@ laxfan0930 : It's pretty hot down here. ( rolls eyes ) Not everyone jailbreaks for free apps. Did I get a couple free apps? Yes, I'll be the first to admit it. Do I still spend plenty of money in the legit App Store? Absolutely.
To me, the whole reason for jailbreaking is having control over your own damn device. For example: backgrounding, I can understand. That can kill your battery and cause memory issues. But why Apple thinks I should not be allowed to have wallpaper OOTB is beyond me.
when i go on the jailbreak forums and find hundreds of people pirating the TomTom app my jaw just dropped.
That's just 1 example out of I'm sure many more. If u think an app is overpriced find some other option. There are tons of GPS apps in the store that are much cheaper. If you steal then you will ruin it for everyone else because prices will be higher, companies will not be able to develop nice applications, and you force Apple to use more restrictive DRM.
This is not a huge movie studio were talking about here that can afford to have people steal their shit. These are small time developers, just getting their start, and you want to steal from them to save a few bucks.
but if apple allows people to install any application they want then how is apple going to control the apps that get installed for *quality* and more important how is Apple going to make developers fork over 30% of their income? After all you can just host your app on your own site right?
BTW jailbreak is still a go. Only it's maybe back to tethering for jailbreak. And in fact purplera1n works just fine on a brand new iPhone 3gs. The dev-team really needs to shut up and start actually doing something rather than telling Apple how to fix their software so the *new* tools no longer work.
laxfan0930, you made the mistake of equaling jailbreak with pirating, the majority of users who jailbreak do no pirate (correct me if I'm wrong but I saw it on macrumors), for me there are five essentials functions for the iphone that I can only get through jailbreaking: tethering, background app, VOIP over 3G, unlock, and customized springboard. These are pretty basic stuff that Apple decided not to offer to its customers, pirating a 99 cent (or $99) app never even crossed my mind.
why don't you just read reviews (do a .000001sec google search) like a normal person and you could have drawn the same conclusion without stealing $100 from TomTom. If you did like it would you have deleted the app and gone to the app store to download it legally? I cant say but most people nowadays would not I guarantee it. Yea its overpriced but there's other alternatives in your price range that you can afford. Let the market decide what the price should be not your own corrupted brain.
@hmmwv
so you can't just be patient like everyone else and wait for 3G VOIP which is coming very soon and tethering witch is also coming very soon. If you don't want to pay extra for tethering just say so but you cant say that AT&T is being greedy because they don't even offer it for any price yet so yea. I agree with you on backgrounding but one change does not mean that Apple should allow this breading ground for stealing and piracy. They have an obligation to their developers to make sure that their apps are not being stolen.
@ laxfan0930 : It sounds like you have a jailbroken phone, and have already pirated the TomTom app. Why else would you be on the jailbreak forums? For those who have pirated the TomTom app, please continue to do so. $99 for that app is outrageous. I don't think TomTom falls into the category of small time developers just getting their start.
As a 'small time developer', the moment I chose to develop something I knew there was a risk associated with people pirating content. It's inevitable. What bugs me is when a developer charges $2.99 for a 'paid version' that offers landscape keyboard. Charging for something that should be there to begin with? C'mon.. I could never justify charging for something that simple.
What's irritating to me is how Apple will not allow things like Stack (http://bit.ly/108ZAg) on the iPhone. If I rip off a Twitter client, 10 new clients will show up in its place within days. But something like Stack will never see the light of day on the App Store. So why on earth would I make donations to something that wont even make it on the legit App Store? Because I believe it's something that actually makes the device better, and I don't want to see projects like Stack die.
All I'm gonna say is.. if Apple had a test drive period (24 hours?) for their paid apps I wouldn't have to pirate them. What if you dropped $99 on an app that the reviewers said was great but in your experience it was utter horse shit?
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Funny. All Apple has to do to end jailbreaking permanently is let people install non App Store apps on their iPhones. Problem solved.
nah, because people would still want to do things like run background apps...
Then u couldn't get all the app store apps for free and rob all the developers who work so hard on their apps
If you gotta steal a 99 cent or even 2.99app u have serious problems and I hope u burn in hell
DAMN!
