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About the N900 and OVI Maps. The N900 has a COMPLETLY new architecture for development of apps. The language is Qt and C++ and on Symbian development sucks and the language is really hard to get things done! So to run OVI maps on N900 they will have to recode it!
The N900 is easy to write your own app. You can compile the app on Ubuntu and copy the package via USB wire to the devices and install it. That is an open platform! Try that with an IPhone or Andriod phone.
I'd like to add that Nokia hasn't advertised N900 _that_ much. And all campaigns you now count as ads are coming either from operators or they're "viral".
Also that "We just don't understand Nokias strategy" theme is getting quite old. Yes, they have two "SMARTPHONE" os's. It doesn't matter, both are getting some Qt love in near future, thus making the OS pretty much irrelevant and user can choose which "look" seems to be better. There are obviously reasons why they have two platforms when it comes to "smartphones", we just don't know them because we're not experts when it comes to kernel timers and really nerd stuff like that.
Engadget (and rest of the media & blogosphere) has been saying how Nokia is doomed/totally lost for couple of years now. Yet now in January 2010 Nokia is still so strong that they rule the market while basically doing nothing. N900 was just a stopgap device, N97 & co also. And at the same time Nokia has been working on mostly in the background with new Ovi services and OS's.
People should really realize how frickin big Nokia is. All were in awe when Google did its "free navigation" thing. Now when Nokia did the same they did it in 526 times bigger way (offline, whole world, lonely planet, etc.). For an example Google just can't do it, they don't have the resources and competition at this stage lags at least couple years behind Nokia. Do you people realize what happens when Nokia finally "finishes" their next longterm platforms (something like Symbian^4+ & Maemo 6+)? That is some serious shit going on.. it means hundreds of millions (and I'm not kidding) of users for Ovi email, maps, im, store, etc. in a couple of years.
But hey, this is nothing new. Google is teh god. Android navigation is of course better (even though it is only available in the US, sucks as an app and as an service compared to Ovi Maps 3.x) and Android Market is so much better than Ovi Store (even though it's not even open anywhere in the world (excluding the US and few other countries))....
If Nokia would have released as crippled services as Android Store and Googles free navigation, all the media (including Engadget) would have laughed and made snarky remarks.
@CKurt Considering with extra testing there's probally about 350 apps. Plus the ovi store apps.
Sometimes i feel even as engadget should be tech blog that how many of them actually take their time to test the products. Installing app from app manager.... choose the gategory, multimedia, widgets, games, what ever. Choose the app you wanna install, then you need to press ok to install it(i guess pressing ok was the part that got them.
I really think reading the review they made that they actually don't know about application manager in N900. I mean they didn't even mention it on the review and that's the place where you get all the apps.... same as saying that it's hard to install application to android device because you didn't use the android market.....
It's astounding that a major blog would insist that people live in an area where they could come to a physical office. That seems like a sad statement on your own faith in technology.
@reckless just tweeted: Okay, by popular demand, here are all the crazy "he then died" Apple conspiracy emails. http://hethendied.tumblr.com I hope they never end.
Awe-inspiring reading!
Especially loved the line "Is everybody in the media but you retarded???"
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DAMN YOU ENGADGET!
Why couldn't you have started fifteen minutes later.
please do share the "then he died" emails!
@Jeff "Then he did"!
http://hethendied.tumblr.com/
Not working for me.....anyone else?
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@theNEOone my work seems to block the uStream chat sadly.
So no access from the iphone app?
About the N900 and OVI Maps. The N900 has a COMPLETLY new architecture for development of apps. The language is Qt and C++ and on Symbian development sucks and the language is really hard to get things done! So to run OVI maps on N900 they will have to recode it!
The N900 is easy to write your own app. You can compile the app on Ubuntu and copy the package via USB wire to the devices and install it. That is an open platform! Try that with an IPhone or Andriod phone.
@CKurt
About the Apps for the N900, check out this page! http://maemo.org/downloads/Maemo5/
Really don't say it does not have apps... (and they are not THAT hard to install)
I'd like to add that Nokia hasn't advertised N900 _that_ much. And all campaigns you now count as ads are coming either from operators or they're "viral".
Also that "We just don't understand Nokias strategy" theme is getting quite old. Yes, they have two "SMARTPHONE" os's. It doesn't matter, both are getting some Qt love in near future, thus making the OS pretty much irrelevant and user can choose which "look" seems to be better. There are obviously reasons why they have two platforms when it comes to "smartphones", we just don't know them because we're not experts when it comes to kernel timers and really nerd stuff like that.
Engadget (and rest of the media & blogosphere) has been saying how Nokia is doomed/totally lost for couple of years now. Yet now in January 2010 Nokia is still so strong that they rule the market while basically doing nothing. N900 was just a stopgap device, N97 & co also. And at the same time Nokia has been working on mostly in the background with new Ovi services and OS's.
People should really realize how frickin big Nokia is. All were in awe when Google did its "free navigation" thing. Now when Nokia did the same they did it in 526 times bigger way (offline, whole world, lonely planet, etc.). For an example Google just can't do it, they don't have the resources and competition at this stage lags at least couple years behind Nokia. Do you people realize what happens when Nokia finally "finishes" their next longterm platforms (something like Symbian^4+ & Maemo 6+)? That is some serious shit going on.. it means hundreds of millions (and I'm not kidding) of users for Ovi email, maps, im, store, etc. in a couple of years.
But hey, this is nothing new. Google is teh god. Android navigation is of course better (even though it is only available in the US, sucks as an app and as an service compared to Ovi Maps 3.x) and Android Market is so much better than Ovi Store (even though it's not even open anywhere in the world (excluding the US and few other countries))....
If Nokia would have released as crippled services as Android Store and Googles free navigation, all the media (including Engadget) would have laughed and made snarky remarks.
@CKurt Considering with extra testing there's probally about 350 apps. Plus the ovi store apps.
Sometimes i feel even as engadget should be tech blog that how many of them actually take their time to test the products. Installing app from app manager.... choose the gategory, multimedia, widgets, games, what ever. Choose the app you wanna install, then you need to press ok to install it(i guess pressing ok was the part that got them.
I really think reading the review they made that they actually don't know about application manager in N900. I mean they didn't even mention it on the review and that's the place where you get all the apps.... same as saying that it's hard to install application to android device because you didn't use the android market.....
Here we go about apple tablet...
I was about to check in......but just got done with CES podacasts and need to get caught up before I become cutting edge.
Oh well. This Zima tastes great.
Anyone know what headphones Trent Wolbe was using in the engadget trailer during CES?
Shame Ive just got online now
Downloading new Ovi maps on my e71 now. Here was me about to chuck it for a Nexus One
i guess my work blocks the ustream chat too :(
Your not the only one sick of hearing about it
That was kinda lame
It's astounding that a major blog would insist that people live in an area where they could come to a physical office. That seems like a sad statement on your own faith in technology.
@Devilstower Say what? We're all over the place -- Josh and Paul are in New York, Chris and I are in Chicago. Our other editors are spread worldwide.
Sometimes it's nice to all be in the same place, though. We rather like hanging out with each other!
Man, you guys keep changing the day and time you do the podcast. I really wish that there was some sort of a schedule.
@reckless just tweeted:
Okay, by popular demand, here are all the crazy "he then died" Apple conspiracy emails. http://hethendied.tumblr.com I hope they never end.
Awe-inspiring reading!
Especially loved the line "Is everybody in the media but you retarded???"