PowerGenix NiZn rechargeable AA batteries: finally, some cells worth buying

One of the major concerns with traditional NiMh rechargeables is just how weak they are, and just how quickly their longevity declines. With few exceptions, most of these cells can't actually power a dedicated hotshoe flash for more than a few minutes (if at all), and any application that demands a serious amount of power generally asks too much from these pricey tubes. Furthermore, these batteries also have a tendency to go from fully charged to empty faster and faster as time goes on, and while we understand that said phenomenon is simply a harsh reality when dealing with devices such as this, we always felt that the performance decline was unacceptable given the price premium attached to 'em.

Enter PowerGenix, a little known company with a lot of hustle and a pocket full of promises. The company is selling 1.6v AA Nickel Zinc rechargeables at a variety of outlets now, with the MRSP for a 4-pack sitting at $14.99; the special charger (needed for charging NiZn batteries) can be purchased along with four cells for $34.99 (again, that's MSRP). Needless to say, both are available for less if you poke around a bit. We began using these with exceptionally low expectations, and six wedding shoots later, we're now grinning from ear to ear. Our Nikon Speedlight SB-600 chews through standard batteries like a voracious beast, only squeezing out around 200 to 300 shots on a warm, lucky day. The PowerGenix cells, however, allowed us to fire the flash anywhere between 300 and 400 times in all conditions, and even after running them bone dry and juicing them back up for months on end, we've yet to see 'em take a performance hit.

Naturally, these will also keep your wireless keyboard, mouse or remote ticking for a long, long time, but it's their ability to shine even in high-drain applications that really impressed us. The economics of it just make these tough to ignore: a 4-pack of Energizer's 'Ultimate Lithium' AA cells can be had for around $7 to $10, while the 4-pack of PowerGenix batteries cost just a few bucks more (charger notwithstanding). If you're a power user that eats through 8, 12 or more AA cells at every stop, it's a no brainer to make the switch to NiZn. If you find yourself buying batteries around once per year, you're probably better off sticking with your current habits. But hey -- at least there's finally a great solution for those of us who've been procuring more batteries than toilet paper over the past few years.






















So you mean blog reviews are typically not very informative. You might be right.
I grow tired of the blog excuse. Calling something a blog isn't an excuse for a professionally run information source to produce crap.
Well then, if you aren't happy with engadget I hereby release you from the apparent obligation you feel to visit it.
Go forth and enjoy life.
(Not that I think you can't criticize engadget really, but keep an eye on reality too.)
P.S. there are other sites, us.gizmodo.com for instance, but I sometimes go there too so it's not going to completely release you of my silliness altogether :)
If we don't criticize poorly written articles, how will they get better?
I just got it from depoteco.com for $23.74 (charger + 4 batteries). Looking at the description:
NiZn High Voltage 1.6v 2500 mWh 1 hr Charger
I'll be a test dummy I suppose.
Hah you already answered my question.
Now let's boost the R&D for silveroxide batteries.
Just give us the raw data! what is the capacity in mAh ?
Wh (watt*hours) is a much better measurement of capacity than mAh
One, that's no excuse for not stating the mAh rating of the batteries. Two, how many watt hours are they again? Oh wait, thats right. Their glowing endorsement neglected to tell us that too. Soooo...how many free cases of these batteries did they send you guys for such a glowing fact free write up?
When a review starts off by criticizing rechargeables for being no good in a camera flash, I have to wonder what is up. Rechargeables are by far the best batteries to use in a camera flash, as short as the life might be on a NiMH in a flash, alkalines would be even shorter. Lithiums might do better, but at what price?
1.2v vs. 1.6v
Rechargables are better for a faster recycle time on your flash, but definately do not get more juice or power.
my SB-800 has an option for 5 batteries. what is more? 7.5w or 6w. Now go get a 1w luxeon LED and try the same 5 battery combination and measure the Lums.
Or better yet, set your flash to M 1/1 and get a light meter and measure the power.
