@outphase84 I'm in the exact same boat. Why must they make us wait!?! @alphabuild Yeah I nearly wet myself when I saw that. And I'm due for an upgrade too!
@outphase84 Im in the same exact boat. Anyone have an opinion about this? I'm really diggin' the Palm Pre, I like the form-factor more than the N1 and the Droid. Is the Pre Plus vastly inferior to the Moto Droid and N1, or can I get the Pre Plus and not really lose out of too much?
@Giantenemycrab The biggest drawback is the relatively limited app catalog selection compared to android. The Pre also has a smaller screen, but other than that, no reason to hold back on it.
Palm Pre is the only smartphone to offer Flash 10.0!
My Palm Pre has been rock-solid. Plus it comes with a 1 year warranty. I bought two Palm Pre phones for my family back in June 2009. Both phones have been extremely reliable. I use my phone quite a lot, about a few hours each day - mostly listening to recordings and reading. The battery lasts me the whole day; and last even longer – about two days, when I use it moderately.
I bought the Palm Pre which comes with 256MB RAM (i.e. memory) and 8GB of storage. The Palm Pre Plus has an even more solid construction, and you get 512MB of memory and 16GB of storage. You also get the Touchstone back-cover which allows you to charge your phone wirelessly.
With the Palm Pre, you also get Palm’s innovative webOS smartphone operating system, currently the best in the smartphone market – it is intuitive, powerful, and fun-to-use. Ever since its launch in June 2009, Palm has released about 10 updates to webOS. The latest version is webOS 1.4 which became available today. This update makes the Palm Pre the first smartphone to run Adobe’s Flash 10.0. Flash 10.0 works beautifully with webOS; just start typing on your phone and the Palm Pre will automatically search the web. The Palm Pre runs YouTube videos natively using Flash 10.0, without having to launch a special application.
The Palm Pre Plus with webOS supports the OpenGL 3D graphics library to perform hardware acceleration of 3D graphics. The biggest gaming companies like Electronics Arts (EA) have released their top 3D games like “Need for Speed” and “Sims City” for the Palm Pre. In fact, the Palm Pre Plus is so powerful that it was demonstrated recently to run 50 applications simultaneously (i.e. multitasking) while also running the 3D game “Need for Speed” at full acceleration!
Battery life is also very good for a smartphone. I can listen to music for hours, browse the Internet, and my phone still lasts the whole day. With moderate usage, the phone’s battery lasts for about two days. When the phone is not in use, the battery hardly drains, so it can hold its charge for many days.
The Palm Pre Plus feels solid. When you slide to close the keyboard, it locks into place. I also like the keyboard. I have medium size hands and I can regularly type about three lines before hitting the wrong key. The keyboard also has tactile feedback so when you press on the keys, you can feel the click when it makes contact. I recommend this phone.
@danielstanard I still do not get the tons of apps statement. yea tons of apps that do the same thing and none which do what i want. All i would add is an optical trackpad. the ball is dated.
@Thinker Claiming the touchstone is real wireless charging is a fallacy. It still needs to be touching the dock thing and that my friend has wires. By this logic my nexus 1 dock is wirelessly charging my nexus 1.
Can't wait for witricity to release some consumer products... then we will have true wireless charging.
@outphase84 Pre Plus is solid. I have a Droid and a Pre. My only beef with the pre is the limited apps. But as a phone, it's very nice. Small, easy to type on, and don't let the smaller display fool you... it's nice and web surfing is still very enjoyable on it. i'd like to see more mainstream apps on it like Android is starting to get. Question is, with low sales volume, will that ever happen?
@Thinker And you get an OS that *still* doesn't have a strong following. And btw, hardcore users and zealots do NOT equal a successful following; I'm a former WinMo user and current Android (G1/Nexus One) fan, so I'm familiar with this problem. :-)
@Thinker I'm glad your Pre has been problem free, but you need to stop attacking people who voice opinions about their bad experiences. The Pre is a good phone, but being a jerk and denying hardware issues is just insane. You attacked me on another story and I ignored it.
I'm calling you out this time. I did NOT drive my Pre hardware. Each time I had the device replaced, a random hardware component changed. I mean from crying out loud, I kept it protected in a $40 case from Seidio. The device wasn't being abused.
So to clarify, I had my device replaced for the following reasons (each with its own video, complaining about the problem):
1) Keyboard died. Belly up, would not respond to any input, and the Sprint service techs verified the ribbon wasn't bad.
2) Camera hardware died. It would no longer activate, period, even after the Sprint tech tried webosdoctor-ing the device back to factory.
