 965 and 955 and see what AMD does with the pricing of those CPUs when these launch.
Did you even read the links?
Company here in Ireland that has them in stock already
http://www.komplett.ie/k/kcf.asp?id=3217&utm_source=komplett.ie&utm_medium=september09w37fb03_intel
@aznofans,Thanks for your feedback. Is it just me or is there is more emphasis on creating budget product with descent performance now days?. I felt like like you had to get a new GPU like every other year to play the most demanding games not long ago & It looks like companies like Nvidia and ATI aren't really focusing on high-end performance products, but they are focused on proving mid-end product for less $(Like ATI's HD4770 for example). Are CPUs going through the same kind of trend? I know this is just a layman's opinion, so I could be very wrong about this.. but it does look like descent gaming rig is becoming more and more affordable than ever.
Please don't spam about your site here, your only likely to get banned if you keep doing it. You've been warned.
Also, if it was in english, that would have fared you a bit better :)
Why is it all the reviews I read on CPUs have stock benchmark for a variety of tasks, possibly overclocking results, but just about never benchmarks on overclocked results. That's the only thing I care about frankly.
Because the average user who is building a PC is probably going to stick with stock. Also OEM's that build systems around these chips are neither going to allow the user to tweak the BIOS settings to OC or OC themselves and risk thermal issues when Billy Joe Bob and 100,000 other people puts their new Inspiron whatever number under the desk and heat builds up. Unlike Apple, Dell and co generally don't sit on the edge of the thermal envelope of what they system can take.
Yes, but that's the thing, the average user who buys prepackaged PCs is not the kind of person who reads these articles.
EAT THIS AMD!!!! HOPE YOU SINK ALL THE WAY TO THE BOTTOM!!!
These CPUs are in stock just about everywhere already: http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=776&type=expert&pid=15
Bad news for AMD, the pricing of Phenom II is going to have to drop dramatically to keep people interested. Sure, Phenom II is on par with Core 2 and just behind i5 in gaming, but that's just not enough to keep people interested.
They really need to get Istanbul 6-Core in the AM3 desktop package like... right now!
Phenom II X6 anyone? :)
If you have a Microcenter nearby, the i7 920 at $200 is a better deal. If you don't, i5 isn't bad, though their pricing is a bit weird right now considering the pricing of i7 920s in the past.