The egg had to come before the chicken right? Well either way, one of 'em came first and in the case of the latest Blu-ray feature,
Managed Copy, the Blu-ray Discs will come before the hardware. Less than five months since
AACS was finalized and the
details of Managed Copy were revealed and so far we've only
seen one demo and not a single product announcement. This doesn't surprise us, but AACS-LA is apparently surprised because although all Blu-ray Discs sold after December 4th have no choice but to allow at least one copy to be made, the requirement to label the packaging as such has been postponed until Spring of next year. We'd expect at least a few products that support Managed Copy to be announced at CES and although we highly doubt any stand-alone Blu-ray players will sport this feature anytime soon, we do have our hopes on PC software and expect a few movie jukebox devices like
Kaleidescape -- that we won't be able to afford -- will be announced at the big show in Vegas.
posted Nov 7th 2009 2:34AM
Thats alright, I managed to make copies already without their help. Thanks for nothing greedy movie studios.
hahah, same here! the sony turds are making people shell out more money for another version of their player. what a cr@p format.
Great. So if I try to play by the rules and load a "managed copy" copy onto my PMP for a coast to coast flight.., I get a screen load of fail because my PMP can't find an internet connection to ask permission to play a movie I bought? This is, of course, assuming that it even understands your new mutilations to the BLURAY format. Or maybe I'll just "rip it and forget it."
Who do companies fail so hard when they try to implement DRM?
The train has already left the station. The MPAA can either try (and fail) to make everyone a criminal, or figure out a way to make money giving people what they want. This is a fact that no amount of lawyering can change. They may as well try to put DRM on gravity.
shhhhhh! they might copywrite it.
Oh great and i thought qflix was a fail. so let me get this straight I am going to need to buy a new bluray player a new bluray burner new bluray media and i am going to have to pay twice as much for it all to be allowed to exercise my rights to one backup copy. wonderful just wonderful. i would really like to be a fly on the wall at the meetings where they dream this stuff up
Or better yet, a hornet on the wall, I'm sure the stinger will be needed at some point.
dont blame me i wanted hd-dvd to win....
Both HD DVD and Blu-ray used AACS for DRM, so while there were differences, this wasn't one of them.
The difference is the HDDVD spec was complete at release, and features like this were mandated. They weren't tacked on 3 years later forcing everyone to buy new hardware.
Actually early on, the stated reason that Microsoft was in the HD-DVD camp was because the BluRay spec wasn't going to allow managed copy and HD-DVD was. Microsoft really only cared about the format battle because thye wanted to ensure people would be able to play media on their computers and transfer it to their portable players.
Once the battle heated up, BluRay eventually gave-in to the managed copy concept in order to sway more parties to their camp. This is the reason that it did not launch when BluRay shipped.
tchandleriii,
HD DVD had it from the beginning huh, then lets see you make a Managed Copy of your HD DVDs. Exactly, you can't because AACS wasn't finalized while HD DVD existed. If it did still exist it'd probably be in the same boat since AACS was just finalized in June.
RandomGuy,
Typical HD DVD half truth. Blu-ray always planned to support Managed Copy, what Microsoft thankfully stood up for was MANDATORY Managed Copy, which like you said Blu-ray now has too. This is an important distinction because what use is a Movie Juke Box if it doesn't work with all of your movies?
"it'd probably be in the same boat since AACS was just finalized in June."
I disagree. So going by the information you provided HD-DVD included mandatory managed copy from the beginning, and BluRay added it later. Sure you may not have been able to copy your discs until now (though I think the HD-DVD camp was more gung ho about it might have come about a bit quicker), but I don't think they would have had the problem tat BluRay now has. If the article was correct, previous and currently released discs do not support managed copy. Whereas, with HD-DVD the intention for mandatory managed copy was always in place, and wouldn't require a flag to state whether managed copy was allowed or not, as BluRay apparently does. Even if there were a flag on HD-DVD discs, it would have been enabled from the get go, as it was mandatory.
So you may not have been able to copy your movie yet, but you wouldn't be looking at your stack of BluRays you have invested in and saying "Damn I should have waited"
Is there seriously anyone outside of Hollywood that thinks this is a good idea?
Adding a simple option: "route all audio on bluetooth earset"?
"NEW PRICE: $$$"
Says it all.
How about i just purchase the movie and then pirate it online? Or better yet just pirate it online.
