In a new brand of competition dissing, James DeBragga, General Manager of Windows Consumer Product Marketing, says Android "is free like a puppy." The comment came in the context of the CEO of Entourage praising Android for the fact that's it's versatile and free -- major motivating factors behind his use of the OS on his
Edge e-reader device. James says that Android (like a puppy) is great in theory, but a hassle once you get it home. Unfortunately for him, his metaphor neglects the love and kisses and companionship many humans also associate with puppies. Perhaps James is a cat man? Still, we see his side to some extent: Windows is certainly more mature, supported and capable for powering a tablet device, especially if that tablet needs to perform serious computer-style tasks. Unfortunately, we're not sure if Android, Windows or anything else is really ready to make tablet converts out of us. Now if you'll excuse us, we need to go feed our free iguana, Ricardo.
posted January 12th 2010 1:46PM
Microsoft is just upset that iphone OS and droid OS > windows mobile will ever be
@putaro05
No, gotta disagree with you there. I like windows mobile, but even so, I know it's garbage, just like iphone's OS, android, webOS, what have you.
Waiting for windows mobile 7 and hoping for some god damned zune integration already. Something to make using a mobile phone less of a drag.
@putaro05
Apart from the UI, explain.
Kudos if you're actually coherent in your explanation too.
@putaro05
Just to be clear up front, I use an iPhone and love and adore it, but there is really no need to knock Windows Mobile cause you have never used it and you think it's cool to be on the Windows Mobile Bashing Bandwagon. The OS is good for what it does, and it's very competent and robust. To say otherwise is pure ignorance on your part. And to say one OS is better than the other is just neglect on your part for not noticing the different markets each OS is aimed at.
Pick up an HD2 and tell me that it's not a good experience and that the Windows Mobile platform is junk.
@putaro05 Totally disagree, Windows is releasing Mo 7 which will be pretty close to the Android and iPhone concept. Android is the OS that will disappear within a 5 years. You will always see iPhone OS and Windows OS
@Rem DX
I use PDA's with WinMo on it every day for customers to sign a contract that I can work on their computer.
The fact that it uses internet explorer should be enough of a reason that is is obsolete. I'm not saying that safari is much better browser; I've just had more success with it.
Kudos accepted =]
@7egend
I actually own 2 PCs and a mac so I'm not sure what "bandwagon" you have so intelligently assumed I'm a part of.
I no longer own a droid nor an iPhone so my opinion is not biased at all.
Working in the technology department for most of my life, I just have a lot more experience than you, it's that simple.
@Jaylittles531
so what? WinMo 7 isn't released yet so you have no idea what's in store for it.
@putaro05
Microsoft FUD strikes again. They still want you to believe Windows is a better server OS than Linux just because there's a multi-billion dollar company behind it -- as if that does the end user any good.
WinMo is a half-baked ancient OS, and I'm surprised anyone still defends it. Since I'll be accused of never having used it (sigh, this gets old), actually I have, I used to own a WinMo phone, and it was terrible. Buggy as hell, horribly unintuitive UI.
@UnixSystemsEngineer Het it right. It is a Fully-Baked Semi-Ancient OS.
@putaro05
Sorry I doubted you, after all your experience in the technology department dwarfs any experience I might have amassed over the years. Forgive me for being so ignorant of your superior intellect.
/s
Windows Mobile is a great platform and a great OS, and any improvements made in Windows Mobile 7 are welcome. Judging by your self proclaimed experience in the field, I would say your opinion on the matter is worth little more than the financial advice of a bum.
@UnixSystemsEngineer
I'm surprised to find a poster with intelligence on engadget, unix!
Likewise, I chuckle at how quick people are to call a fanboy out when they themselves are one.
@UnixSystemsEngineer
When? When was the last time you used WinMo exclusively as your primary cell phone device?
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It was just a few years ago that everyone was running WinMo 5.x. The OS was bad, especially when the iPhone came out. Everything was ugly when compared to the iPhone.
Then 6.0 came out. A very solid improvement over the 5.x generation. With tweaks you could have a great OS. Very stable (maybe once a month my phone would need a soft reset).
