Right, H.264 which can be hardware accelerated by Flash 10.1. Playing H.264 video was never a debate, Flash doesn't add anything there not accomplished by HTML5, it was the things that Flash can't hardware accelerate that have come under fire. Play a complicated flash game for 17 minutes and then we can have a proper debate on the issue.
@johnm Actually Flash does add something videos. It provides rudimentary copy protection by making it harder for a user to save a video. With HTML5, you just right click to save a video. You can't do that with Flash.
As a developer, this may be a deciding factor to keep using Flash.
@Edobe Yes, I have heard of it. I also know it can't download all flash videos, esp videos from larger content providers. There are multiple methods to accomplish this, from locked temporary files to using flash to do a stream (not just play an flv file). Of course, as always, there are other ways to get around this, but they are much less trivial and most consumers will not attempt them.
@MaTdg That's fine, but the alternative will almost be guaranteed to have other kinds of DRM in it anyways (if they are going through the trouble to copy protect their flash videos, they are going to do the same with their other sources). And I'm not talking about small websites using flash for this, I'm talking about big content providers.
"Actually Flash does add something videos. It provides rudimentary copy protection by making it harder for a user to save a video. With HTML5, you just right click to save a video. You can't do that with Flash."
While I certainly agree that this is the case, this doesn't seem to bother some content providers who provide H.264 feeds of what is normally protected content. Take, for example, the BBC iPlayer service that runs fine on the iPhone and which was introduced with plain ol' HTML 4.
Content will go to the consumers and not the other way around since, frankly, you need us more than we need you.
You know the BBC, as a not for profit company isn't as scared of people freely accessing it's content as say Hulu, who are s%&t scared they would lose content providers not happy with the level of protection. The BBC produces it's own content.
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Right, H.264 which can be hardware accelerated by Flash 10.1. Playing H.264 video was never a debate, Flash doesn't add anything there not accomplished by HTML5, it was the things that Flash can't hardware accelerate that have come under fire. Play a complicated flash game for 17 minutes and then we can have a proper debate on the issue.
@johnm
Actually Flash does add something videos. It provides rudimentary copy protection by making it harder for a user to save a video. With HTML5, you just right click to save a video. You can't do that with Flash.
As a developer, this may be a deciding factor to keep using Flash.
@johnm actually flash does not use hardware acceleration for h.264 on phones and it can do way more then html5
@johnm BINGO!
(what he said)
@jakey As a user, I will search for a non-flash alternative for the content you're offering.
@jakey You've never heard of the firefox add on video downloader? It's very easy to download a flash video with it.
@Edobe
Yes, I have heard of it. I also know it can't download all flash videos, esp videos from larger content providers. There are multiple methods to accomplish this, from locked temporary files to using flash to do a stream (not just play an flv file). Of course, as always, there are other ways to get around this, but they are much less trivial and most consumers will not attempt them.
@MaTdg
That's fine, but the alternative will almost be guaranteed to have other kinds of DRM in it anyways (if they are going through the trouble to copy protect their flash videos, they are going to do the same with their other sources). And I'm not talking about small websites using flash for this, I'm talking about big content providers.
@jakey
"Actually Flash does add something videos. It provides rudimentary copy protection by making it harder for a user to save a video. With HTML5, you just right click to save a video. You can't do that with Flash."
While I certainly agree that this is the case, this doesn't seem to bother some content providers who provide H.264 feeds of what is normally protected content. Take, for example, the BBC iPlayer service that runs fine on the iPhone and which was introduced with plain ol' HTML 4.
Content will go to the consumers and not the other way around since, frankly, you need us more than we need you.
@Kelmon
You know the BBC, as a not for profit company isn't as scared of people freely accessing it's content as say Hulu, who are s%&t scared they would lose content providers not happy with the level of protection. The BBC produces it's own content.