3) Device would not charge, even with new battery. Charging door was still intact, and the charging pin was not busted. Device had to be replaced
4) Keyboard died on number 4. This one was different. You would type long just fine and all of a sudden, the device would start repeating the last inputted character. Pulling the battery and rebooting the phone didn't work. As soon as the OS came back up, random characters would appear across synergy search in repeat.
5) Lastly, the last Palm Pre was another episode of camera hardware failure.
You need to keep in mind that each Palm Pre was replaced with a refurbished unit. To say that I didn't love my Pre or that I was just abusing it is just being childish. I mean, why the hell did you think I had gone to the Pre in the first place? It offered an iPhone-like experience on a carrier with better service and pricing plans in my area. At the end of the day though, I got sick of replacing my unit every two months or so.
Really, I'm happy for you and your Pres. webOS is amazing. I miss my card-based multitasking and rapid google searching via synergy.
Here's to hoping that Palm's next webOS device is a slate-style device w/o hardware issues.
Nice name, but let us reason together. webOS was released approximately 9 months ago, and has already sold 1.5 million copies (mostly at Sprint the third largest carrier). webOS already has 2,000 applications in the App Catalog, its application store. Where were Android sales 9 months after it was released? And how many carriers and countries was Android sold at? Android was released close to one year before the Palm Pre was released in June 6, 2009. It is not fair to compare the two without doing comparative analysis. I try not to express strong views or opinions about things I am unsure of; this allows me to stay objective. Most people base their opinions on assumptions, and reach a point where they cannot make clear distinctions between fiction and reality. I make every attempt to keep myself intellectually honest. I love the truth!
Palm is currently in fewer than 10 countries, and in its first 8 months, the Palm Pre was being sold at only one carrier in the US – Sprint, a relatively small carrier (that is in third place behind Verizon and AT&T) in terms of customers. Palm’s competitors have distributions in over 180 countries (though it is possible that Android is not in all of those countries). But pound for pound, it is quite likely that the Palm Pre has performed better than Android did 9 months after it was released. Palm’s potential is in increasing its distribution worldwide quite rapidly this year. The Android smart phone’s worldwide market share is only at 3.9%. And smart phones occupy about only 20% of the overall worldwide wireless phone market. The market is large enough to accommodate a lot of successful companies. Look at Apple, its share of the worldwide PC market is less than 8%, and yet it has been this way for the past 15 to 20 years.
Palm is arguably the most innovative company in the smartphone market, and its award winning webOS operating system is a stunning accomplishment. I like Palm and I like Google, and Google’s Android will make it even as Palm succeeds. This is a good thing for all consumers. But it surprises me, having been in the PC industry for 30 years, to see people holding passionate views about Palm’s ability to succeed in the smartphone market, and make absolutely no effort to spend enough time to study the available data. I don’t just comment on Palm, I have own the Palm Pre for close to 9 months, and so I appreciate its innovations; but I have also studied a lot of information on the web about Palm, and so I am more informed than most people. Most people who to reply to my post never make any attempt to educate me; they never use data to backup their views. But I understand and know that it takes discipline and effort to do research.
My nephew's iPhone died 3 times, two were brand new and one was refurbished. If I buy a new product that is defective and it dies, but the replacement is a refurbished unit that keeps dying, then that is an indication that the people doing the repair are not qualified. After three incidents, I would demand a new unit, it is that simple. Sorry to hear about your problems.
@remella I think the Droid has terrible build quality. My friend has had so many issues with it: battery cover that won't stay on; physical keyboard lettering rubbing away, plus many programming issues: too easy to toggle on/off undesired features.
I think it's a "mess" compared to my iPhone. The Droid Eris is a much more pleasant user experience, but personally, I'm sticking with my iPhone. It trumps them all between the easy of use, smooth operation, and most of all 100% and easy back-up via iTunes.
I tried, but I just can't get into Android. It's so "beta" in my view.
The whole line-up consists of the $60 Amps in-ears and $100 Tracks on-ear headphones, which both also come in slightly souped-up and pricier HD variations at $100 and $130, respectively.
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I'm a hair away from pulling the trigger on a Pre Plus, because I need a new phone now.
@outphase84 cdma N1 cleared FCC. Wait.
@outphase84
I'm in the exact same boat. Why must they make us wait!?!
@alphabuild
Yeah I nearly wet myself when I saw that. And I'm due for an upgrade too!
@outphase84 you can't be Palm Pre desperate. lol. The N1 will be here soon enough!
@outphase84 Do it! Palm ain't goin' nowhere!
@outphase84 I'd go for it, I love mine. And I love that it gets updated with new, enhanced features all the time.