Finally, 6.5 builds on 6.0 and makes some great improvements. From UI to speed, to being a more finger friendly solution.
I've used WinMo since the early years and it's quite easy to see the evolution of the product. While it still has major deficiencies - I do like it better than my iPod Touch. It has been my experience that people who rip on WinMo:
1. Have never used the device
2. Used a version prior to 6.0
3. Didn't tweak their device
I just haven't ran into ANYONE who is running 6.5 on a custom ROM and hating life. In fact, it's quite the opposite. People just need to give it a chance. I know it's hard when you come to Engadget to get your news. Can't remember the last positive thing they wrote about WinMo.
@7egend
and what makes your intellect so superior here? You can say all you want, I use WinMo daily (unlike you), and am not a fan. That's fact.
Everyone is entitled to theirs, until you understand that, you my friend are the uninformed one here.
I'm just going to take your pointless, senseless posts with a grain of salt. The life of an internet troll must be a lonely one.
/ownage.
@UnixSystemsEngineer
Your avatar reminds me of a top gear episode I saw last week where they put a BMW badge onto a bowl of puke.
Just sayin'...
Also how cool is a surname like DeBragga for a marketing person. You couldn't make it up...
@putaro05
Not once did I ever say it was superior, I think I am pretty ignorant when it comes to technology. No one person can know everything there is about it, and to profess they do, well is just folly.
I do understand people have opinions, I was addressing the fact that you stated: "Microsoft is just upset that iphone OS and droid OS > windows mobile will ever be" which is a very misinformed statement. Windows Mobile is a very stable and suitable OS for people in the business industry or tech industry who need a robust mobile OS.
You can take my comments with a grain of salt all you want, the fact still remains you are uninformed on mobile operating systems. Their benefits, their uses, and their target markets. If this was a Symbian or a Blackberry OS post you would have probably chimed in with iPhone OS and Android OS > (either). Again, each has their target audience, it's like the great OS X vs Windows debate, not one is better than the other.
The sooner you figure that out, the better off you'll be.
Also, It's UNIX with all caps, although small caps are accepted after the U.
@putaro05 You gotta' understand that MS isn't embarrassed by dogs it puts on the market. Ex. Windows ME, Windows Mobile 5, Zune 1.
@7egend
No, the only fact that still remains is that ignorance isn't successful when trying to get your point across. Neither is assuming.
Your ignorance can assume I know nothing about mobile OS's however; your ignorance will be incorrect.
This little disagreement will continue indefinitely if we let it; it's all in what you look for in a mobile OS. I look for apps that are easily installed, a user friendly environment (that requires little tweaking), and little/no crashes. Out of all the mobile OS's I myself have used, I find that WinMo is the least appealing to me (I'm not alone on that argument either).
Also when I said Unix I was referring to the user Unixsystemengineer my apologies for not using the correct capitalization (we all know that is most important when trying to get your point across) /s
I feel that we are getting nowhere with this argument and we should just leave it at our differences. I mean no disrespect to you at all, we just vary in opinion.
@7egend
i personally HATE TF3D
when i get my HD2, the first thing i am going to do, is remove it. I hate how they cover up windows mobile with a bunch of junk.
SPB mobile shell is incomparably better to TF3D
@UnixSystemsEngineer
I've used WinMo twice as my main phone (2003 on an iPaq then 6.1>6.5 custom ROM on an Omnia)And I agree it is a bloated buggy piece of shit, My Hero has been much better with none of those special WinMo hair pulling moments where you need to untick a greyed out box just to get on the internet.
@bjsguess I don't hate WinMo and regularly use it, but I'd say like many other versions of Windows it *really* needs the hardware behind it to shine. Especially running the prettiest and most finger-friendly interface is still currently HTC's Sense UI most WM phones are not nearly as responsive as other phones with similar hardware specs.
Also, the lack of a polished WebKit browser hurts even if Opera has been holding down the fort. Made worse by the fact that the developers of Iris got purchased by RIM, although Dorothy is somewhat promising.
What WM really needs to shine is a version of IE that's faster than Safari, a ton of RAM and an even faster version of Snapdragon.
I do still love WM for the flexibility which is pretty much unmatched, but there's no denying how slow it runs.
