The
"there's a map for that" ad was a pretty aggressive way to broadside AT&T and the iPhone, but it looks like Verizon's just getting warmed up. We're hearing that the carrier will be kicking off a major new campaign this evening during the Yankees-Angels game that'll feature "a very different look and a whole new attitude," calling out the "iDevice" (their words, not ours) for all the things it can't do. That's a bold offensive for a carrier that historically has lacked breadth and depth in its smartphone lineup, but with the
big new Android releases coming down the pike, this might be perfect timing -- and a strong implication that we can seriously put those endless Verizon iPhone rumors to bed for a little while.
posted Oct 17th 2009 2:01PM
Multitask.
Expandable memory
Flash
Bluetooth file transfer
etc...........
Have service. Ever.
@10minutehobo~ does that...
Replaceable battery.
Uniqueness
background processes. open source. success for developers.
Front facing camera, video calls, proper file manager, high resolution display display, fm radio and on top of that it basically has less features than cheap S40 device (which isn't' smartphone).
Freedom: freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, and freedom of petition, freedom of choice,
Non-plastic enclosure
More than one day battery life
Blast Processing
5 megap. camera with flash
Tegra
"background processes. open source. success for developers."
erm... ipod email phone text and services run background plus push, osx is based off open source and gives back massively, hence every other smartphone manufacturer has apple to thank for there browsers, and success for developers? are you on crack?
keep 'em coming boys and girls, keep 'em coming: Phsyical Qwerty Keyboard.
Deserve such a high price tag.
Make the "Phone" part actually work.
No 2 yr data plan contract required compulsory. Can cancel the data plan after 3 to 6 months.
Good call quality. Good speaker phone.
Doesn't require external speakers for listening music or for alarm clock.
Crysis
Make me look unique
"Freedom: freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, and freedom of petition, freedom of choice,"
BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
its really sad that you are implying you are going to get that elsewhere. really.
come in the color I want
@hary536 Verizon is requiring smartphone users to have a data plan now as well for new activations. Go check their site. Try again.
@Suomaa,
The new iDevices have FM capability, it's just a matter of waiting for the higher powers to activate it
A built in microwave.
Not need iTunes sync to add/remove media. Allow for simple drag&drops.
Not need jail braking to do what should have been there in the first place.
@bob: as much as I love to see you trolls starve to death, let me address your last issue with my statement with simply this:
You're not a developer, are you. You obviously are not aware of the average price of app on the store. It's nearly impossible to make solid money on 70c a download. I'm practically working for free thanks to the app store economy. Please, tell me a real success story besides Trism or Tapulous of a small, individual developer making significant money on the app store.
Maybe you can find one. Either way, it's not widespread.
AMOLED
Can you read PALMs? It PREcisely does what I need it to do.
unicorns, obvs.
...except solid build quality, enough storage, steady flow of apps, etc.
I feel sorry for Oflife. His email must be polluted with Engadget messages.
analog stick
iDon't have a real keyboard.
iDon't run simultaneous apps.
iDon't take night shots.
iDon't allow open development.
iDon't customize.
iDon't run widgets.
iDon't have an interchangeable battery.
Everything iDon't...Droid Does
WOW EVAN!! That is the way to roll !!!! iPhone got own'd pwn'd nuk'd
@tikiteko
Evan was quoting DroidDoes.com. Those are real lines from the campaign Verizon is running.
adobe flash support, drag/drop, voice command
Flash... yawn
Replaceable battery... Cause u stay up all night swapping batteries to charge em
expandable memory/flash... Maybe
no physical keyboard... "I'm old and can't adapt to change"
can't multitask... FUD
no 3rd party background apps.. True and tedious
one day battery... "I've never had a 3g smartphone before"
2yr plan... "I'm an American and sad I'm not Australian"
only AT&T... "I'm an American and sad I'm not Australian"
have to use iTunes... "I'm so dumb I can't search the Internet for the available alternatives" (phoneview)
no front facing camera... True and partially tedious
Tegra and AMOLED... "look at me, I know some meaningless buzz words"
no themes... True and "I'm one of those people who has garish rainbow shit all over the desktop"
fm radio... Half true and marginally useful
no file manager... True and totally irrelevant
no success for devs... FUD
no crysis... True, useless phone!
