HTC Leo spotted once again, friends call it "HD2"
By Paul Miller 
posted Sep 20th 2009 2:54AM
posted Sep 20th 2009 2:54AM
[Via MobileTechWorld]
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HTC Leo will be dead when MS Project Pink arrives!
I don't think so. It seems to breath new life into winmo. I think that microsoft might produce a consumer OS/phone line and still keep developing WinMo, not destroy it.
Why would MS kill the best mobile business OS on the market when it is getting this good? HTC has done more than a bang up job with this one. If I was buying a smart phone (at any price point) I would have to say this looks to be the best combination of specs, OS and form factor I have ever seen.
oh great. Here we go again. Ignorant fanboy attitude's towards things nobody knows anything about except OLED and Tegra. In the past it worked out well, this will make it even worse.
@daniel
When buttons let people browse web pages as close as possible to the desktop experience?
I like buttons and all, but touch screen's benefits outweigh the weaknesses, imo.
even pink will run some kind of winmo or ce so why the hell would it kill the leo? Its like killing your own brother....stupid fanboy
I thought most of the handset companies were dumping Windows Mobile for Android. Microsoft should just wait until Windows 7 is ready and stop development of Windows 6.x. That Touch HD has some nice hardware, but it should be running Android instead. WinMo is losing market share by leaps and bounds and not likely to see any resurgence until late next year, if ever.
You know, I'm still waiting for the day that Engadget someone invests a magical software to detect and repel fanboyism and kick 'em all out. That's the day when we'll have a clean and smoooooooooth internet.
Daniel - stop using your phone when driving, jackass
Arrg.. Hardware is as good as software. Hence, WinMo device has become irrelevant.
Just tell me where to buy it in Taiwan! Will be there....
Peanut butter Jelly time!
OMG such screenism! Why do you constantly plug capacitive touch screens? It's like Apple all over again. Resistive is just as good, it's just different! Duh!
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I prefer resistive to be honest! Capacitive glass is always so 'sticky'... and you have to take your glove off to use it in the winter! Resisitive... no problem: use whatever you like to poke that screen! You can even stick a scratch-resistant coating on it.
Nobody knows for sure if this is capacitive! It can also be a multi touch resistive screen, since HTC filed some patents in that area and there were some demos of that tech in the recent past (not by HTC though)!
who uses gloves in the winter?
HTC's latest patent was for CAPACITIVE TOUCH THAT WORKS WITH GLOVES ETC....
Who are you people that stand out in the cold weather using your phone? We aren't talking just answering a call either cause you could do that with a non touch button. There must be many of you resistive touch lovers that spend long amounts of time outside texting or something. I live in the third snowiest city in the US, this doesn't seem to be a problem here. Why is it where you live? Or is that the best reason you rehash everytime. Please pick a new reason now because HTC has created capacitive touch that works with gloves or a stylus.
Capacitive or resistive, that screen is HUGE... comparatively with others on the market.
JT, Perry has a good point. I don't know what kind of little box you live in, but a lot of the world is cold in the winter. It really is a pain to have to take off a glove to answer your iPhone. I understand why Apple did it, but there really should have been more dedicated buttons on the iPhone. HTC has a way of providing traditional buttons as well as a big touchscreen. I hope they stick to that.
Oh yes, considering how much we all know about Pink.
Just...revel in the awesomeness of this, okay?
Battery life please? what's the fun playing 1 hr clip/music/ touching buttons/screen when not able to make calls!
Toshiba TG01 have the same hardware (more or less)...so I guess one can use it to get a hint at Leos battery life.
http://www.gsmarena.com/toshiba_tg01-2662.php
Looks like an awesome handset... yes, but
windows mobile is an overly flawed OS period. It's built on the same junk Microsoft has been recycling for years
OS X mobile
Android
web OS
RIM BB
all solid, and all good choices. Especially Android for this guy. HTC finally has a chance to get some horsepower behind android. Which I think we all would have loved
Oh, just call it iPhone OS! "OS X Mobile" just sounds pretentious.
so does correcting someone about pointless apple terminology
so does scolding someone about correcting someone about pointless terminology
I wish that there was a filter button that allows me to block comments that are made by people who simply love to hate. Please stop the hate comments, they are getting old.