@7egend
its not always the os but the hardware powering it.
Worst. Analogy. Ever.
@TT Agreed.
1st, puppies usually aren't free.
2nd, puppies are fucking awesome.
Is Microsoft going to bash GOOG by saying, "Using Google Chrome is like getting a blowjob"?
@Muji
No it's not, I didn't have to pay for Google Chrome.
@TT
iGuana?
A free one, that is.
@TT Actually, the way I understand it, puppies/dogs are obedient to their master. The owner is king in the house and dog does what master says. Cats however are independent creatures and will decide on their own when it's time to play, work, or generally be good. It makes a great analogy if WinMo gets to be the cat with a mind of it's own... sleeping whenever it feels like it... I'll take an obedient phone any day of the week.
@Muji I'd vote this up twice if I could. Not because I care about Android, iPhone OS or Winmo, shooting missiles at each other, I think that's healthy competition, and consumers benefit in the end(i.e. we do). No, i vote you up because your comment is pure awesome-ness.
@TT I think it was like - if you get a free puppy its great and really cute, but then you need to spend a lot of money to feed it and take care of it. Android is free but in order to have cool apps you need to pay. But how is that different than WinMo? I use both of them on my phone and I like both systems.
Wait till it grows up and bites u hard.. in the ASS!
That dog is overweight. -.-
@ppmcdoodles
Josh Topolsky's dog ;)
@ppmcdoodles Yeah, really tipping the scales at 8 lbs.
@Joshua Topolsky Awww... such a cute dog. But growing up with large dogs, I kinda want something tiny like that...
@Joshua Topolsky
If he's pure bred he should be under 6lbs., that's 33% overweight.
@jon
And fat people wielding a keyboard have room to talk about a dog being overweight.
@Joshua Topolsky That dog could live to be 17 or so years old if you change his eating habits and lifestyle. Now is the time. Otherwise, chihuahuas are prone to get diabetes if they are overweight for too long :(
cute little bugger either way though.
@ppmcdoodles
The dog is NOT overweight. Weights for the breed range from 2lbs to 9lbs for Adults. The 6lbs number is a cut-off for acceptable tournament size for the breed.
Someone makes a post about the dog being overweight and all of a sudden we have 40 million dog experts on Engadget, all specializing in the Chihuahua breed.
@7egend
You might be a fat ass, but people live on a cup of rice a week in the only places I'd be called heavy.
@7egend
And for all you know, Josh's dog is small for the breed with a healthy weight of 5lbs.
That is one of the cutest pictures I've ever seen of a Chihuahua, and maybe it's just the angle, but that dog looks heavy to me.
@Joshua Topolsky Penny! Whatever you do, don't let her get into the CyberClean. That'd be a mess waiting to happen....
@ppmcdoodles You have no clue what you're talking about. I thought I'd seen every kind of troll, but look! A brand new type. In case you're busily looking through your dog nutritionist books planning a new diet for our pet, here's a pic. http://twitpic.com/xtu1o Now please go troll elsewhere.
@Joshua Topolsky
ahh thats much better. although, he looks like he's got a hint of the club foot there. ;)
Troll? I suppose. I just HATE overweight pets with a passion.
@Joshua Topolsky that picture is friggin' adorable. ps i dont think your dogs fat. XD
@Joshua Topolsky Your dog is very healthy and is definitely not over weight. Chihuahuas are prone to being overweight if they are allowed to over eat and are fed too many table scraps. My chihuahuas are not overweight yet they are fed from a large bowl, that they share with two labs one of which is 125lbs, and they also eat small scraps but nothing very large. To prove that they are not overweight here is a link to a picture of them http://fav.me/d22aj1i. These fools who say your dog is overweight have probably never even owned a chihuahua and can only think of the Taco Bell chihuahua.
Ah, yes. Free puppies. Oh so terrible. I mean heck, you might catch The Anthrax or The AIDS from them....
/sarcasm
I f*ing hate marketers and adverts.
@BigD145
doaids?
nah, squaids still sounds better.
Does the Nexus One shit on my bed?
@Bandigolo
if it doesn't, i gladly volunteer
@Bandigolo
That's hot.