Samsung teases Bada at event, questions still outnumber answers
We've just come back from the Samsung Bada mobile platform launch event in London, and frankly the presentation was no more than an app developer and investor magnet -- no hands-on opportunity and no direct answers regarding the hardware. The only mention of a Bada phone is that something's coming out in the first half of 2010. That said, today Samsung did bring in representatives of five strong Bada app partners: Twitter, Capcom, EA, Gameloft and Blockbuster. Needless to say mobile gaming is high up on Bada's agenda, but the brief presence of Twitter's Head of Mobile, Kevin Thau, solidified Samsung's dedication for integrating SNS (social networking services) sites on mobile handsets. Yes, just like many fish in the sea. Read on to see how Bada aims to be "an ocean of endless enjoyment."
Open platform
Despite the presentation leaving us scratching heads as to what Bada really is, we had the chance to sit down with the platform's Principal Engineer, Dr. Justin Hong, who nicely broke it down for us. Bada's objective is to be "an easy-to-integrate platform" to tickle the interest of developers, but at the same time being able to cover a wide range of device specifications (although Hong admitted there's no plan to implement Bada on old hardware). For now Bada will work on top of Samsung's proprietary SHP (Samsung Handset Platform, which was also led by Hong) OS as found on the Samsung Jet, and will feature the forthcoming TouchWiz 3.0 UI as the icing on the cake. When asked about Symbian Hong simply said there's no decision to support it for Bada, but they'll continue to support multiple OSes -- as promised before -- as the market "always need different OSes" to maintain high customer satisfaction. Frankly, it's just money talk on that last part, as Hong then went on about how they also need to customize their phones to fit the carriers' requirements. What's for sure is that Samsung's committed to provide greater support to Bada developers.
Bada is optimized for developing SNS apps. For example, carriers can easily code in location-based SNS features using just a few lines from a large set of API supporting popular sites like Twitter and Facebook. Another main feature is that Bada will exclusively support multitouch -- or 'multipoint touch', as they like to call it -- phones, and interestingly Hong told us that it will work on both resistive and capacitive touchscreens. Combining both of these features we expect some pretty sweet games. The hardware requirements for Bada are yet to be finalized, but Hong reassured us that Bada's not bound by chipsets, and that the cheapest Bada handset will definitely be cheaper than Android's counterpart. This goes along with Samsung's "Smartphone for Everyone" strategy which, on top of Bada's in-app (and over-the-air) purchasing, equates to greater revenue for the developers if all goes well. Oh, and Bada supports Flash-based apps too -- check out the fancy Chelsea Football Club app simulation toward the end of the video below.
Bada applications
As mentioned earlier, Samsung has several big name studios producing games for the Bada platform. While there were no live demoes, we're already digging Capcom's "Resident Evil: Degeneration", but the rep's constant mentioning of "Street Fighters" is also looking hopeful. Another interesting app is "My Friends" made by Onycom, which essentially aggregates all your social networking contacts -- very much like Palm's Synergy and Motorola's MOTOBLUR. We're not sure if these two will be preloaded on all Bada phones, but what's for sure is that they will have a map app -- "Where to go" by deCarta. We were most impressed by Blockbuster's vision: CIO Neil Davis spoke of offering a seamless media experience where you can stop half way through a Blu-ray disc at home, and then "walk to your car and finish it up on a Bada handset." We queried Samsung about this possibility and sadly its VP of Global Marketing, Younghee Lee, wasn't so optimistic. Spoilsport.
Wrap-up
While what Bada's trying to achieve is not totally new, we're impressed by Samsung's success in convincing a handful of high-profile companies to develop apps for this new platform. We're most looking forward to the support of Flash apps as well as what the game developers will offer. If Samsung sticks to its promise about the affordability of Bada phones, then 2010 is going to be an interesting year for the smartphone market.

Despite the presentation leaving us scratching heads as to what Bada really is, we had the chance to sit down with the platform's Principal Engineer, Dr. Justin Hong, who nicely broke it down for us. Bada's objective is to be "an easy-to-integrate platform" to tickle the interest of developers, but at the same time being able to cover a wide range of device specifications (although Hong admitted there's no plan to implement Bada on old hardware). For now Bada will work on top of Samsung's proprietary SHP (Samsung Handset Platform, which was also led by Hong) OS as found on the Samsung Jet, and will feature the forthcoming TouchWiz 3.0 UI as the icing on the cake. When asked about Symbian Hong simply said there's no decision to support it for Bada, but they'll continue to support multiple OSes -- as promised before -- as the market "always need different OSes" to maintain high customer satisfaction. Frankly, it's just money talk on that last part, as Hong then went on about how they also need to customize their phones to fit the carriers' requirements. What's for sure is that Samsung's committed to provide greater support to Bada developers.

