Really? I'm pretty sure that I bought my Hp/Compaq TC1000 back in February of 2003, and it had USB, a media card reader, and several other 'features' not present on Apple's (as yet unreleased) 'New Creation'.
@Stanley Actually, with all of the backlash iPad got I think it was very very wise from HP to wait for it and see what happens...
They can build on the top of all criticism of the iPad like: lack of multitasking, lack of camera, flash support(well duh!) and other things. They get to read all of those analysis and bashing and build on top of that.
Dunno if they did this on purpose or not but it was a very lucky move since could have been that the iPad could well be worth something instead of just an iPod on steroids.
The iPad is a multitouch device, that is stylus driven.
Also, Apple has patent applications going back a few years that forecast the release of an iPad device. It isn't like they suddenly decided one night to make a tablet and then slapped one together in a half-hour.
The HP slate was a slap-dash attempt to beat Apple to the multitouch tablet market. The CES keynote message was loud and clear:
"See? We have multitouch tablets and we're announcing them BEFORE a certain company that shall not be mentioned here! What's that? you want to see what features it has? Ok, Let me show it jerkily flip through some pages... See? That's pretty much something exactly what App- I mean that other company would do... well... kinda... HEY, Get your credit cards ready for this folks!"
The reason why they need to take time is because the slate is not done. What was shown, was barely a prototype. Apple already announced their specs and price. WHY hasn't HP?
If they want to undercut and are capable of doing so, it won't be that hard to put the word out. Apple put their cards on the table already and yelled CALL.
@Liquidmark wait... the slate isnt finished? have you actually seen the ipad, the thing is a piece of crap. has barely any of the functionality of the slate or other tablet PC's
youre also gonna have a lot of eye problems reading long novels off of the ipads screen, its why e-ink screens are so popular, because people like their eyes, theyre useful, you should like them too, you can gawp at steve jobs' 'brand new and never done before' product
Oh, and MS courier with winpho7s would be amazing, cant wait to see what it has on it :D
"The HP slate was a slap-dash attempt to beat Apple to the multitouch tablet market. The CES keynote message was loud and clear:"
The same idiotic "Apple invented everything, and everyone else is copying Apple and doing a poor job" meme. As the years go by, the sadder it becomes.
#1 The iPad is a thin slate running the iPhone OS. What exactly did they do that was so out of this world?
It is a "duh" device. Take an existing OS developed for a phone and then just tack it onto a device with a larger screen.....poorly as the homescreen illustrates. Give it a hook of being able to read books, and call it a day.
Most of the people who aren't just gushing at the chance to buy an Apple device, cant really give you a honest reason as to what this is supposed to be the primary motivation of buying one.
""See? We have multitouch tablets and we're announcing them BEFORE a certain company that shall not be mentioned here! What's that? you want to see what features it has? Ok, Let me show it jerkily flip through some pages... See? That's pretty much something exactly what App- I mean that other company would do... well... kinda... HEY, Get your credit cards ready for this folks!""
There have been slates and tablets...some with multi-touch long before Apple said (dare I say?) "me too". but of course they were ALL just reacting to a device that existed as a rumor for years, right?
"The reason why they need to take time is because the slate is not done. What was shown, was barely a prototype. Apple already announced their specs and price. WHY hasn't HP?"
Apple announced a device that is missing a list full of stuff people were expecting. It's obvious that those thing will be dumped in in later releases. So in essence it an "unfinished product" in the worst way. Congrats for them for announcing some specs and a price for a device that really should have been refined much more before they announced it.
Seriously though. It almost seem like Apple just kept hearing so many chants for a tablet device, they just thought to quickly get one out, with the least amount of effort, because they were sure it would make a splash, guaranteed. And the "iPad" kind a screams that.
Um, no, you don't know what you're talking about. The iPad has its own SDK. It's not going to be "the same OS as the iPhone" any more than the iPhone OS is the "same OS as on Macs." It's all OS X underneath, with pieces added or removed to fit the device.
It's hilarious to read all these things people are saying about Vapor. The Courier can't possibly be "the iPad we all want" because no one - INCLUDING Micrososoft - had no idea what the Courier will be yet.
@Mr w00t "They can build on the top of all criticism of the iPad like: lack of multitasking, lack of camera, flash support(well duh!) and other things. They get to read all of those analysis and bashing and build on top of that."