@outphase84 Get the Droid, it's a better phone anyways. And it's available on Verizon RIGHT NOW!
@outphase84 Im in the same exact boat. Anyone have an opinion about this? I'm really diggin' the Palm Pre, I like the form-factor more than the N1 and the Droid. Is the Pre Plus vastly inferior to the Moto Droid and N1, or can I get the Pre Plus and not really lose out of too much?
@Giantenemycrab The biggest drawback is the relatively limited app catalog selection compared to android. The Pre also has a smaller screen, but other than that, no reason to hold back on it.
@outphase84
Droooooiiid
@outphase84 Thanks Outphase. I really think that I will make the plunge into webOS.
@danielstanard
I agree. I have used all three phones too, if only briefly. I use Droid now and it is definitely the winner.
@schammy BWAHAHAHAHAHAA
@Giantenemycrab,
Palm Pre is the only smartphone to offer Flash 10.0!
My Palm Pre has been rock-solid. Plus it comes with a 1 year warranty. I bought two Palm Pre phones for my family back in June 2009. Both phones have been extremely reliable. I use my phone quite a lot, about a few hours each day - mostly listening to recordings and reading. The battery lasts me the whole day; and last even longer – about two days, when I use it moderately.
I bought the Palm Pre which comes with 256MB RAM (i.e. memory) and 8GB of storage. The Palm Pre Plus has an even more solid construction, and you get 512MB of memory and 16GB of storage. You also get the Touchstone back-cover which allows you to charge your phone wirelessly.
With the Palm Pre, you also get Palm’s innovative webOS smartphone operating system, currently the best in the smartphone market – it is intuitive, powerful, and fun-to-use. Ever since its launch in June 2009, Palm has released about 10 updates to webOS. The latest version is webOS 1.4 which became available today. This update makes the Palm Pre the first smartphone to run Adobe’s Flash 10.0. Flash 10.0 works beautifully with webOS; just start typing on your phone and the Palm Pre will automatically search the web. The Palm Pre runs YouTube videos natively using Flash 10.0, without having to launch a special application.
The Palm Pre Plus with webOS supports the OpenGL 3D graphics library to perform hardware acceleration of 3D graphics. The biggest gaming companies like Electronics Arts (EA) have released their top 3D games like “Need for Speed” and “Sims City” for the Palm Pre. In fact, the Palm Pre Plus is so powerful that it was demonstrated recently to run 50 applications simultaneously (i.e. multitasking) while also running the 3D game “Need for Speed” at full acceleration!
Battery life is also very good for a smartphone. I can listen to music for hours, browse the Internet, and my phone still lasts the whole day. With moderate usage, the phone’s battery lasts for about two days. When the phone is not in use, the battery hardly drains, so it can hold its charge for many days.
The Palm Pre Plus feels solid. When you slide to close the keyboard, it locks into place. I also like the keyboard. I have medium size hands and I can regularly type about three lines before hitting the wrong key. The keyboard also has tactile feedback so when you press on the keys, you can feel the click when it makes contact. I recommend this phone.
@danielstanard I still do not get the tons of apps statement. yea tons of apps that do the same thing and none which do what i want. All i would add is an optical trackpad. the ball is dated.
@Thinker
Claiming the touchstone is real wireless charging is a fallacy. It still needs to be touching the dock thing and that my friend has wires. By this logic my nexus 1 dock is wirelessly charging my nexus 1.
Can't wait for witricity to release some consumer products... then we will have true wireless charging.
@danielstanard
I can't help but think that sounds like either a Palm employee speaking or a direct copy and paste from the Palm Pre's press page.
@knightrogen2
haha! I was thinking the same thing as I was reading that. "wow am I reading a brochure or is this a real comment...."
@outphase84 Pre Plus is solid. I have a Droid and a Pre. My only beef with the pre is the limited apps. But as a phone, it's very nice. Small, easy to type on, and don't let the smaller display fool you... it's nice and web surfing is still very enjoyable on it. i'd like to see more mainstream apps on it like Android is starting to get. Question is, with low sales volume, will that ever happen?
@Thinker
Nice 5 paragraph essay...
You managed to sound like an 8th grader and a Palm employee all at once
@Thinker And you get an OS that *still* doesn't have a strong following. And btw, hardcore users and zealots do NOT equal a successful following; I'm a former WinMo user and current Android (G1/Nexus One) fan, so I'm familiar with this problem. :-)
@Thinker I'm glad your Pre has been problem free, but you need to stop attacking people who voice opinions about their bad experiences. The Pre is a good phone, but being a jerk and denying hardware issues is just insane. You attacked me on another story and I ignored it.