You also don't get it. The flash brightness is not determined by how strong your batteries are. The flash transfers charge from the batteries into an internal capacitor storage when it is charging (the whine), this storage is filled to the same amount no matter how slowly or quickly it does it or how much voltage is on the cells.
Also, that whine is because the charging system is a switching power supply. Being a switching power supply, it doesn't really care too much about the input voltage. If it gets less voltage it'll just draw more current to make it up. So the 1.6V doesn't mean the batteries will recharge the flash more quickly. Look at alkalines versus NiCds. Alkalines are about 1.5V, NiCds about 1.2V and a NiCd will charge your flash many times more quickly than alkalines will. This is because although the NiCds are presented with a 25% higher current draw, they have a more than 10x lower internal resistance, so they can provide the power needed to recharge the capacitors much much more quickly.
It is the high internal resistance that makes it such that rechargeables last longer in a flash than alkalines do. When presented with a high draw such as a flash, the alkalines will waste much more energy as heat than NiMHs will. So the alkalines do contain 2-3x as much energy as the NiMHs, but it only gets turned into heat and they actually last less long than the NiMHs in use.
I believe that if you divide the mWh by the Voltage you get the mAh. 2500 mWh / 1.6 V = 1562 mAh.
As for how long a said device will run you need to look at the discharge voltage curve of the batteries and see how it drops with time. If it has a sharper drop off voltage and a higher full charge voltage a device may run significantly longer before reporting low batt. Need real number comparisons rather than mumbo jumbo.
I can't wait for ultracapacitors to replace batteries and become cheaper. This flashlight would be fun to tinker with if it wasn't so expensive. http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/lights/bb89/?cpg=cj
I'm not sure that will ever happen, not because I'm being negative but because there have been decades (hundreds of years even if you count the long time between the first discoveries/re-discoveries and improving it) of attempts to improve capacitors and what you have available now is pretty far along the line of what can be achieved.
But we do keep finding new material compositions though, and we have the LHC studying matter, so there's a sparkle of hope, I'm just not going to actually wait for it, just hope.
Have you read the reviews? It's actually a really crummy flashlight. Go to candlepowerforums or such and check it out.
2500mWh (they all use that term instead of mA for some reason, probably because watt=ampere*volt and so comparing it to a 1.2 volt battery would make it sound weaker since then they'd have to use a lower number and people would not notice/realize the higher voltage changes the equation)
http://www.depoteco.com/CategoryProductList.jsp?cat=Green+Products:PowerGenix+Rechargeable+Batteries+-+NiZn+Batteries
These guys also conveniently ignore the fact that 4x1.6V is 6.4V (and actually higher if the batteries are straight out of a charger) and that can be too high of a voltage for some electronics, in particular the cheap toys. Overall, this seems like one very well paid for advertisement. Way to go, Engadget.
How do these compare with the Rayovac Hybrid batteries? I use those for my wii controllers, apple bluetooth keyboard, and logitech mouse... Do these use a similar technology? Much better? Much worse? If they're way better, maybe i'll switch. Although, I'm pretty happy w/ the rayovac hybrids.
Batteries will never last forever if the it is the battery compaines job to research it. How would they make money on a battery that last forever?
LOL this article is a joke... Why anyone buys these pieces of junk is beyond me. You have to make sure you charge them right before use otherwise... You might just find they've got no power!
Nice!
Perfect for my Wii remotes...
- Amir Rosenthal
FUCK.
i just bought 8 eneloop and a charger last week.
maybe i should return them.
They are new technology, but are not as high capacity as some of the best NIMH. There are a number of high capacity NIMH AA that are 2900 Mah ( I have about a dozen of them). This battery is 2500 Mah. It does have higher voltage, but what does that matter? The 2900s I have power all my devices just fine.
So who makes the 2900 Mah cells?
Sweet! I'm just about to buy a Pentax K-x and was looking for some batteries!
Anyone know about availability of these in Canada?
Canada or US... I think I'll have to google more to get it.
So what is the charged shelf storage like?
Do they leak down appreciably over time...
That is what I like about lithiums or rechargeable like eneloops...
I don't want to wait to top off my batteries every time the fancy strikes me to go out-about using my electronical modern marvels..
