Quake ported to the Pre, webOS 3D gaming truly within reach
By Paul Miller 
posted January 3rd 2010 2:10AM
posted January 3rd 2010 2:10AM
posted January 3rd 2010 2:10AM
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@cardfan exactly. That's why Nokia is just flat in the U.S. No one wants to buy unsubsidized phones when they are just going to pay the same for 2 yrs of service. I can't imagine all the action they are missing out on in the high end smartphone market is better than their bottom line if they got into deals to subsidize with carriers.
@mcfine
I buy unsubsidized Nokia phones, because they are better than subsidized phones in America. People who REALLY require certain features will pay for them. You shouldn't sit back and wish for features when they are available to you. Just pay up. In the age of the internet, the old adage of "Nokia's US presence is lacking.." is a non issue. If I recall, the internet is world wide, don't blame Nokia for peoples lack of willingness to pay for what they want. You can buy it here in the USA. Americans just don't want high end bad enough to pay for it. We rather wait....for a carrier to hand it to us...on the cheap...rather than go get it ourselves......
@triplea
Ugh... Nokia... gross...
doom >>> quake. but ID Software will always be the best, even if they make really weird games like wolfenstien. anyone else buying doom 4 upon release??
I think with serious games now possible, it would be nice if Palm's next form factor is gaming centered (PSP control layout) with a slider keyboard.
@pachi72
My thoughts exactly. Although it does suit Apples profile: they do things the way they want, period.
And the products are selling very well so I don't think they want to fragment the hardware base too much...right now they've got one (ok two, if you count 3G and 3GS as separate platforms, still mechanically identical) platform so it's easy to attract developers. Huge customer base and a unified HW platform is nice.
Why would hardware makers add an analog stick to their phones, the best thing for developers is a homogenized platform. Imagine Android with another fragmented group of devices.
Wow should I be impressed??
This type of gaming been on iPhone since June of 2007!!!!!!
N someone seems to be clebrating due to that one day it will come to palm that has been making cells for 10 years. Lol!!!!!!insane.
@logic thinker
Not true. When the iPhone was introduced in June of 2007 aside from the preloaded apps the only official way to provide apps was in the form of web apps. Quake didn't show up until a year after the initial release and it was only through Jailbreaking the phone.
http://www.appleiphoneschool.com/2008/07/14/quake4iphone-quake-1-ported-to-iphone/
The appstore didn't open until a year after the iPhone was first released, just about the time that the 2.0 hardware came out and it took a while for 3d apps like this to show up in the store.
@logic thinker
Now if iPhony could only do ANYTHING ELSE RIGHT!!!
Hows that Bluetooth A2DP working for ya. Oh yeah... they don't have it. Sorry. I would have deleted that last comment if I hadn't already submitted this.
Call of duty on iPhone blows all cell games outta the water!!!
Dual touchscreen joysticks. Now that is sick. Nothing outvthere compares. Not nokia or palm or bb or android games.
@logic thinker I personally think Medal of Honor is a much better series, I mean think about the way.......wait your talking about mobile games?! then nobody cares. (yet)
@logic thinker I have to see about that......if that game turns out to be great, can't wait to get sone mobile CoD in!!!!
palm webos has been out for about 6 mouths to already have this is crazy how long did it take iphone to have 3d gaming and yes this is 3d not like doom witch was only 2d I just downloaded it and it runs pretty damn good considering only some gpu files were opened in the new update sounds like CES is going to be another winner for palm and fuck all you hater don't comment if you only have negatives things to say
My slipper can run Quake I. Now Quake 3, that's something else.
Also the framerate is horrible. Tegra (old architecture) already ran Quake 3 with 40 fps, two years ago.
@triplea
No. Apple does what the customer wants.
pachi72 is whinging like a little baby, yet it sounds like he owns an Iphone / Touch.
He also doesn't know that saying 'would of' makes him look stupid and uneducated
Hecks, old Symbian S60 FP1 devices without GPU can run Quake 1 butter smooth. Quake 3 wasn't a problem for N95 or N82 either (since they have GPU).
FPS on a touchscreen phone is still a big no no.
Hey Palm! Let us write native code, give us access to an OpenGL based 3D driver, and us game making people might give a crap about you.
With Love,
A game making people
I want that wallpaper.
Anyone knows where to find it?
@pukerocket
No....no. Apple does what IT wants, and it's loyal (read: near-rabid) fanbase unquestionably follows.
this video isn't using the latest release, available as of a few hours ago.
full playability is introduced and the game runs without any lag whatsoever. (this may also be due to the fact I've overclocked my phone.)
quite impressive given that the gpu isn't utilized yet.
although the controls leave much to be desired for.