Highres... "I'm clueless as to viewable resolution based on viewing distance and screen size"
now...
Can't Send iCal events. Can't install different codecs. Poor navigation / ordering options of apps. Can't work with gloves on. Poor access to key settings like tethering and networking. Can't beam contacts to other phones (non iPhone). the list goes on but i have to go...
There is plenty real things the iPhone could and doesn't do, then there is all the dumb parroted crud people say to show they read blogs and are sheep
Wow Cy, I'm glad you're worried about ical (how many people use that again?) and beaming contacts to other phones. I mean it's hard to type in a phone number, I'd rather go through the whole process of trying to get it to beam, watching it fail, and wasting time.
Everything everybody listed is completely relevant to what the phone should be able to do. The things you listed, most of them anways, not a whole lot of people care about.
Dudes! The Androids are coming! The Androids are coming!
There is the real site:
http://phones.verizonwireless.com/motorola/droid/?cmp=OTC-Droid-redirect1
I just got the feed from PhoneArena.... That is WAY WAY cool.
@Cy Starkman: Don't hate. You are breathing through the wound.
If Anakin Skywalker had a phone... It would be an Android.
If Homer Simpson had a phone... It would be an Android (Cupcake, Donut, yum)
If the iPhone could have a sex change operation.... It would want to become an Android.
If you were not locked on that stupid 2 year-contract... You would be drooling over an Android.
Consider yourself Droid'd.
May Google be with You.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPYM-XTqcec
I do feel bad for the Original Poster. If he enabled "Email me every response" lol.
Wow! Evan! That video is awesome.
I just saw tons of pictures of the interface at Boy Genius Report. It seems like they alreayd have a Droid !!!!!
http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/10/16/android-2-0-screenshot-walkthrough/
I had never had so much excitement and expectation since Android was announced. I just have a thing for that robot.
frickin' laser beams.
@tikiteto
no hate brus, there is plenty the iPhone is missing, it's just most people parrot stuff that they read and by demonstration don't have the analytical ability to write anything that is a real issue.
Now here's a freakin issue, not being able to click on the devs web link in the in iPhone AppStore. Not being able to even copy the link. It's useless. Here's another, that when you jump to safari from a link in email (for example) exiting safari drops you back to the home screen, not the app that linked - tedious every time. Here's another, there is no way to up/download via a website, occasionally frustrating. Spell checking while great doesn't seem to look on the page/email you are typing in response to meaning it will miss technincal words that are right there. Not being able to delete standard apps, like stocks, yet to never use them.
Or how about hardware, the silent button breaks off, it's a known issue in the batch, it's still in warranty but no go because the dock connector got splashed with water, which has nothing to do with the silent switch. Silly.
What I'm trying to say is that the iPhone has paragraphs, nay chapters of things that can be improved, are overlooked or just don't work well BUT people write parrot stuff that shows up their own brain failure and not the iPhones real short comings.
And not one person who mentions the battery ever responds with HOW they use and charge multiple batteries when you need to charge them in the device (as opposed to the nearly extinct external battery charger of yore). I don't disagree that the iPhone runs out of battery, but so did ALL my 3G phones over the last 5 years and in all of them I could not be assed getting up at 2am to change batteries so I could change batteries and have a spare charge.
Peace out :)
I don't even wanna know how at&t will counter this... It could get ugly.
Probably with the Droidell
Hopefully by upgrading their shitty network and reminding apple that their iPhone is in the same spot the Mac was in before they finally switched to PC hardware.
I like your avatar. It's very interpretive and I see that through your avatar you are trying to say that you are an asshole ;)
... and I see that through the sentiments expressed in your post that - It Certainly Takes One To Know One :-)
Wow you guys, the world exists outside this little tech site.
