Some more perspective on the DROID and multitouch
To begin with, Apple's various patents on multitouch functionality haven't changed since we last looked at them vis-à-vis the Pre back in January -- pinch-to-zoom hasn't been magically added to their claims. Now, Apple's had nearly 300 additional patents granted since we wrote that piece, including two that seem to cover the iPhone's soft keyboard, but a quick skim doesn't indicate anything that implicates pinch-to-zoom. It's certainly possible we could have missed something, but we're going to proceed under the assumption that nothing about Apple's patent portfolio has changed in regards to multitouch pinch-to-zoom since our piece on the Pre last January, as we haven't seen or heard anything to the contrary.
That's not to say the situation is entirely the same, however -- in fact, some major developments have gone down in the past 11 months. First, Palm actually shipped the Pre, replete with pinch-to-zoom and the specific locking-scroll behavior covered by one of Apple's patents, and we haven't heard a peep from either company about pending litigation -- they seem content to fight some sort of super-lame iTunes proxy war instead. Still, Palm's a pretty small player in the big scheme of things, and Apple could be waiting for it to blow
If Google was so fearful of patent litigation we doubt Android 2.0 would have multitouch support built-in. |
But there's been another massively high-profile product launched in the past few months with multitouch pinch-to-zoom enabled: Windows 7, accompanied by a slew of multitouch computers, all of which support pinch-to-zoom in at least Internet Explorer and the photo browser, and many of which bundle in additional apps to make use of the gesture. On top of that, the Zune HD has pinch-to-zoom, as does Microsoft Surface. We can't imagine Steve Jobs would be watching competitors like Microsoft, HP, Lenovo, and Sony all introduce major new products that feature pinch-to-zoom if he could prevent it with the threat of patent litigation.
So that brings us back to the DROID as it ships in the States, with no built-in pinch-to-zoom and no multitouch keyboard, but the obvious capability of supporting both. Is Google so afraid of a mythical patent Apple hasn't yet enforced that it's purposefully leaving features out of its OS? We just don't think so -- if Google was so fearful of patent litigation we doubt Android 2.0 would explicitly have multitouch support built-in. We'd say there are two much more likely scenarios: either Apple and Google have an agreement to limit Android in some way (which would jibe with some old rumors about the G1), or Google just hasn't gotten around to implementing multitouch in its apps yet, and it wanted as much control over the DROID as possible -- which explains reports we've heard that claim the MILESTONE's pinch-to-zoom is a Motorola addtion, similar to what HTC did with the Hero.
Unfortunately, chances are we'll never know what to make of this truly odd limitation in an otherwise standout device. Hell, we may never even know who made the final call to leave multitouch gestures off the DROID -- Google's statement to us kind of makes it seem like it was Verizon's decision. But we do know that multitouch gestures like pinch-to-zoom are clearly going to be a huge part of future interfaces, and the sooner everyone comes clean about what they can and can't do, the better. Now -- has anyone heard of any tweaked DROID ROMs?
























Sense UI (it's HTC only... and it rocks compared to 2.0 and Blur when it comes int just UIs).
I like the double click zooming feature because you can do with only one hand. It's very hard to do multitouch with one hand.
I highly doubt that the lack of multitouch is because of patent issues. If that was the original concern then it should be gone now. If Apple does have a patent that covers the pinch to zoom, they haven't done anything to protect that patent in so many currently released products that if they finally decided to go after one, they wouldn't win just for the fact that they haven't protected the patent in other cases. If a company doesn't fight to protect a patent whenever it is infringed upon, it basically becomes invalid and they can't protect it in future situations.
Go back to IP school son. Failure to bring an infringement action doesn't invalidate the patent. Apple could drop the patent hammer 5 years from now on all of the past sales of every device that infringes on their patents and even if its the first time that hammer comes out of the toolbelt, it's going to be shiny and new and put a nice indentation in the side of someone's head. You won't even need Dexter to tell you what type of hammer was used...
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How the hell can Apple patent pinch to zoom? It's clearly been around long before the iPhone. Look up Jeff han's video or even the movie Minority report. Maybe Tom Cruise should get the pinch to zoom patent?