Ah well, theft is theft.
@ laxfan0930 : It's pretty hot down here. ( rolls eyes ) Not everyone jailbreaks for free apps. Did I get a couple free apps? Yes, I'll be the first to admit it. Do I still spend plenty of money in the legit App Store? Absolutely.
To me, the whole reason for jailbreaking is having control over your own damn device. For example: backgrounding, I can understand. That can kill your battery and cause memory issues. But why Apple thinks I should not be allowed to have wallpaper OOTB is beyond me.
Apple should allow backgrounding but...
when i go on the jailbreak forums and find hundreds of people pirating the TomTom app my jaw just dropped.
That's just 1 example out of I'm sure many more. If u think an app is overpriced find some other option. There are tons of GPS apps in the store that are much cheaper. If you steal then you will ruin it for everyone else because prices will be higher, companies will not be able to develop nice applications, and you force Apple to use more restrictive DRM.
This is not a huge movie studio were talking about here that can afford to have people steal their shit. These are small time developers, just getting their start, and you want to steal from them to save a few bucks.
Karma's a bitch.
@ laxfan0930
thank god I was able to test run the TomTom app in the first place cause it sucked ass. It has now been deleted.
but if apple allows people to install any application they want then how is apple going to control the apps that get installed for *quality* and more important how is Apple going to make developers fork over 30% of their income? After all you can just host your app on your own site right?
BTW jailbreak is still a go. Only it's maybe back to tethering for jailbreak. And in fact purplera1n works just fine on a brand new iPhone 3gs. The dev-team really needs to shut up and start actually doing something rather than telling Apple how to fix their software so the *new* tools no longer work.
laxfan0930, you made the mistake of equaling jailbreak with pirating, the majority of users who jailbreak do no pirate (correct me if I'm wrong but I saw it on macrumors), for me there are five essentials functions for the iphone that I can only get through jailbreaking: tethering, background app, VOIP over 3G, unlock, and customized springboard. These are pretty basic stuff that Apple decided not to offer to its customers, pirating a 99 cent (or $99) app never even crossed my mind.
@Jesus Valadez
why don't you just read reviews (do a .000001sec google search) like a normal person and you could have drawn the same conclusion without stealing $100 from TomTom. If you did like it would you have deleted the app and gone to the app store to download it legally? I cant say but most people nowadays would not I guarantee it. Yea its overpriced but there's other alternatives in your price range that you can afford. Let the market decide what the price should be not your own corrupted brain.
@hmmwv
so you can't just be patient like everyone else and wait for 3G VOIP which is coming very soon and tethering witch is also coming very soon. If you don't want to pay extra for tethering just say so but you cant say that AT&T is being greedy because they don't even offer it for any price yet so yea. I agree with you on backgrounding but one change does not mean that Apple should allow this breading ground for stealing and piracy. They have an obligation to their developers to make sure that their apps are not being stolen.
@ laxfan0930 : It sounds like you have a jailbroken phone, and have already pirated the TomTom app. Why else would you be on the jailbreak forums? For those who have pirated the TomTom app, please continue to do so. $99 for that app is outrageous. I don't think TomTom falls into the category of small time developers just getting their start.
As a 'small time developer', the moment I chose to develop something I knew there was a risk associated with people pirating content. It's inevitable. What bugs me is when a developer charges $2.99 for a 'paid version' that offers landscape keyboard. Charging for something that should be there to begin with? C'mon.. I could never justify charging for something that simple.
What's irritating to me is how Apple will not allow things like Stack (http://bit.ly/108ZAg) on the iPhone. If I rip off a Twitter client, 10 new clients will show up in its place within days. But something like Stack will never see the light of day on the App Store. So why on earth would I make donations to something that wont even make it on the legit App Store? Because I believe it's something that actually makes the device better, and I don't want to see projects like Stack die.
All I'm gonna say is.. if Apple had a test drive period (24 hours?) for their paid apps I wouldn't have to pirate them.
What if you dropped $99 on an app that the reviewers said was great but in your experience it was utter horse shit?
@ Mr.Blue
nope no jailbreak here. I was just looking for reviews the day after it came out and that site came up in a google search.