Saves me and you a ton of money.
When they crack Managed Copy encryption, I can't wait - it'll make piracy all the much more easier. Why bother with all the nasty ripping and re-encoding when you can just use the movie company's work as your own?
Managed Copy can use different encryption it depends on the application. The initial implementation is expected to use Microsoft's PlayReady DRM.
Since blu-ray has come out i have purchased over 50 movies thinking that i will at some point be able to use the copy as i like. but im getting sick of being on lock down with what i do with my copy i have purchased! Is it to much to ask to be able to backup my purchased copy to my ps3 so that i can have my collection on the hard disc! As soon as someone finds an easy way to rip these discs then hollywood wont be seeing a penny of my money. Them fucks can choke on them for all i care. This is what happens when you play by the rules.
AnyDVD HD & Handbrake (or ImgBurn)
How many blu-rays are you going to fit on your PS3 hard drive? I have a 320 GB hard drive installed in mine, and I could only fit maybe five discs worth of content with the space I have left. That is, if I keep the video at MP2 1080p. Why would I want worse quality? It seems the only realistic way to back up a BD is onto another BD. Unless you only have a few.
Or you could back it up to a Media Center PC. 2 TB drives are cheap,often on sale for under $150, and you could fit about 80 average BluRay movies without compromising quality or most special features. That works out to less than $2 per BluRay. If you also archive your DVDs you can rip about 250 or so to a 2TB drive, special features and all working out to about 60 cents a DVD.
Currently this is of course illegal, and I would never suggest someone do it, but if they did, it could make for an easy to navigate library where discs don't end up lost and scratched and jumbled about their entertainment center.
I am just saying it is viable to back up to a usable system using Hard Drives instead of Optical media.
The difference is the HDDVD spec was complete at release, and features like this were mandated. They weren't tacked on 3 years later forcing everyone to buy new hardware.
RandomGuy,
I already had this debate (link below) and the bottom line is you can't make copies of HD DVDs without breaking AACS. But if you want to rehash the whole thing, read the old discussion first, then lets pick up from there.
http://www.engadgethd.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/comments/19384266/
Read the entire thread and don't see your argument being any more valid.
You are saying that you cannot make a managed copy of an HD-DVD, which I agree, the spec is dead and a managed copy will never exist, but that was not my argument. My argument was that if HD-DVD had survived you would be able to make a managed copy of those older titles, and with BluRay you can't, you have to wait for new discs where it is allowed.
There was some back and forth on the thread about the server infrastructure for managed copy not existing even up until the time of demise of HD-DVD, but that seems insignificant. I am an IT infrastructure guy and it is not uncommon to put a pre-existing pointer in place before the system is up and running. It is naive to think that it couldn't be implemented just because the servers weren't up yet.
So yeah, the other thread has not swayed me in the least. HD-DVD had a more complete spec from the beginning and would have made the transition to Managed Copy far more seamless. Of course at this point I think the point is mostly moot. I don't see BluRay ever succeeding to the point of DVD, especially with all the changes and compatibility issues. Online content delivery is taking off very rapidly. I apologize for going with anecdotal evidence, but I know far more people streaming Hulu and Netflix, than I do that own BluRay players.
This is nice, but I think the studios need to understand that consumers want digital copies of movies not for the sake of digital copies, but for the capabilities they bring.
Unless I can get my digital copy onto my iPhone to watch on a plane ride and sync it with my computer and store it to a network drive (which can easily grow to terabytes as you get more movies), then the value proposition is dubious.
That's the big reason why I buy more movies from iTunes than on Blu Ray (or at least only buy Blu Ray if it has a digital copy). The content is stored on a network connected hard drive that I can expand at will, the content is streamed seamlessly to my Apple TV, but I can also sync it with my iPhone and take it with me on the go.
This whole "managed copy" idea sounds like the primary thrust is simply getting it onto the hard drive of your Blu Ray player, which kind of misses the point.
The difficulty making a *real* digital copy is why I refuse anything Blu. I see my $30 in lost revenue a year is obviously having a big impact!
Here's another idea regarding the engadget spammers, find a way to see who clicks on their ads, and ban those people.
But I guess that would be the same people who click on your own ads, oh damn, back to the drawingboard I guess.
Managed Copy, My Movies 3 and AnyDVD HD would like to say hello and welcome to the party.