Bada applications
As mentioned earlier, Samsung has several big name studios producing games for the Bada platform. While there were no live demoes, we're already digging Capcom's "Resident Evil: Degeneration", but the rep's constant mentioning of "Street Fighters" is also looking hopeful. Another interesting app is "My Friends" made by Onycom, which essentially aggregates all your social networking contacts -- very much like Palm's Synergy and Motorola's MOTOBLUR. We're not sure if these two will be preloaded on all Bada phones, but what's for sure is that they will have a map app -- "Where to go" by deCarta. We were most impressed by Blockbuster's vision: CIO Neil Davis spoke of offering a seamless media experience where you can stop half way through a Blu-ray disc at home, and then "walk to your car and finish it up on a Bada handset." We queried Samsung about this possibility and sadly its VP of Global Marketing, Younghee Lee, wasn't so optimistic. Spoilsport.
Wrap-up
While what Bada's trying to achieve is not totally new, we're impressed by Samsung's success in convincing a handful of high-profile companies to develop apps for this new platform. We're most looking forward to the support of Flash apps as well as what the game developers will offer. If Samsung sticks to its promise about the affordability of Bada phones, then 2010 is going to be an interesting year for the smartphone market.



























@skaterdude "bada" means "ocean" in Korean (Samsung, is of course, a Korean company). Hence the pun about "an ocean of endless enjoyment."
@hellfroze
Since it looks like there is nothing new or innovative with Bada, it's more like "an ocean of endless mundane mediocrity"
Sammy is known for "World's first this, first that" but Bada is definitely not the "first"
I think Bada/app store will only succeed in the Korean market.
Well that was a let down. I was hesitant to say this when Samsung first announced Bada, but after not showing anything real during their unveiling press event I feel more confident in saying: with Android, Blackberry, WebOS, WinMo, and Symbian... there just ain't room for Bada.
Unless they have something seriously inventive, innovative, and bad-freaking-ass to show off next year I just don't see where this is going.
@BacteriaEP
I'm a bit underwhelmed by the 3D too, it looks jerky and no better than stuff I've seen on running on not too recent GPS devices that don't have 3D OpenGL hardware,
@BacteriaEP
wow i didnt even know it should be a whole os!?! thought it would be more of an app-store-thingy
Just what we needed, another mobile operating system, with another app store which developers will have to recode applications for. I don't really understand the need to create another OS with Android being so promising and open source.
2010 will definitely be interesting...Android, Maemo, Bada, Mobile Mac OS, Windows Mobile 7, webOS.
@Xudd Oh and I forgot Blackberry's OS! Should be interesting to see what they do when they release their new webkit based browser.
@Xudd I know, and don't forget Else, from Access.
I feel like Else, webOS and Bada won't make the cut and will die off. I wouldn't mind, either.
bada bing!
@mikmik111
boom!
@mikmik111 I was gonna say, Bada w/ Microsoft's Bing maps!
"Several" isn't a great word to have used. "With only more than a few!"
@DestrictoEnse
Congraturations!
You just beat the Koreans at English.
Do you want to know how much better they are than you at Starcraft and Naughty Teen Pop songs?
정만정말요~~~시벌~~~~
@Wesscoast
Begging your pardon Sirs, but this fellow Thomas Richter looks decidedly un-Korean. http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/12/bada-12082009-4.jpg
Not to mention that the even was held in London, where Samsung presumably have an operation running that is fully fluent in English.
I really hope Bing is the default search engine for Bada.
@jimmylittle this
I'm a bit disappointed. I've just read the first two tutorials on the bada developer page. My first impression was positive, nice c++ api with the common pitfalls ironed out with some platform enforcements and good coding standard suggestions. And bit later came the cold shower (UI & Application tutorial page 10 and 11) "bada platform enforces single tasking".
So only one 3rd party application can run at a time, if another is launched the other is terminated by the platform.
Really bad design decision...
@Zod:
That depends on the kind of apps they're trying to encourage: high-performance games are a lot easier to write (and support) if you know they're going to be the only things running on the target device. Also, multi-tasking of 3rd party apps inevitably means a more complicated UI experience. Samsung are keeping things simple, and that has a lot to be said for it.
these names make no sense! BADA?! BEBO?! BING?! WTF?!
@skaterdude it's just yada yada yada... :)
Well were there snacks at least? free gifts? keychains? ballpoints?
Ugh. Android was supposed to stop all this.