The iPhone is not some small cult minority, it's big. And it owns the smart phone market. And just like the Zune HD did not kill the iPod touch, nothing verizon can bring will kill the iPhone.
Apple will probably sue them for using a lower case i in front of a word.
The iPhone owns the smartphone market in the exact same way that Mac owns the PC market. 10-12% share.
It's popular in America where the average cell phone user doesn't know any better, and buys what ever P Diddy and Paris Hilton are using, just like they did with the RAZR.
The rest of the world actually uses their cell phones, and have passed on the iPhone.
Competitive marketing is a fact of the market. It'll certainly cause a response from AT&T, but I doubt very much that it'll change Apple's relationship with Verizon (read: tablet rumours).
Dude.
Best. Avatar.
@jon:
I couldn't have said it any better myself.
Although aside from the iPhone itself, the exclusive carrier that it is on, AT&T, is something that I've noticed that makes the iPhone lose quire a handful of customers. I've known several people who have wanted to get an iPhone but decided not to due to AT&T's shitty network and plans.
In many European countries and other places of the world, you sign up a contract, longest usually being 6 months. In America you're stuck for 2 YEARS with all 4 major carriers unless you go for prepaid.
Who knows, in the future we might as well be asked to sign up a contract with Time Warner Cable/Verizon DSL whenever we buy a PC..
Hehe the iDoesn't - I love the genius behind that pun.
Looks like Verizon has hired one sarcastic/genius son of a gun as their advertising head. :D
Sega does what Nintendon't!
Verizon does what iDoesn't!
Someone beat me to it :(
You, sir, get a plus 1
I concur. Totally took the words out of my... uh keyboard.
Verizon phones are gonna have blast processing!
First thing I thought when I saw that was Sega.
I really hope Verizon whips out those Android phones soon.
I was thinking the same thing. Clearly Verizon has hired former Sega marketers.
Preston, that may not be a good idea. Look where Sega is now compared to the Genesis days.
The proper ad slogan was, "Genesis Does, What Nintendon't!"
And yes it is quite obvious that whomwever Verizon is using for their Droid marketing, simply just rehashed what someone else did back in 1989 - 1990 for SEGA Genesis marketing.
In either case, the tactic does apply. The Genesis was helluva lot better system than the NES, which was Nintendo's system at the time . . . a system I might add, that according to Nintendo, they never, ever had any plans to phase out with a better product. The only reason the SNES ever came into existence is because Genesis/Megadrive was shitting all over Nintendo market share, and Nintendo was forced to bring out a new system, or lose it all.
Fast-forward literally 20 years, and the iPhone pretty much sits at the top of market share (at least in the States) as the NES once did. And just like Nintendo, Apple has no plans on making the iPhone a real product that is actually capable of doing half the stuff competing products could do. Every iteration of the iPhone is worse than the model before, for the simple reason that with each iteration is an opportunity for Apple to make a true, fully featured smartphone out of the iPhone, and with every iteration, Apple sits content with only delivering the bare minimum experience. Each iPhone is worse than the one before, for no other reason than each successive iteration represents a missed opportunity; a failure to produce a product that is little more than a toy. iPhone is the new Sidekick. And just like the Sidekick, were it not for the fact Apple can pay vapid celebs to be seen in public with them, it would not sell anywhere near as well as it does. Of course the iSheep crowd are going to buy into iPhone, it's a status symbol of their level of devotion to Steve Jobs and company - in a real sense, it's a lot like Scientology; the deeper your "devotion", the more money you throw at it. But without celeb power, the rest of consumers who are usually a pretty practical lot, they would not stick around for iPhone, especially not stick around on crap network like AT&T.
A simple slogan, "Genesis does, what Nintendon't," started the ball rolling of allowing SEGA to walk away with over 50% of Nintendo's market share - down from the 90% market share Nintendo owned prior to SEGA's aggressive ad campaign going into high gear. The slogan was simple, yet deep. Easy to remember, even to this day, rolls off the tongue in an almost melodic pattern, and most importantly of all, illustrated to consumers just how weak and flawed and old, the NES was.