I'm calling you out this time. I did NOT drive my Pre hardware. Each time I had the device replaced, a random hardware component changed. I mean from crying out loud, I kept it protected in a $40 case from Seidio. The device wasn't being abused.
So to clarify, I had my device replaced for the following reasons (each with its own video, complaining about the problem):
1) Keyboard died. Belly up, would not respond to any input, and the Sprint service techs verified the ribbon wasn't bad.
2) Camera hardware died. It would no longer activate, period, even after the Sprint tech tried webosdoctor-ing the device back to factory.
3) Device would not charge, even with new battery. Charging door was still intact, and the charging pin was not busted. Device had to be replaced
4) Keyboard died on number 4. This one was different. You would type long just fine and all of a sudden, the device would start repeating the last inputted character. Pulling the battery and rebooting the phone didn't work. As soon as the OS came back up, random characters would appear across synergy search in repeat.
5) Lastly, the last Palm Pre was another episode of camera hardware failure.
You need to keep in mind that each Palm Pre was replaced with a refurbished unit. To say that I didn't love my Pre or that I was just abusing it is just being childish. I mean, why the hell did you think I had gone to the Pre in the first place? It offered an iPhone-like experience on a carrier with better service and pricing plans in my area. At the end of the day though, I got sick of replacing my unit every two months or so.
Really, I'm happy for you and your Pres. webOS is amazing. I miss my card-based multitasking and rapid google searching via synergy.
Here's to hoping that Palm's next webOS device is a slate-style device w/o hardware issues.
@frits1te,
You must not have finished high school to come to such a conclusion.
@Student Driver,
Nice name, but let us reason together. webOS was released approximately 9 months ago, and has already sold 1.5 million copies (mostly at Sprint the third largest carrier). webOS already has 2,000 applications in the App Catalog, its application store. Where were Android sales 9 months after it was released? And how many carriers and countries was Android sold at? Android was released close to one year before the Palm Pre was released in June 6, 2009. It is not fair to compare the two without doing comparative analysis. I try not to express strong views or opinions about things I am unsure of; this allows me to stay objective. Most people base their opinions on assumptions, and reach a point where they cannot make clear distinctions between fiction and reality. I make every attempt to keep myself intellectually honest. I love the truth!
Palm is currently in fewer than 10 countries, and in its first 8 months, the Palm Pre was being sold at only one carrier in the US – Sprint, a relatively small carrier (that is in third place behind Verizon and AT&T) in terms of customers. Palm’s competitors have distributions in over 180 countries (though it is possible that Android is not in all of those countries). But pound for pound, it is quite likely that the Palm Pre has performed better than Android did 9 months after it was released. Palm’s potential is in increasing its distribution worldwide quite rapidly this year. The Android smart phone’s worldwide market share is only at 3.9%. And smart phones occupy about only 20% of the overall worldwide wireless phone market. The market is large enough to accommodate a lot of successful companies. Look at Apple, its share of the worldwide PC market is less than 8%, and yet it has been this way for the past 15 to 20 years.
Palm is arguably the most innovative company in the smartphone market, and its award winning webOS operating system is a stunning accomplishment. I like Palm and I like Google, and Google’s Android will make it even as Palm succeeds. This is a good thing for all consumers. But it surprises me, having been in the PC industry for 30 years, to see people holding passionate views about Palm’s ability to succeed in the smartphone market, and make absolutely no effort to spend enough time to study the available data. I don’t just comment on Palm, I have own the Palm Pre for close to 9 months, and so I appreciate its innovations; but I have also studied a lot of information on the web about Palm, and so I am more informed than most people. Most people who to reply to my post never make any attempt to educate me; they never use data to backup their views. But I understand and know that it takes discipline and effort to do research.
@mpeters13,
My nephew's iPhone died 3 times, two were brand new and one was refurbished. If I buy a new product that is defective and it dies, but the replacement is a refurbished unit that keeps dying, then that is an indication that the people doing the repair are not qualified. After three incidents, I would demand a new unit, it is that simple. Sorry to hear about your problems.
@remella I think the Droid has terrible build quality. My friend has had so many issues with it: battery cover that won't stay on; physical keyboard lettering rubbing away, plus many programming issues: too easy to toggle on/off undesired features.
I think it's a "mess" compared to my iPhone. The Droid Eris is a much more pleasant user experience, but personally, I'm sticking with my iPhone. It trumps them all between the easy of use, smooth operation, and most of all 100% and easy back-up via iTunes.
I tried, but I just can't get into Android. It's so "beta" in my view.
@darex
... as is AT&T's network... in my view ;)