Yes, WinMo fails, but HTC has replaced it so much with TochFlo that the software is almost decent, but unuseable on say a TouchPro 2 because of the resistive touchscreen. But with capacive, it would at least be in the same ballpark as Android/WebOS/iPhone Os. And it does win in one way, which is that you can download browsers with flash, and or opera mini. And as the commenter above said, call it iPhone OS. Even apple calls it that now.
so does...
Its actually called (by Apple)
Core OS
I just got a TP2. The screen is fantastically responsive.
The good thing is... that screen is huge!
The bad thing is... the device is even huger!
Oh, the trade-offs!
You know, maybe people here need to learn to look at the device's size, before they post all those "its to big" comments.
I have been comparing it to a Dell x50v PDA, what is perfectly pocket able.
x50: 119 x 73 x 17 mm
Leo: 121 x 67 x 11 mm
Yes, the Leo is 2mm longer, but! Its 6mm less width, and 6mm less think! Thats almost a difference off 1/3 less think. And the x50v can be perfectly placed in a pocket. That means that this device, is even more easy.
The reason why people keep acting rather stupid, and keep yelling "its to big", is because off a wrong perception.
* The device is not so curved as most devices. And the curving makes most a pda/whatever look smaller.
* The screen is 4.3", with very little to the side. Because we are all so used that a device has a large bezel, or whatever its called, people see the screen, yet, they only focus on the screen, and think its to large because they compare it in there minds with other devices, with a large wasted side.
So, unless everybody out there has child hands, its perfectly holdable. We will probable see the size problem mentioned in reviews, where they will state the same thing. Looks bigger then it actually is ( just what every guy likes to hear hahaha ).
*Uch*
This comment was for "Caleb B" with his "This phone is way too big!" post. Stupid reply system.
also, the iphone 3G(S) is 115.5 x 62.1. x 12.3 mm. so the Leo isn't much larger than that, but you get a screen that's nearly an inch bigger.
@Benjiro
Um, it's nice that you're calling people stupid for stating their opinion. Just because you throw out some dimensions doesn't mean that this device isn't too big in some peoples' OPINIONS. Maybe I think you're stupid for saying it's perfectly five. Wait no I don't, because I respect peoples' opinions unlike you. This device IS rather large compared to most phones, whether or not it can FIT in your pocket isn't the question. We're talking about size related to the common phone.
EDIT: Perfectly fine*.
Yeah...this thing is looks pretty freaking awesome.
At least you'll be able to make one or two calls before the battery goes dead, but you'll be looking good when it happens.
On a side-note, why am I dead again????
When the 5800 came out, they said the iPhone is dead. When I came out they said the 5800 was dead. When the Leo came out, they said I was dead. Now that there is news about Microsoft Project Pink, they say the Leo is dead.
The fuck is everyone so horny about watching phones "die"? I figure we grow up for 6 seconds, and not jack-off too much on specs and pictures...please?
because I don't wanna die =(....
People need to stop treating phones like Highlander. There can be more than 1, people!!!
so does correcting someone about pointless terminology
Can haz android?
Its a shame they didnt stuff a xenon flash into that behemoth. LED is crap, it struggles to adequately light up a square foot.
This phone is way too big!
I had iPhone and iPhone 3G, they were very nice, but after about a year, the battery starts dying and there is no way you can change it yourself, Apps are a joke! Sound quality is crap when you plug it to a decent audio player (I have a Harman/Kardon Receiver at home and Rockford Fosgate system in my car), now I bought HTC Hero, the phone is very solid but the OS is a big mess, Apps are crappier than the iPhone, ADS every where and it is boring!! I used to love SonyEricsson symbian phones, owned P800 and P900 and P1, but you know, Symbian :-S!!
Now I really want to go back to WinMo with it is lag, stylus and small buttons, but at the end of the day, it is the best mobile OS out there!