You not supposed to be granted a patent on something you didn't invent. Apple can't get a pinch to zoom patent because they didnt invent it. Seriously, youtube minority report ui http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwVBzx0LMNQ and also the jeff han demo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zGDNFpOMcA
The phone has Multi-Touch, the apps don't, it's likely part of Google's original deal with Apple, relating to the apps they offer on the iPhone, but as people have pointed out, everything that ships on a Google Experience phone is open source, all you will have to do is get new binaries for the specific apps which have been compiled with multitouch support enabled. You won't need to root it or change roms or anything like you had to on the G1. Android 2.0 has multitouch, it's the apps that are lacking.
Exactly. And less than a week after the OS is available for developers there will be multitouch-enabled versions of all the default apps in the Android Market. This means you will have pinch-to-zoom in your browser, and probably lots of other places.
Also, all 3rd-party Android developers will be able to include multitouch, including pinch-to-zoom, in any apps they create. In fact Phandroid has a video demonstration of an app called PicSay that already has this functionality enabled in it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cM1JSFXnQpg
This phone is sweet but damn the HD2 is even sweeter. I have to wait for it now. Sorry, DROID =*( And now that I have FINALLY seen someone demonstrate the damn landscape texting mode I'm am for sure waiting for it. I'm a must have physical keyboard guy but this things screen is so huge texting looks so easy on it. YES!!!
Check it out here. I think its in Italian but it's HD and the guy has a great shot of the phone here.
Texting demo at 11:27
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FR9eTrVyC0
It used to be called "price collusion." Now it's "feature collusion." Apple + Google = 69
If we are to believe it was actually Verizon's call then the obvious rationale is they have another Android phone they want to promote/market based on its multi-touch support. It sounds stupid but that's the type of company Verizon is historically. I don't believe they suddenly changed their ways overnight.
Droid eris? It does have Sense UI, with the multitouch in the browser...
engadget seems to be too obsessed about a minor feature like pinch-to-zoom which can otherwise be achieved by double touch.
The argument that Google fears being sued for implementing multi-touch doesn't stand because:
1) Android 2.0 has inbuilt multi-touch support.
2) Milestone, the European version of the Droid has got that feature.
3) Android, technically, is an OS of the Open Handset Alliance (http://www.openhandsetalliance.com/) of which Google is one among its many partners. It is another matter that the media and the Companies have been promoting Android as the OS of Google for branding purpose.
I am an Apple fanboy.
Droid will fail just like other Android devices. all you can do is go around asking people if "Can you hear me now?"
Its easy.... Verizon is courting Apple for the IPhone...duh.
The official Verizon Droid website lists Multi Touch in small print on the circular list.
It sounds more plausible that, just as the Google statement said, Verizon is disabling this feature in order to create a distinction with future phones, ie. the Verizon iPhone hopefully coming in 2010. I know... it's shocking that Verizon would ever disable anything.
Oh geez....here we go again...with the whole verizon disables everything....
I don't think that this will be a big deal, the phone obviously supports multitouch - I'm looking to the dev community for a solution.
Come Apple, sue someone already! Then this mystery wrapped in an enigma will be cleared up for all our sakes....
An htc with android hmmmh.
For me that's like a Hyundai with a glossy single layer paint.
Apple iPhone 3gs what automatically comes to mind BMW m5 500hp v10. With 5 coat jet black onblack paint. Riding on some chrome 22's Giovanna with 5" deep lip 30 series in the back n 25 series in the front riding on some pirelli zeros. Just saying. Am I alone here. ?
I can't wait till nov 6.
Dying to see initial sales numbers.
Sales is a reflection on desirability rate of a smartphone.
pardon me if this has already been said, but "pinch to zoom" isn't accurate. it's pinch to unzoom, really. or unpinch to zoom. i don't know. maybe i'm messed up in this, but that kind of stuff bugs the crap out of me.
please, if this offends you, carry on.
Apple should not be allowed to patent intuitive gestures. The technology that enables multitouch deserves a patent not the gestures.
Maybe Google, Verizon and Motorola together decided to keep multi-touch out of the basic software.
Why?
They all need more compelling apps for the app store, so they can sell phones/bandwidth/search results.
