Fedora 12 'Constantine' launches with enhanced video codec and power management
By Ross Miller 
posted November 18th 2009 2:40AM
posted November 18th 2009 2:40AM
posted November 18th 2009 2:40AM
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Hmm might try this on my lenovo s10
I'm installing it on my lenovo s10 right now, haven't finished yet but it seems like a very smooth process, much better than 11.
You know I have tried developing for Fedora to help the release but man, it takes too much time!
I mean the level reached by Fedora developers is amazing.
Thanks everyone! Loving this already!!!
try the Moblin desktop
I might download this just because of the awesome release name...
Ubuntu is... oh forget it, get over here Fedora it's been a long time since our last encounter sit sit have a drink.
Yeah, give some props to an OS without gay-ass names like "Gassy Geezer" or "Flaccid Flamingo".
Yeah... seriously ? A Ubuntu fan is likely to be a linux noob. If he's smart and ever becomes a real fan, there's a lot of chance he'll switch to another distro...
Anyway: CONGRATZ AND 100000000 THANKS to all the Fedora developers and community for all their work, help, and choices of codenames :-).
I wish the author has said something like this. "Missed opportunity" if you ask me.
@skalpa
While I can't say you're incorrect, isn't that the whole point of Ubuntu's existence? To show the world that desktop Linux is a valid solution? I credit Ubuntu for creating alot of Linux fans, including myself. I've turned to more of a SUSE guy if I'm gonna use Linux (I like it, but I'm not sold on it as my daily OS), but I have alot of love for Ubuntu. It's kinda like a "My First Distro" sort of thing, nothing really wrong with it, but it's easy to outgrow for a power user.
This one looks very interesting. I tried Fedora once, but I wasn't very satisfied with it, especially since I'm a real Linux noob.
Too bad those production apps like Photoshop or 3ds Max won't likely be ported (natively, forget Wine) to Linux. :( I can't do without them unfortunately.
@skalpa, level5:
Are you serious? Ubuntu user would be a linux noob? Easy to outgrow?
True, there are a lot of first-time linux-users on Ubuntu, but that doesn't mean that every Ubuntu user is a linux noob, nor does it necessarily say anything about Ubuntu as a distro. The majority of Windows users are (windows-) noobs, but that doesn't mean there are no Windows nerds (or advanced users, if that suits better), nor does it mean that Windows is limiting (it can be, but that's a totally different point).
I'd like to hear how exactly Ubuntu is easy to outgrow. Yes, it has a simple GUI for a lot of things, but yes, more granular controls are available for everything, from more advanced GUI configuration tools such as the CompizConfig Settings Manager (instead of the default choice between no desktop effects at all, some effects or full-on fancy) to config file editing and command line tools. Want to simply install some piece of software without fuss? Use Add/Remove Software. Want to select packages yourself? Use Synaptic. Want text-based? Aptitude. Prefer GUI-less command line? apt-get. Want to compile from source? Get the source through the package manager of your choice and compile. Want something more bleeding-edge? Get the source from the project website, extract it and go at it. It's all there. You can even choose to install generic Debian packages that are more bleeding edge as Debian has not only got the stable tree, but also unstable and testing. It's not necessarily going to work, but that's true for any distro (or even any platform) if you're going to try bleeding-edge stuff.
Saying Ubuntu is easy to outgrow is saying Debian is easy to outgrow, and trust me, there are LOTS of people that beg to disagree on that (rightfully so).
Oh, and I forgot to mention the PPA's at launchpad, Personal Package Archives where people can host their own mini-repository of software readily available for download as .deb packages, installable for every semi-noob. So you have also got, apart from all the options within the OS, three sources for packages: the supported Canonical-repository, the universe/multiverse repositories that are supported by the community (one click in Software Sources and they're enabled, or just try to install an application and it will ask you if you want community-supported software sources enabled), and then you can add PPA-repositories for specific software that is more bleeding edge or for some other reason isn't in the main channels (yet). All of these will neatly flow into the package managers I mentioned in my previous post, and will be checked for updates automatically (unless you don't want to, ofcourse).
@graey
Thank God someone said it. I couldn't help but wonder exactly what these fella figured was so limiting about Ubuntu. I'm an ArchLinux fan, but I still really HATE it when linux elitists try to make Ubuntu user feel stupid or wrong for the choice they've made.
Ubuntu is a great way to have easy access to a whole range of amazing software available to the linux community.
And the compass points north. I'll def will give this release a try.
I've been running Fedora over the last couple of days, and.. well: It's crap.
I'm far from being an Ubuntu fanboy but compared to Fedora Ubuntu comes out the winner. It's more polished, that's just it. Everything from notifications, alt-tab not working when using desktop effects, etc.. It makes Fedora the turd it is.
You obviously are doing it wrong...
And by it, I mean your life.
"when using desktop effects"
Right there: credibility = 0.
So, you do the consumer Linux thing. That's fine. Ever transcode any video? If so, your software is old. Old like the hills. And that's the point. F12 is the very newest, if not the bestest Linux, has to offer.
What's wrong with desktop effects? Most are eye candy, but some, like zoom, are very useful, and they point the way to more effective use of the screen.