I think its great that the phone has a removeable battery, with it running windoze, every time it freezes you HAVE to remove it to reboot, the number one reason I dumped my HTC
@GeekGirl: +1. It sucks that that freaking douche of a company started the idiotic trend that is "non-removable batteries". Oh well, corporations will be corporations, right?
Funny, when my WinMo device (Kaiser) has an issue, I use the reset button...
Excellent phone with excellent specs and UI, problem... too big, I think 4.3" is overkill , a screen around 3.5" would have been better.
I always thought 4" was the perfect size.
You know typing on the iPhone's 3.5" is hell =/.
im gonna go ahead a say it...iphone killer...at least for me
It's a brick. Too big to be portable so no thanks.
its slimmer than an iPhone..WTH are you talking about?
I also find the iPhone too big.
And with a 4.1" screen this is going to be wider and possibly taller. I use a Nokia 5800 which is just right for me.
Someone bring this dude a phone the size of an iPod Shuffle.
it is 5.5 mm taller, 4.9 mm wider, and 1.3 mm thinner than an iPhone.
Yeah because the 5800 isn't bigger than a Shuffle.
Moron.
Well then this is perfect for you: http://www.textually.org/textually/archives/archives/images/set2/zoolanderphone.png
" Mugatu: I give you, "The Derek Zoolander Center for Kids Who Can't Read Good."
Derek Zoolander: What is this? A center for ants? How can we be expected to teach children to learn how to read if they can't even fit inside the building? "
Expect NBA endorsement.... that phone needs some big hands.
Or uma thurman
If the whole top of the device was display (ie, the LCD was flush with four edges as much as possible instead of just on two sides), and more resolution cause of that .. then it would have been great.
i m always worrying about battery that's why i resist iphones ...but the htc machines do no seem better that's depressing
Why cant they have an oleophobic/teflon coating on such a highend device.All those smudges make such a a gorgeous phone look cheap and dirty.
While that looks nice and all, is that thing going to fit in your pocket? These cell phones are coming closer and closer to becoming the handheld netbook, that you can hardly carry around comfortably. I'm happy with what I got.
When will an Android set come with such a nice screen and cpu power?!
You can always hope for a XDA-Developers port, since android supports WVGA now.
Hmm rumors have been floating about the Touch HD2 being a android device? and the back of the leo says HTC pro three so is this really the HD2. I mean just because the bluetooth says so it might as well just be a temporary name that have been given, because there is quite a bid saying it is not the HD2, isnt there?
you know, with a 1 ghz processor, you might want to amp up the ram to 512 or more MB...though I suppose the more ram you have, the more power required to run them
Now that's a huge bitch!
Snapdragon shows the way!
This phone will be most likely stored in the back pocket of the jeans since it's a bit too wide for the front pockets... meaning more risk of theft or screen cracking due to sitting down without realizing the phone inside the pocket.
That's got to be the dumbest assumption I've ever heard. Do you really go to the most nonsensical worst-case scenario if you see something you don't like?
I have a 2g iPhone and a 3gs I got about a month ago. This phone is the first that I've sort of drooled over mainly because it's supposedly capacitive touch and because of the screen size. I just hope the OS works nicely with it.
so, back to where the HX4700 left off?
It's the old "bigger is better" mantra. After this someone will come out with a 5 inch screen, then a 5.5....eventually we'll just be holding tablet pc's to our heads to make calls.
Bluetooth headset wearing people will be fine though, and maybe that's where a section is headed, while I don't know if 5 inches is too big, I would gladly have a slightly larger screen on a device I use as much as my desktop.
I just cant stop laughing looking at comments of experts saying "android is the bets for leo""put android here and there".android is somtgng like future maybe,but will it support all those techs inside?wont it be cooked by dat procesor and screen?maybe 2 androids can run at leo at the same time?and yeah,there are sooo many android apps,now I cant count them with my fingers of obe hand, I need to use both hands instead.yeah,win mo is laggy,it doesnt support proper color deep and is just bad-as most of you say. I used symbian most of my life,and comparing to winmo wm has more apps. And symbian is freaking good!of course,we should put iphone os up here, but this is the other story
so what ? are you suggesting symbian is best ?