What better way to get developers comfy tweaking and writing for Android 2.0, than giving them an easy, and obvious, challenge?
Google doesn't want to write a quality music app (etc.), they want a music enthusiast developer to write a great one, and thus give people a reason to use the app store.
If Google doesn't include supported features, its because they are playing at something, and building a bigger and better Android developer community is a worthwhile goal.
I must be missing something in this article. you see, i can't separate the concept of 'pinch-to-zoom' from the name of your bootloader. or maybe, who owns the rights to the half-trigger shutter button for a camera? it's just that they got to the interface type first, so they decided on the first well-known default command structure.
i can't understand why the software interpretation of any input command could be 'owned' in this respect. the makers of 'kleenex' can't possibly own the rights to the square or the rectangle (shapes of individual cloths that define the interface, depending on where viewed).
blah. please if you can help me catch what i'm missing, do. thanks.
OK, let's throw more fuel on this fire:
Motorola has patents that Apple is clearly infringing. How do I know? Because it was part of my job at one of those companies. Here's a taste: US 6,246,862. There are more.
SO, this issue of worrying about others patents is bogus when you are a big dog. The big companies use their patents for 3 purposes:
1. Defensive to get lower licensing terms for standards,
2. Defensive to enable cross-licensing with other big companies,
3. Or if possible, obtain an exclusive advantage that ends up in a product or service, and/or make money on licensing terms.
Most patents filed are of poor quality because they cannot be vetted by examiners properly due to many reasons: volume of applications, domain expertise, etc. This is can go into a huge debate on patents in general (there is value and reason to them, it's just that there is widespread abuse).
Motorola should be collecting a license for every iPhone that has ever shipped. There SHOULD be a shareholder class action lawsuit against Motorola for failing to leverage the HUGE investment the company has made over the years (it used to be #2 in yearly patents filed behind IBM). Instead, the company shrinks from a $30B company to a $12B company and fires so many people that almost all the talent has voluntarily left. So if you hear that Motorola has retained its talent, estimate they retained 5% of their best talent. Anyway, I digress...
Bottom line: the device makers can abuse most patents since they usually violate eachothers patents anyway and end up in a cross-licensing deal. The fact that it has taken this long for Nokia to sue and Motorola has never done so after they have been told, means that Apple rakes in higher profits than these other telecom companies who pay eachother royalties and cross-license technology. It is time for Apple to pay their FAIR share (they will still be wildly profitable, of course for the time being until they hit their RAZR effect at some point in the future).
Ahahhahh, keep telling yourself that...as I upgrade my G1 to yet a newer more robust Adroid rom...I love the smell of freedom!
@nick's first comment. so spot on. I actually can't think of a reason that you'd need to have pinch to zoom or enlarge on a 3-4in screen. it was obviously engineers who did something cool but its not that useful except for something like a touch surface where the whole idea is to use hand gestures.
with that said, i actually think i like the DROID even more because the zoom slider enables one hand zooming and then of course you have tap to zoom.
The browser supports add-on apps so why doesnt someone just create an app for it?
I love my Droid im coming from a Windows Mobile phone and I have Horrible Battery Life. I just learned that you can turn off apps and that the phone has Multi touch .. So exciting lol I made a video showing everyone how to do it also if your interested .. Hope it helps some people out
http://www.guysfromqueens.com/?p=765
I'm going to do whatever to my phone that I have to to get multitouch on it. I use AnySoftKeyboard and I've been modifying the colemak.xml layout file myself and testing it in an emulator on my laptop.. I have GOT to have multitouch. Also, I paid $2 for this piano app and I can only hit one key at once, which is utter garbage.
My ETF is only $175. If it's Verizon that did this..
They also removed settings from Android and protected APN files that would allow one to prevent apps from using their 3G network, so they can be sure to nail you for data usage whether or not you have an unlimited plan. --although their web site is so confusing I can't tell what part of my plan even includes my unlimited data access..
I think there is a lot of confusion on multi touch, in no small part thanks to Engadget's other article with a title that says the Nexus One doesnt have it. The Nexus One is multi touch capable. Period. But many Google Apps dont use this functionality. Period. There is another scenerio as to why Google apps dont use multi-touch/pinch to zoom... they dont think it is important. Period.