Verizon's iDon't campaign looks to capitalize on a lot of the same things that made the Genesis Does campaign so wildly successful. While the slogan, "Everything iDon't, Droid Does," is no where near as catchy at the SEGA slogan from two decades ago (the fact that you can't really sing it, is proof of that), the entire play on words with "iDon't" is going to stick in people's heads. The fact that you can preface any number of sentences with the term "iDon't", is simply brilliant. It gives Verizon a nigh endless list of slogans to pull from (literally one for every feature missing from the iPhone; and those missing features are legion) that they can play on for at least a couple of years. And if they push the "iDon't" campaign into high gear over the next few months, they have the makings of a meme as big as the iPhone meme itself. With the right push, people everywhere could be using the term, iDon't in everyday usage. With the right push, it will become hard to actually think of either term (iPhone and iDon't) without thinking about the other term. It's potentially brilliant marketing, as it has the potential to turn iPhone's very name into negative publicity for Apple's product.
Just like with the RAZR and Sidekick and StarTAC and the V60 and the T68i and a dozen other mobile phones I can mention, everyone (who are not iSheep) knows that iPhone cannot remain on the top of the pile forever. Products come and go, rise to the top and eventually come crashing down into obscurity. Rarely has anyone been able to actually pinpoint and exact turning point when a popular product is about to take a dip when it is happening. However, with the rise in popularity, versatility and diversity of an OS like Android, the resurgence of Palm with WebOS, the general terrible state of AT&T's network, and AT&T's nonchalant attitude about it, T-Mobile finally turning over a new leaf with their data network, rate plans and smart devices, and now Verizon getting super aggressive with their marketing campaign, directly targeting AT&T and iPhone as all around inferior products in their ads, the days of the iPhone being the number one selling smart device anywhere, are numbered. Market forces are literally beginning to turn on Apple from all sides, and unless come next summer Apple produces a 4th generation iPhone product that is not only an entertainment device, but can also rely on more than just cheap gimmicks and work as a serious smartphone, expect to start seeing iPhone marketshare to all start unraveling as early as H2 of 2010.
But then again, three years on top is about in line with previous devices that took the mobile world by storm the way the iPhone has. Both RAZR and Sidekick only survived for about three years at the top of the pile before being dethroned. Same goes for the V60 and the T68i. I think the StarTAC lasted longer, but only about a year. So yeah, unless Apple does something radically different with their 4th iPhone, it'll be a downhill slide beginning their fourth year producing the brand. Like Moto with RAZR and Sony Ericsson with the T68i, Apple will try to mitigate their downward slide by bringing the iPhone to more carriers starting with the 4th iteration, however in the long run it will not matter much as most consumers would have started to move on anyway. The iSheep will remain faithful no matter what, but that is to be expected. But I think in the coming year we are going to start to see more consumers move on to better products from other device makers - if for no other reason than to just get away from AT&T.
PS - This post turned out to be waaaaaaay longer than the three simple sentences that I intended when I started writing. Sorry about that.
so they dont want people to buy there other phones or do they just want the people who like to pay less than $60 a month see what they're missing
Could be the Pre since Sprint's exclusivity contract is rumored to be up in a few months.
To attack the iPhone you nee more than the Pre in my humble opinion. No that the Pre is a bad phone but its footprint is not as the iPhone and it has some of the missing elements the iPhone has as well.
no its the motorola droid they are talking about... just go to droiddoes.com and it takes you to verizons homepage
The Pre has been confirmed for verizon.
droiddoes.com does not belong to Verizon
There will be a surprise Nokia smartphone next year on Verizon.
So... what will Verizon say if they're actually offered the iPhone? "Nevermind" isn't going to cut it.
Offer it to the people who still want it and collect the money?
Do you really think Apple will offer them a iPhone after they start bashing them instead of ATT?