This article reads more like an advertisement than an actual review.
May I suggest Sanyo Eneloop, far more reliable than any other Ni-MH batteries, while holding a strong charge even after 1 year of inactivity. I use it to shoot weddings and it shoots out 500+ on SB-600 and 300+ on SB-800.
Amazon both .ca and .com, lol.
I have observed (or haven't observed) NiMH batteries leaking. Are they more resistant to leaking than alkaline? For some devices I hardly use/check, I'd prefer leak resistance over capacity.
Wow, Engadget just lost significant credibility in my eyes with this "review".
Careful guys, a reputation is slowly won and quickly lost...
It's a little sad to see Engadget stooping to advertorials. Darren Murphy: a name entered in my mental scratchpad as one more online loser to ignore.
In regards to the eneloops, there are other manufacturers that make low-self-discharge batteries too, varta does, and I think panasonic does too, but since such batteries have slightly lower max charge some shops refuse to carry them because they notice most people just look for the highest number, or the very lowest price.
Anyway there are more of them I'm just saying.
Wow I can't believe not One Vibrator joke.....
I suspect the ladies prefer D cell devices...
To the poster, Darren - This review has almost no information (although it did inform me that these cells exist, so it did accomplish that much). When you talk up some new battery (especially around the Engadget crowd), you need to at least include: 1) capacity comparison 2) number of charge cycles, and (VERY IMPORTANT) 3) self discharge data - that is how much charge is left after a fully charged battery is left in drawer for a month or so. And this comparison cannot be against some "straw man" like old NiMH batteries that everyone already knows sucks. You have to compare against the best of today's cells which arguably are Sanyo Eneloop or other similar batteries. Like others have mentioned, low self discharge is the key that make a rechargeable cell usable in the real world.
I'll buy these. I just hope the recharger's light, that style of charger always falls out of the socket.
Always interested in saving the planet. The PowerGenix batteries work, recharge, recycle and won't explode.
Actual reviews by owners at http://www.ritzcamera.com/product/141660928.htm#reviews
Interesting that no one has mentioned the Delkin 2900mAh: http://www.delkin.com/shop/product.php?productid=141&cat=99&page=1
Discharge rates stated here
http://www.powergenix.com/docs/powergenix-specs-aa.pdf
Nice hardwood floors. Bellawood?
I just tested these batteries in my flash against my best performing hybrid 2500 mAh NiMH AAs. The difference was astounding.
The test: Take a hot shoe flash, fully charged, and fire it on full ,manual power GN 28 10 times and wait for the ready light to come back on.
NiMH (Duracell) 10 flashes in 45 seconds
NiZn 10 flashes in 27 seconds
I poop you not... these are my results. You can't get any clearer than that!
Gosh, you'd think technical people could provide more helpful comments. Contrary to the conversation here, its not always the battery with the highest capacity that is the best for all, or even many applications. A battery type has characteristics on voltage in high-drain and low-drain applications, a capacity, a typical number of recharges before the battery is not considered usable, how well does it perform in low temps and high temps, self-discharge characteristics, and probably 50 more. NO BATTERY EXCELS IN ALL OF THEM.
These new batteries are actually Nickel-Zinc, which have been around for more than 100 years, but like all types, improvements happen over time.
I have some of these batteries and they perform well in many applications. Their self-discharge rate is low, and they have a very low internal resistance so they can put out lots of power in applications that require that. Also, their higher voltages help them work in some applications where other rechargables don't.
As a negative, the charger for these batteries is pretty fussy. For example, they highly DON'T recommend you leave batteries in the PowerGenix chargers for more than two days. With most other batteries this isn't a problem, and this is more a function of the charger rather than the batteries.
In summary, these batteries might not be best for EVERY application, but they can work for many, and its far better to have more choices then less.
I hate rechargeable batteries until I found Sanyo Eneloop. They claim you can take 500 pictures per charge I seem to get 200 before I need to charge cause my camera starts to take time to process shots after 75 or so.
This is awesome compare to some other like Kodak, Radio Shack etc I could only take 35 shots before needing to replace.