I don't get why Ubuntu is considered a newbie release either, since it's mostly Debian under the covers (which I've been running since the mid 90s), but I'm going to try Fedora to see what it's about.
Man, I had to squint sooo hard to down-rank you.
well, if you got the i686 version, you must format your / in ext4 now.
even if you don't want to.
Not the 'i686 version', but any live CD version. If that's a problem for you, get the DVD or do a network install instead. The live installer has this restriction because to 'install' it really just dumps the entire filesystem image from the live CD onto your hard disk, and that's formatted as ext4.
No, it formats, and then it copies the files to the file system. If you do "manual" you can choose your partitions, else it fills the disk with a small swap area, and ext4.
Will it have the power to fight Heaven & Hell?
It should have been Fawksian Fedora TwelF
Although he doesn't strictly wear a fedora.
So i heard that linux was invented by stoners. they got high one day and invented the thing. subsequently they forgot how to use it and it has been a mystery ever since.
So I heard that this joke was written by a stoner. You got high one day and wrote the thing. Subsequently you forgot the punchline and it's been a mystery ever since.
But Fedora gives us cool names like Zod, that beats alliteration in my book. Now if Ubuntu went with Hungry Hippos for 8.04, then they might get the win
Every time I read about Yarrow I think of Fedora.
Fedora 12 is already shaping up as an exciting, jam-packed release that targets netbook users.
Home Lighting
What's up with Linux distributions and holding hands?
go figure, seriously!
I say: Get out the paintball guns.
Holding hands is for sissies!
Ubuntu has more sparkle and polish, do not say Fedora is crap, you have not got a clue.
The technology you see in Fedora 12 today will be in Ubuntu next release.
yes because thats the whole point of GPL, and a kernel that is open source.... der!
@ermski2k
I think he meant, Fedora is more cutting edge than Ubuntu and that's not just because their release schedule comes after Ubuntu's, but because they are taking more bold steps by incorporating the latest technologies from the OSS world, such as being the first to deliver KMS, Nouveau, Plymouth, etc. Also, they are one of the few distros that do point updates of their kernel during the product life of a release, thus being one of the first to ship the latest drivers. Although, all of this is good, living on the edge means that it's more likely things will break and they are not polished as much as say in Ubuntu.
It is true that Fedora and Open Suse do have bit polished look. But when it comes to personalization, Ubuntu rocks. It is easy for an inexperienced linux user to personalize stuff in Ubuntu than other popular distros. I am telling this from my experience with all the above mentioned Tuxes.
And they say Linux support is fragmented - can't we all just be friends? :P
Ubuntu/Arch user.
Fedora 12 for me has been the best of the recent litter of Distros released, I was rather disappointed with my Ubuntu upgrade when things that had worked well for a year started to crash and fail. Fedora needed a little more command line work to get fully operational like the broadcom drivers for wireless, but this is minor on what looks like the most stable release of the the season!!
Continuing in the time-honored tradition set by the likes of Fedora 10 and Fedora 11, Fedora 12 (codenamed "Constantine").
This is not a sentence. Did you cut out the rest of the sentence to make the headline?
fragment (consider revising)
Compiling a kernel... So it's been a couple years since I used Linux. Is it still a buggy massive PITA to compile a kernel? I ask because the commercial software I require necessitates a compile. Is the process *still* make xconfig/menuconfig like it was way back in 1996? Does the make install still fail with stupid errors?
lol, I don't think linux will ever change that.
What would linux be without a 99% fail-rate? Well, Boring.
Tweakers like linux fanboys can't help but need something to break ;)
I dunno. I haven't "needed" to compile a kernel since I wanted to add bleeding edge USB support (back at the dawn of time) because I was too impatient to wait for a "proper release".
"Commercial software" that makes you recompile your kernel? How lame.
How does the "official support" work for that exactly? One would normally expect things to be the other way around. The normal situation would be more like: "build your own kernel, don't come to us when it breaks".
@jedi
Yea I am left to compiling the kernel myself. Nobody in their right mind would support something like that for less then paid support. That is what the Linux business is all about, paid support.
I'm finding it hard to think of any legitimate reason why a piece of software would require you to compile a custom kernel before it would run. What software are we talking about? Are you really talking about compiling a kernel, or just compiling extra kernel modules for the existing kernel that your software needs to run?
@Adam
It is for a kernel module yes. I'm not technically sure why though, I'm not a real software developer. I think it had something to do with needing object files for the currently running kernel or something like that. This was years ago last time I had it working, it was too much trouble to keep up with because every time the kernel needed to be updated I had to go thru it all over again.
no love for open SUSE?
I love fedora, but im not really a fan of .yum
I like ubuntu's way of handling packages a little better. This is purely my opinion though. Fedora and Ubuntu are both great distros, each one has its strong points. So if your willing, give them both a try. Unetbootin is the way to go.
My favorite linux distro is CentOS. All the other distros had consistency and or stability problems, but not centOS. In fact, I hated linux until I tried centOS. The best place to start is with Acanac's online PC who's server sports CentOS; I made myself a userguide in the help forums...tackling much of the question a windows user would have. Federa, and Ubuntu...never worked on my laptop lol. I'll give federa another try though.