In a somewhat related story.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/AMD-GPU-iPhone-Crysis-OTOY,8645.html
@tlmck
ok. now that, I must admit is intriguing.
Pre is so sexy. Even after all this time.
I wish Palm would wake up and LAUNCH it in many european countries (Portugal has no pre or pixi).
Better yet, launch a new version with HD screen 800px (a must), sd slot (a must), WebOS with GPU accel to 3rd party devs, landscape slideout.
That would be a game changer. Palm knows design. Palm knows sexy.
Do it Palm. CES is now!
The big problem is that they use this web crap as base for applications and that just sucks if you want to make anything better than what your browser is capable.
@Suomaa this app was done with Linux and SDL, SDL is now part of the WebOS firmware, incidentally. Also, they've discovered that there is an application-type "game", which launches Linux SDL apps and puts them in a window. The webos-internals folks are working on getting OpenGL to work, if CES this Thursday doesn't beat them to it. :-)
@Suomaa Tell that to Google. Google Docs, Google Maps, etc. How about the coming Chrome OS which is ... web based.
What I dont get is.... this handset is A LOT faster than the minimum spec pcs you needed to run Quake on back in the day, but it still runs totally dog...
Its a good start!
I still do not recommend playing games on phones as iPhone for one can get annoying.
Apple should have made sensors in the black area of the screen on iPhone where you can have game controls to play lol
Or better yet, buy a PSP/DS or a handheld game device.
HAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!
can you say laggy?! Hello Palm, my name is SLOW! As in slow processor. You and I should get together for your next smartphone.
@blinky they created this app in a few days. Slow processor? Same CPU and GPU as the mighty iPhone 3GS.
@blinky Quake isn't using OpenGL, as I understand it, just native passes through the processor. It isn't fully accelerated yet, so for what it is, it's damn impressive.
some of these comments in here are just nonsense. look, just because you don't think there's a market or don't want to play games on a smartphone type device; *WHATEVER* the reason doesn't mean that YOUR ideas dictate an entire market of people. people are different and like different things. i can tell you one thing for sure playing emulators on these devices has given new challenges because of the somewhat trickier control schemes which i find quite FUN actually. games that run under the scummvm program are PERFECT for devices like that, as are other games that have been modded similarly.
in reference to this quake being ported to webos, i've had a build of quake running on my g1 (and playable) for quite sometime, and multiplayer even works out of box; i setup a quake server (artifact quake w runes) and some of us phone people will join the server from time to time and actually try to play deathmatch, it makes for some interesting battles especially with tons of people with different control schemes and setups.
just let people enjoy what they are interested in on the platforms they want, we're not all going to suffer because a few people DONT want gaming on the phone.
And its funny, engadget just made a post about how the pre and webOs is useless yet shown here is clearly ahead of all other mobile platforms.
@neoelectrex
ahead how?
That Pre is a Spy!
Great achievment, but its slow as hell.. I don't know if that's lack of software or hardware - but my 3 year old N95 could run Quake faster than this
Yeah, My N82 from 2007 plays Quake, Quake World, GLQuake, Quake 2 (software and 3D accelerated) AND Quake 3 Arena. All at very playable framerates, bluetooth mouse support and accelerometer controls. Quake 2 and 3 Arena have online multiplayer vs other phones and PC players. I can host my own games and also play via TV-Out. Its amazing to walk through the house and frag family members that are playing in other rooms!
Engadget readers fail to acknowledge Nokia's superior hardware of old that still does things better than new hardware. Give credit where credit is due. Oh and don't give me that "Nokia is flat in the US and unsubsidized this and that" You are readers of Engadget, you have access to information worldwide, it doesn't matter is the US never brings a N-series here. You know they exist but choose to downplay them in support of cheap, carrier controlled devices. Don't set high expectations for a device when you are not willing to pay for those features. You want to see the world but don't want to pay the airfare to see it.
It is great the the Pre is beginning to do what was possible on 3 year old devices. It really is, now more users can begin to demand 3D apps, regardless of OS. The sad thing is that it goes to show the ignorance of the US Market and the cheapness of American consumers. You all could have been enjoying 3d gamiming and more years ago if you didn't hold your fanboyism and wallets so tight.