I hope it's awesome, especially since there's an emphasis on gaming (N-Gage RIP), but it's Samsung. I like their hardware, never cared for their software, and am pretty sure this isn't going to warrant much attention.
i love the ominous money bag that is sent to the developer...
Bada-BOOM!
The default search engine is bada-bing
As long as it doesn't qualify as a smartphone OS and launches on phones with WiFi, I'll be happy.
I need a US market WiFi handset running a featurephone OS (Nucleos mostly) so that I can dodge the ATT requirement of having a 30$/mo data plan (required for any smartphone OS device on the network).
@RITarded09
That's the same thing verizon is doing too.
@Ezye1313
@RITarded09
I'm with you. The $30/mo. requirement is really, really stopping me from going with a smartphone OS on AT&T.
@Ezye1313
Ignore the blank post, I'm an idiot apparently.
I'm quite saddened to hear that Verizon has decided that FORCING a data plan on you is a good idea. The whole point of having a WiFi enabled handset is to make use of freely available WiFi. I wouldn't be pulling in massive amounts of 3G data, in fact, I have it disabled on my life for exactly this reason.
Oh well, hopefully they'll wise up and loosen the restriction.
@RITarded09
Just buy any unlocked GSM phone will do
@(Unverified)
Indeed it would. However, I am up for contract renewal and if I can save myself 300$ or so by getting one on contract....
I may wait until Samsung drops a Bada handset for ATT and see what it is like. I was surprised by how slow the hardware in the Mythic was (compared to the Solstice)..
Samsung software is horrible, just horrible. Avoid it if you can.
I love Samsung phones, I have owned several and their hardware is second to none but my new phone is an HTC because I love the combination of their software and Android.
Samsung's attempt at an Android phone makes me question their ability to create Bada.
If you manage to put shit on a cake instead of icing then you shouldn't be let near a kitchen!
"With only several lines of code".
Isn't that how Samsung make all their products?
Dear Samsung...
Fire the idiot responsible for the money you wasted on this and move on
@(Unverified)
I think this will be good move for Samsung, it looks better then the crap they put on their none smartphones. And I just became a BADA developer
@Terrillo
I hardly think Nucleos is a crap operating system. In fact, it is one of the most widely used featurephone OSes. It is highly powerful as well. Look it up.
Biggest threat Nokia has ever seen.
@katatonic
Not to mention this is way way way cooler than WinMo
I swear I read "Badass" at first sight in the header. xD
I really like the way Samsung is trying to take their piece of cake in the market, but again, what I really love is the idea of a competitive market. More competence = more options to choose from = lower costs = happiness = a long etcetera.
The thing is... Samsung's sold 40 million touch-screen phones this year. So even if only 10% of their volume becomes bada phones, there will be millions of these in 2011 - often sold to people who aren't as picky about their OS.
This isn't like Palm where they need to execute perfectly or die - bada will probably sell well if it works at all and carriers buy into it, which they already have for their current non-app-running touchscreen phones.
@happycube
Their featurephones are running Nucleos RTOS. It is not a Samsung system. LG also makes heavy use of Nucleos.
@RITarded09 I'm hearing a lot of bada phones are going to be Nucleus based. If you look at bada as an API that runs on existing featurephones, it makes a lot of sense.
@happycube
That is very interesting indeed... I've no problem with Nucleos; In fact, I quite like it. PLUS, if Bada runs over it I can technically skip the Data Plan requirement of ATT (Nucleos is not a smartphone OS, phones running it are exempt from this data plan requirement :D).
If this is indeed the case, bring on the Nucleos + Bada + WiFi GSM handsets. Now please :D
You lost me at Touch Wiz
well, the UI is ugly. HTC Sense with Android OS looks much more better.
The flash is good, but not now. They must start with flash UI in 2006, not in 2010. Nothing special, so they will try make "good" hardware for this with many BIG NUMBERS. I can't see why better this than other OS. Nothing special.
It sure feels awesome when something you said turns out to be true, I had mentioned in the first Bada post that this was the samsung SHP OS.
SHP is quiet a stunted OS compared to Linux, WinCE and iPhone OS, when it comes to the basics - incidentally SHP does not support multi-threading and many other features developers have come to love and depend upon over the years.
Samsung has never known to be good at software, Competing against Linux, Windows and Mac which have been maturing for the last decade or more is a daunting task.
I hope their SDK delivers all that they promise or it will just be so much wasted time and effort.
aw man this is lame. samsung seems to have a step late in this mobile OS competition. they should just concentrate on making the hardware and work with google to make all their phones Android-aware. this is an epic fail even before it comes out. as a developer, I am not even going to bother taking an eye on the SDK.