So why are they over in Taiwan working furiously to cheapen their product? If it's so wonderful compared to the iPad, why can't they sell it at a higher price? Your comments make no sense. Businesses exist to make money for their shareholders, APPL, HPQ, MSFT, doesn't matter who, at the end of the day they have to make a profit.
HP has to pay both intel and Microsoft just to get a slate out the door, and that extra cost adds at least $200 to the retail price. Apple doesn't pay those taxes on iPad because Jobs is no dummy. While HP is losing their shirt selling slates at a loss, Apple will still be making a profit.
@Liquidmark Just cause apple came to market with a half ass product doesn't mean other companies must follow suit(thankfully). I like how hp is leaving the ipad to "stew in it's own juices" so to speak, then when the time is right, they will hit the market with the solution. I can't wait till apple is demoted to making kiddie media players and childrens laptops;) and leave the real hardware for the less fruity companies.
@DaHarder That TC1000 cost nearly $1800. I guess it should have had a port or two on it. Very few of those devices were ever sold. It was basically another failed tablet for consumer use. I'm sure it could do a lot of things but it had no consumer appeal at all. It was a good attempt for Compaq but I'm sure they took a beating on cost. It was essentially an oversized PDA and most didn't see the purpose of it.
"It was essentially an oversized PDA and most didn't see the purpose of it."
Ok, I read all the posts and don't get your point here because if you change that 'oversized PDA' to oversized iPod Touch, and that's pretty much what most people are saying about the iPad.
Can't really see how this has much to do with anything except maybe you're predicting that the iPad will also be, "another failed tablet for consumer use".
So 'That TC1000 cost nearly $1800' around 7 or 8 years ago making it pretty close to what Apple wants to charge for the TOTL iPad when it goes on sale, when you account for inflation and all.
So I'm also thinking that you don't really have a point unless you're trying to say the iPad is going to be a huge iFail because it's just an oversized iPod Touch.
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@Stanley
Really? I'm pretty sure that I bought my Hp/Compaq TC1000 back in February of 2003, and it had USB, a media card reader, and several other 'features' not present on Apple's (as yet unreleased) 'New Creation'.
http://www.thevooner.com/feature/2003/01/09/tc1000/tc1000.htm
So who followed whom?
@Stanley You are so right. I can't wait for HP to offer Bluray... man, Apple has had it since... oh wait.
@Stanley you people actually believe that Apple invented absolutely everything don't you?
@Stanley Actually, with all of the backlash iPad got I think it was very very wise from HP to wait for it and see what happens...
They can build on the top of all criticism of the iPad like: lack of multitasking, lack of camera, flash support(well duh!) and other things. They get to read all of those analysis and bashing and build on top of that.
Dunno if they did this on purpose or not but it was a very lucky move since could have been that the iPad could well be worth something instead of just an iPod on steroids.
@DaHarder
"So who followed whom?"
let's see...
The iPad is a multitouch device, that is stylus driven.
Also, Apple has patent applications going back a few years that forecast the release of an iPad device. It isn't like they suddenly decided one night to make a tablet and then slapped one together in a half-hour.
The HP slate was a slap-dash attempt to beat Apple to the multitouch tablet market. The CES keynote message was loud and clear:
"See? We have multitouch tablets and we're announcing them BEFORE a certain company that shall not be mentioned here! What's that? you want to see what features it has? Ok, Let me show it jerkily flip through some pages... See? That's pretty much something exactly what App- I mean that other company would do... well... kinda... HEY, Get your credit cards ready for this folks!"
The reason why they need to take time is because the slate is not done. What was shown, was barely a prototype. Apple already announced their specs and price. WHY hasn't HP?
If they want to undercut and are capable of doing so, it won't be that hard to put the word out. Apple put their cards on the table already and yelled CALL.
@Liquidmark
wait... the slate isnt finished?
have you actually seen the ipad, the thing is a piece of crap.
has barely any of the functionality of the slate or other tablet PC's
youre also gonna have a lot of eye problems reading long novels off of the ipads screen, its why e-ink screens are so popular, because people like their eyes, theyre useful, you should like them too, you can gawp at steve jobs' 'brand new and never done before' product
Oh, and MS courier with winpho7s would be amazing, cant wait to see what it has on it :D
@Stanley
"The HP slate was a slap-dash attempt to beat Apple to the multitouch tablet market. The CES keynote message was loud and clear:"
The same idiotic "Apple invented everything, and everyone else is copying Apple and doing a poor job" meme. As the years go by, the sadder it becomes.