Yes, I am American, I have an N82, E63 and will have an N900 in a few weeks. I am not bound by Manufacturers that lockdown their OSes to protect their bottom line or by carriers who ignore consumers wants. I am with Tmobile, 4 years running, 5.99 internet on 4 lines and could care less if they ever get the N900 or HD2 because as long as the devices are for sale unlocked, I can make the choice to buy them rather than wait to be fed from a bigwig in a leather chair who decides to be kind enough to add the device to their portfolio.
By the way, the Pre is able to run all Quake games and more at PC level framerates but cannot at the moment due to a locked down OS toolkit. It is good to see that changing. Too bad the bigwigs made a bad choice in design from the get go. Why include a powerful GPU and then disable or limit it's features? Imagine limiting my V8 to run only 4 cylinders while being a V8..... My N82 OMAP can be accessed by whatever I install that needs it. Thats how it should be done.
Seriously, the majority of readers claim to be techies but don't put their money where their affections are. Come out of the crowd and get in the game!
@poisonborz
Well let me tell my observation as a comnsumer and mild tech geek is that Nokia needs to step up its marketing or communications or something because they are missing from mindshare. I don't know what they really have out, what symbian looks like, what they can run, what they do better etc. in my mind all I know is I have heard complaints of old of breaking phones an unreliability, I see handsets that appear kinda ugly to my eye, however objective, and I don't see them being pushed by carriers which makes me feel like meaybe they are trouble. Not saying any of this is fact, I'd love to learn different, only fact is that they have not reached me with any communication to show me different. Unfortunately, perception is, as they say.... reality.
@Thor e
My boss told me that once "Perception is reality". I told him that he is wrong. In reality, Nokia makes award winning high end smartphones/multimedia computers. The perception is that they don't. The truth stands, perceptions fail. There isn't any good reason for anyone in this day and age to be uninformed or misinformed about anything. Take the time and do some research. You should know more about Nokia phones before you "feel like they are trouble". The problem is, more people believe that perception is reality and they use that to override the truth to a fault. Use google, learn different, use youtube, watch videos of N-series phones in action, N82, N95 8GB, take a look at business class E-series, checkout Nokia's hardware and software partners, check out the QT development platform, Python development platform, the open-ended symbian foundation and platform. Compare the quality and awards of a Carl Zeiss 5MP Xenon on the N82 with every other 5MP on the market, compare file playback types of the N-series, audio recording and video quality, files system setups. Become educated rather than look through the lense of opinions from a known biased country. Hands down, Nokia N-series offers more features and user control than any subsidezed handset. Thing is, most people don't give them a chance or even look past the UI or in your case, hear things about it and take what they heard as truth when in actuality it is ill conceived perception.
For example, the N82 has a Dual ARM 11 332 MHz processor; 3D Graphics HW Accelerator. DUAL CORE PROCESSOR!
But American Perception says "Bah, its 332 MHz! We hate the 528 MHz Qualcomm in Android, this MUST be junk!"
Reality says: "This Dual Core CPU+GPU setup is more effient than higher clocked CPUs in subsidized phones. The mature Symbian OS, with its stable code base, ensures a smooth user experience that makes MHz comparisons irrevelant"
American Perception says: WHAT?!?! 128 MB Ram!!! Oh no, I can't multitask more than 2 apps!!
Reality says: "The Symbian OS has excellent memory management and true multitasking. You can open as many applications as you have available memory and switch between them effortlessly with the built-in task switcher button" Click the link below to see one user that opened EVERY application on the phone and still had 6MB of Ram to use. This is after starting with 86MB of ram.
http://thesymbianblog.com/2008/03/05/multitasking-n82/
Lets try to open every app on a subsidized phone and keep them ALL running at the same time and switch between them with the click of a button without bringing the system to its knees with slowdown or crashing the phone.
American Perception says: "Nokias are still junk and ugly!"
Reality says: "American Perception is junk and along with its ugly, biased opinions"
@CJ Hazaa. I could not agree more. Apple knows they all drank the kool-aid and has their customer base byt the short and curlys. They get people to kiss their feet when they releasean update that brings it up to date with 4 yr old technology and will never appologise for not giving some basics like A2DP bluetooth for example. just a gimmick.
Quake Arena has been ported to Maemo for quite some time already. I'm not sure article is all that impressive
But will it blend our future robot overlords, hmm?
@pukerocket - so, "would of" makes one sound uneducated but "whinging" is fine?
@pachi72 your wrong because the iphone is stuck with shitty at&t lol
AFAIK, the internals hackers have not worked it out how to access the touchscreen on the Palm Pre, and the internals hackers have not worked it out ( Palm are schizo and claim to welcome hackers but won't help them >-( ).
Or am I mistaken ?