@ jaylittles
Dont you think Verizon knows this before starting this campaign. There is no future deal between Verizon and Apple. I could be wrong. If Apple goes with Verizon after this campaign, We'll know who gave in. APPLE...
SP.
Also, I think Verizon is going with the smaller-fish-but-bigger-numbers strategy.
The iPhone is (in the public mind) still the big ticket, but it's still a one-device act; you can get a whole bunch of other top-tier products that individually might not sell as well as the iPhone, but together would probably put iPhone sales to shame.
And it works on two fronts: 1) not everyone on the network is going to want the exact same phone, so greater selection = greater overall user adoption, and 2) AT&T already suffers from iPhone data deluge (or maybe their network is just subpar), so launching a device lineup with breadth (targeting different usage demographics) will potentially allow them to manage their network better, according to those usage segments.
The Verizon CEO will be made to confess deliberately contracting syphillis and apologize and pledge his allegiance to Steve Jobs.
The iPhone is great for publicity, but doesn't bring in any actual money for the carriers. It's a proven fact. Operators such as At&T and Singapore's Singtel are bleeding cash because they subsidised the iPhone at unrealistic levels after buying them from apple at no significant discount. Normally, the 2 year contract takes care of this, but with the iPhone users using up as much data as they can, this isn't happening either.
Multiple analysts have remarked how operators shouldn't promote one Hero device at la loss at the cost of ignoring several devices that they can actually afford to give away for free (with contracts) and still make money. Before any iSlave jumps in and yells "FUD"! go here, register and download the report that proves this with hard numbers:
http://www.strandconsult.dk/sw3896.asp
I bet they are just being feeling dumb for they rejecting the iPhone and the 10million, $100+ plans users thats came with it.
Well the $100 plus plans was all on AT&Ts shoulders. Doesn't necessarily mean Verizon would have gone that route. Maybe they are kicking themselves for passing on the iPhone, maybe not. The iPhone has been both good and bad for AT&T. Yeah it brought in customers, but how many of them are going to stick around once their contract is up. Lots of people hate AT&T.
Please explain why Verizon feels this way...Lets take a look at the fundamentals. Even after the 10+million users and $100+ plans. What did it do the ATT stock price? NOTHING. It lined Apples pockets but not ATT. Verizon has been doing just fine with out them. now check Verizons stock price. NIIICCCEEE... If Verizon gets the iphone in the future it will only increase their revenue on Verizons terms. Verizon knows Apples iphone needs their network so theyll cut a deal that Verizon wants and not what Apple gets.
SP.
Let's not forget it hobbled AT/T's network, causing much customer angst.
Reminds me of those old "NintenDON'T" ads.
oops, i read this wrong. this is just begging for arguments. where are the ifanboys
Im about 2 iPhone crashes away from telling Apple to shove it and switch from TMobile to Verizon. Im tired of waiting to find out if Verizon is ever going to get a iPhone. This is very disappointing to me since I've spent so much money on Apps and Apple is too stubborn to break their exclusivity with the shittiest cell phone company ever.
See the light. Join those with webOS, Android and even WinMo.
The only thing that is keeping me is that in 2 years I've spent over $500 in Apps and use almost all of them and the Android phones dont have alot of them!
I have never bought an app and the only way I would is if it were something very very good. I would hate myself for spending so much on apps if I were you.
My iphone constantly crashes too, and loses signal. I don't think AT&T is all to blame, I have non-iphone friends with AT&T and standing in the same spot as them they get signal and I don't. Nor do I think my phone is faulty, I think the iPhone is just an over hyped sucky phone.
"see the light?" And people call Mac users religious fanatics? Wow.
AT&Pwned - lol.
Hahaha the people at AT&T are probably like "what the fuck, man?"
Iphone lovers wont like this...What did you say fanboy? You have 85k apps!?!?! Oh okay. ill enjoy my Ferrari (HD2) with few cups holders while you enjoy your hyundai (iphone) with 85k cupholders...Eat my dust.
SP
don't own an iphone but that is a terrible analogy
Plus you can't use more than one cupholder at a time on the hyundai.