6 lines of comment and yet you didn't make yourself clear at all
Rules of writing in English: be clear and concise. I don't know what your rambling is about.
Learn English, and then try your rant again. As it stands: all your base are belong to us.
Why are all snapdragon phones too big ? Toshiba TG01, Acer F1, and now this. Is it possible that snapdragon produces too much heat for a small chassis ?
I will just go ahead and say my heart skipped a beat when I saw the damn thing.
Wow. I don't care if its WinMo. Yes I'm a hardware whore.
Did I say Wow already?
God, I can't wait.
REAL Multitasking with a 1ghz processor and
no need for quicktime
no need for proprietary cables
no restriction of dragging and dropping (or copying) your music FROM/to your phone
no need for itunes or stupid syncing limitations etc
no special cable to connect to any computer
no need to encode my divx movies to play on my phone
no need to hack the phone to be able to use as a modem while on the train/ away from home
no worry about batteries when traveling, just carry a spare or two
I wonder if it can
shoot 720p video
use a stylus (I love the way WM phones like the touch HD allow you to jot down notes while on the speakerphone - on the phone)
output video
yeah baby, could easily be my next phone - for sure.
Video recording is disappointing at VGA resolution.
It's not clear if it will have video out, yet.
There's no stylus or a compartment for one.
Though seeing as this is a prototype, these may change til official debut
What does slow sales of HTC tell us? It should be obvious that Leo will
demise along with Windows Mobile.
dear apple: 4.3" screen. please burn that fact into your brains for the next iphone model. please.
So you'll wait till apple makes a 4.3" phone when this phone looks sexy,already has a great cam and a kickass processor and a huge online marketplace ?
Stupid fanboy is stupid.
"deccangroove @ Sep 20th 2009 4:43PM
So you'll wait till apple makes a 4.3" phone when this phone looks sexy,already has a great cam and a kickass processor and a huge online marketplace ?
Stupid fanboy is stupid."
Right, cause if you only got the 3gs a month ago, you would be smart to switch right? I've already posted this is the first phone that I have actually thought of getting based on screen size and if it really is capacitive touch. That being said, it's still a win-mo which I've had the unpleasant experience of using before so don't try and throw generic hardware specs around and sound intelligent with your fanboy comment dumbass.
The last generation of windows both windows mobile 6 and vista had the same problem that they were sluggish with basic or mid range hardware .I kept whining about vista on my laptop until i built a decent gaming rig and Vista SP1 ran super smooth and fast.
So im sure windows mobile can shine now coz it has a good harware platform to show its prower.
So you needed a gaming rig just to run the OS smoothly?!
Who's the stupid fanboy here?
JT. Screw you. I have a Touch Pro and the system loves to grind to a virtual halt when several things are going on at once. WM does not like to run on low end hardware. Period.
I'd tap that.....no really. My finger on the screen. Tap tap tap. I love the size of the screen. Actual web browsing without needing to scroll around the screen. And of course it will never be on T Mobile because that is how the roll....with square tires.
well hello sexy lady, mind if I buy you a drink?
Screw that. Hello sexy lady mind if I play with your buttons. Mind if I check out your interface?
And I just bought a HD. Oh well, I'll see what's around when my contract runs out. Plenty of time before this hits Australia, if it ever does.
ughhh... that one is big, i'd rather buy a pocket pc than this sh*t, so maybe i'll pass
I really like this phone. It could be slightly on the wide side from the photo, but that might be OK considering the aspect ratio of the screen. I look forward to getting mine! I wish they would hurry up and sell it already!
No stylus and no videocalls (to be confirmed) is very annoying...
How can a top WinMo Pda from HTC doesn't have Videocalls?!?!?! Very disappointed
@deccangrove, because i want this size screen on my future iphone i'm a "fanboy"? you're an idiot.