#1 The iPad is a thin slate running the iPhone OS. What exactly did they do that was so out of this world?
It is a "duh" device. Take an existing OS developed for a phone and then just tack it onto a device with a larger screen.....poorly as the homescreen illustrates. Give it a hook of being able to read books, and call it a day.
Most of the people who aren't just gushing at the chance to buy an Apple device, cant really give you a honest reason as to what this is supposed to be the primary motivation of buying one.
""See? We have multitouch tablets and we're announcing them BEFORE a certain company that shall not be mentioned here! What's that? you want to see what features it has? Ok, Let me show it jerkily flip through some pages... See? That's pretty much something exactly what App- I mean that other company would do... well... kinda... HEY, Get your credit cards ready for this folks!""
There have been slates and tablets...some with multi-touch long before Apple said (dare I say?) "me too". but of course they were ALL just reacting to a device that existed as a rumor for years, right?
"The reason why they need to take time is because the slate is not done. What was shown, was barely a prototype. Apple already announced their specs and price. WHY hasn't HP?"
Apple announced a device that is missing a list full of stuff people were expecting. It's obvious that those thing will be dumped in in later releases. So in essence it an "unfinished product" in the worst way. Congrats for them for announcing some specs and a price for a device that really should have been refined much more before they announced it.
Seriously though. It almost seem like Apple just kept hearing so many chants for a tablet device, they just thought to quickly get one out, with the least amount of effort, because they were sure it would make a splash, guaranteed. And the "iPad" kind a screams that.
@LAY
Um, no, you don't know what you're talking about. The iPad has its own SDK. It's not going to be "the same OS as the iPhone" any more than the iPhone OS is the "same OS as on Macs." It's all OS X underneath, with pieces added or removed to fit the device.
It's hilarious to read all these things people are saying about Vapor. The Courier can't possibly be "the iPad we all want" because no one - INCLUDING Micrososoft - had no idea what the Courier will be yet.
@Mr w00t "They can build on the top of all criticism of the iPad like: lack of multitasking, lack of camera, flash support(well duh!) and other things. They get to read all of those analysis and bashing and build on top of that."
So why are they over in Taiwan working furiously to cheapen their product? If it's so wonderful compared to the iPad, why can't they sell it at a higher price? Your comments make no sense. Businesses exist to make money for their shareholders, APPL, HPQ, MSFT, doesn't matter who, at the end of the day they have to make a profit.
HP has to pay both intel and Microsoft just to get a slate out the door, and that extra cost adds at least $200 to the retail price. Apple doesn't pay those taxes on iPad because Jobs is no dummy. While HP is losing their shirt selling slates at a loss, Apple will still be making a profit.
@Liquidmark Just cause apple came to market with a half ass product doesn't mean other companies must follow suit(thankfully). I like how hp is leaving the ipad to "stew in it's own juices" so to speak, then when the time is right, they will hit the market with the solution. I can't wait till apple is demoted to making kiddie media players and childrens laptops;) and leave the real hardware for the less fruity companies.
@DaHarder
That TC1000 cost nearly $1800. I guess it should have had a port or two on it. Very few of those devices were ever sold. It was basically another failed tablet for consumer use. I'm sure it could do a lot of things but it had no consumer appeal at all. It was a good attempt for Compaq but I'm sure they took a beating on cost. It was essentially an oversized PDA and most didn't see the purpose of it.
@MosesusedaniPad
"It was essentially an oversized PDA and most didn't see the purpose of it."
Ok, I read all the posts and don't get your point here because if you change that 'oversized PDA' to oversized iPod Touch, and that's pretty much what most people are saying about the iPad.
Can't really see how this has much to do with anything except maybe you're predicting that the iPad will also be, "another failed tablet for consumer use".
@MosesusedaniPad
So 'That TC1000 cost nearly $1800' around 7 or 8 years ago making it pretty close to what Apple wants to charge for the TOTL iPad when it goes on sale, when you account for inflation and all.
So I'm also thinking that you don't really have a point unless you're trying to say the iPad is going to be a huge iFail because it's just an oversized iPod Touch.