Looking to fight an apparent outbreak of FUD, Adobe's Flash evangelist Mark Doherty has posted some hard numbers (and accompanying video) on the effect
Flash 10.1 has on the
Nexus One -- and put simply, it really doesn't appear to have much effect at all. To back up his cause, Doherty plays a 17-minute embedded video in the full YouTube site then pops over to Android's built-in battery use utility, which indicates that only 6 percent of the juice has gone to power the browser (of course, leaving the screen on to watch the video is another story altogether). He says that the company's tests suggest they can get about three hours of H.264 playback over WiFi, which is theoretically enough to watch a movie or two; obviously the proof is in the pudding here, but this is a promising sign that these guys have taken battery optimization very, very seriously for this mobile push. Video after the break.
posted February 24th 2010 7:59PM
Droid does baby
and yea, i hope adobe air is on it as well when the update comes
@robindahoods
Battery Optimization? Adobe Air?
Apple is still emotionally preparing itself to even accept flash.
@robindahoods Wait... you mean Apple... lied????
@robindahoods
Droid does what? Youtube?
Hmmm if only you could watch Youtube on the iPhone... hrmm
@Wesscoast
oh im sorry, i meant to say, droid does the "real" youtube
Too bad I can't watch this video, being that I'm on my iPod.
@McPOW Apple lied. Unicorns died.
@Wesscoast You can get flash games too.....it's nice if you have kids.
@robindahoods
As does the pre I hope adobe spent just as much time worrying about battery consumption for the pre version, because I have heard of some pre users having energy consumption issues with there battery.
I haven't but than again maybe I have good luck with gadgets because I haven't had a problem with vista and have been using it for a year now. Anyway I am so happy to see adobe taking the mobile internet seriously.
until now we all glared in envy at windows and Symbian smart phones sporting the ever so coveted sky-fire browser. Which actually is the one thing I had a very hard time letting go of when I switched from the touchpro to the pre.
I got over it once I fell in love with webos though :-) and from what I have seen, webos and android seem to do flash in alot more elegant way than sky-fire ever did, but than again i haven't used sky-fire in a while.
I'm willing to bet they haven't made any improvements to there browser that would stand up to the functionality of the stock webos and android browsers, "pinch to zoom" anyone?
@McPOW How did apple lie? 3 hours for a flash movie is terrible... over 40% less battery than watching a regular movie on the N1...
Power and battery
Removable 1400 mAH battery
Charges at 480mA from USB, at 980mA from supplied charger
Talk time
Up to 10 hours on 2G
Up to 7 hours on 3G
Standby time
Up to 290 hours on 2G
Up to 250 hours on 3G
Internet use
Up to 5 hours on 3G
Up to 6.5 hours on Wi-Fi
Video playback
Up to 7 hours
Audio playback
Up to 20 hours
@McPOW Correction not Apple Steve Jobs did...
@dxdragon 7 hours of video with wifi off.
Can you measure how many hours of youtube video can be watched on an iPhone?
@Branhower ... Vimeo supports HTML5. So visit http://vimeo.com/9705969 on your iPod and click Switch to HTML5 player and it should work fine.
Open standards FTW.
@Branhower UNTIL HTML5 actually replaces Flash in 95% of web sites currently using Flash, browsers that expect to be taken serious must support it. I don't see this happening for 3-5 years if ever. Any browser that doesn't support Flash is going to be shunned by the very users the iPad is targeting.
There's a lot of room for improvement here.. I say, go for it! http://bit.ly/flash-on-apple-opinions
@robindahoods just a test
@dxdragon
Take in consideration that they suggest you get approx. 3 hour playback via wifi, which also takes some battery juice. I don't say that 3 hours is alot but I wouldn't say it's terrible, after all how often you actually watch couple of movies from your phone ^^
@Bosco HAHAHAHAHAAHAHA
@McPOW Apple lied? 10.1 isn't even out. Hardly a lie.
@reeputee I had a sudden flashback to 2004...
UNTIL Firefox actually replaces IE in 95% of web sites currently optimized for IE, websites that expect to be taken seriously must support it. I don't see this happening for 3-5 years if ever. Any website that's not optimized for IE is going to be shunned by the very users the website designers are targeting.
@robindahoods
and hulu....
see kids flash isnt so bad after all :)
lets all worry about html5 in two years time shall we?
@BubblegumBalloon
I thought android did HTML5?
At least, i've read it supports some of the tags, and they keep adding more?
-Taylor
@reader1
Don't you do enough talking out of your ass at DailyTech, do you have to bring it here too?
@reader1
you're dumb.
and I've seen amazing things done with html 5
@BubblegumBalloon
not really to concerned about flash games but streaming flash video is HUGE.
cant wait to see how this develops.
@Drybones5
look it can render a box and it can bend 45 degrees.
@BubblegumBalloon "Jim Henson had a wait and see attitude and look where that got us: wrong-sounding Muppets."
@BubblegumBalloon Not so bad?? Isn't the the N1 normally rated at 7 hours of video playback? That means that Flash is knocking back battery life by 57%
How is that not bad??
@Taylor Yes Taylor It does support html5 canvas so far and storage. But not video tags..as far as i know. Check out http://onecm.com/projects/canopy/ on any android phone.
@reader1
And replaced with...
@GadgetGeezer Streaming flash is different from viewing flash. Streaming ANY video will cut your battery life significantly. To be fair, we'd have to download the flash video files first and see how that compares.
@GadgetGeezer
Its a hell of a lot better than the ZERO seconds of flash anything that any iPoo product can manage...
I can't wait, it looks very smooth and awesome.
yay :D
@lars1110
D@m right, now if only Droid sport a Silverlight player for Netflick and Olympic game :D
In Steve defense, that test is a lie. Even if it had video to proves it. And please please do buy them iPad.
@cdf74dc9
your mindless obedience scares me
If nexus has flash already loaded when it comes to verizon, I will gladly pay the ETF to pick one up.
I'm more concerned as to why I can't fastforward past the buffering...
Yo dawg, we heard you like online video so we put a YouTube video in your Vimeo video so you can YouTube while you Vimeo.
@keyrat
(annoying camera moves in and out while pimps make obnoxious gang expressions and lucky marthafocker covers face in disbelief)
Let me get this straight... H.264 is FLASH now?! WTF?!?!?!
@Philip Han
Yep, you read it right. Didnt you know? lol
Yeah, I'm confused.
@Philip Han
I guess Apple has won
Right, H.264 which can be hardware accelerated by Flash 10.1. Playing H.264 video was never a debate, Flash doesn't add anything there not accomplished by HTML5, it was the things that Flash can't hardware accelerate that have come under fire. Play a complicated flash game for 17 minutes and then we can have a proper debate on the issue.
@johnm
Actually Flash does add something videos. It provides rudimentary copy protection by making it harder for a user to save a video. With HTML5, you just right click to save a video. You can't do that with Flash.
As a developer, this may be a deciding factor to keep using Flash.
@johnm actually flash does not use hardware acceleration for h.264 on phones and it can do way more then html5
@johnm BINGO!
(what he said)
@jakey As a user, I will search for a non-flash alternative for the content you're offering.