Well well. We'd always suspected that the
JooJoo tablet was hiding something extra to
run HD video and Flash, and it's just hit the FCC with full documentation and a teardown confirming that there's an NVIDIA Ion GPU paired with an Atom N270 packed inside. We're also seeing a 3G card in there, although it's unclear whether it'll be active or installed at launch --
we've been told the 3G version won't be ready until sometime later this year, but things have been
changing fast, so that may be in flux as well. There's also a picture showing it running Windows, but we're assuming that's just for testing purposes -- we'd also bet it'd be an easy little hack. But back to Ion for a second: our
experience with first-gen Ion netbooks has been one of decreased performance and drastically reduced battery life, so we're very curious to see how the JooJoo holds up compared to modern netbooks running Intel's Pine Trail chips and NVIDIA's Optimus-based Ion 2. We'll see -- it's supposed to ship in just a few weeks. Two more pics after the break.
P.S.- Oh, and Fusion Garage got back to us yesterday with a list of supported local video formats, and it's pretty decent: AVI, MPEG-4, MOV, WMV and WMA, FLV (Flash Video), VOB, OGG, OGM and OGV, MKV (Mastroska), DiVX and XViD. We'll see how the battery holds up, though -- our very own Joanna Stern
predicts a best case of 3.5 hours with WiFi on and a video playback time of two hours.
posted March 11th 2010 3:07PM
@MrArmageddon
Those codec stats just sold me. Now if only android would get onboard with that kind of support.
@reiththestud
That's for sure. Android codec support is for crap.
Haven't seen too many of these new tablets with cooling fans. Or is it just me?
@NYNY
N270 + 9400M = fan
"video playback time of two hours"
Yuck
Dear Engadget,
Can you please include the FCC ID of the product in question whenever you post these found-in-the-FCC website related articles. The OET search page is craptastic, and with a billion wireless products being release every day it's hard to find a specific one.
Thank you
@shishi The FCC listing is linked -- both to the image and at the Source identifier at the bottom of the post.
@Nilay Patel
Got it. Thank you.
It's interesting to note that because the JooJoo is a composite device for regulatory purposes, its label lists all involved FCC IDs:
FCC ID: QISEM7700W (GSM/GPRS module)
FCC ID: TX2-RTL8191SE (Wi-Fi)
FCC ID: TLZ-BT253 (Bluetooth)
But just remember, because it doesn't have an e-ink screen, your eyes will explode and you'll go blind if you actually look at it. I'm dead serious. Ask LAY or any of the other Apple/iPad haters, they'll tell you the same thing.
And there's no possibility that they could be wrong, so take it as absolute fact. You will go blind if you look at the JooJoo screen.
@Jack
Lack of e-ink just makes the iPad a bad e-reader.
Lots of other things make it a bad product.
But, you already knew that.
@jon
No, see, you don't get it. The JooJoo doesn't have an e-ink display. That means, according to trusted sources we'll just call "Apple hating idiots", your eyes will explode and melt out of your head if you look at the screen for too long.
And these sources are dead serious about this. Since they seem to be so concerned for everybody's optical safety and showing it by commenting in every single iPad related thread about how the screen will destroy your face, I thought I should do the same thing here.
You know, since for some reason those sources don't feel the same compulsion to warn people about the dangers of color LCD screens on tablets other than the iPad, even though the same danger exists. Huh. I wonder why that is.
And as far as the iPad being a bad product, well, I'm sure that when it sells into the millions you'll look back on this and say "Boy, I sure am worse than Apple at judging the marketplace for tablets. Or phones, or PMPs."
Or not. Some people never learn. Maybe you're one of them.
@Jack
"But just remember, because it doesn't have an e-ink screen, your eyes will explode and you'll go blind if you actually look at it. I'm dead serious. Ask LAY or any of the other Apple/iPad haters, they'll tell you the same thing."
Uh, you liar, I said eyestrain. And it was in context of reading books on it.
And I will say it for this device too.
Try harder next time to not be such a JooJoo "hater".
@Jack
I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you with your profile set to private, troll.
All the boy bands and pop tarts from the nineties sold millions of albums, that didn't stop their music from being bad.
Just because people like you will buy this, doesn't make it a good product.
@Jack
OK, here's one since you like turn about and fair play.
I'll pretend to be shocked if you don't answer.
Why is it that when the iPod outsells all other mp3 players, or when the iPhone moves into 3rd place in smart phones, it's because Apple is the better company, and its' products are simply superior.
However when Windows outsells OSX 10 to 1 it's because people aren't smart enough to know better, and when Windows 7 becomes the fastest selling OS in history, it's because Vista is so terrible that people had to upgrade, even though 7 isn't any better.
But I guess setting your profile to private makes it easier to be a hypocrite.
@Atkins
I tried a witty rejoinder, but the comment system didn't think it was funny, so I'll just say:
Wow, you are ignorant.
@Atkins
OK, I'll throw you a bone.
Learn what a word means before you try to argue its' usage.
I called you ignorant, because you don't know what "outsell" means.
You don't understand my comment because you don't know what you're talking about.
Go back to school, and we'll pick this up in a few years.
Well, at least Engadget is getting a hold of them. I have been trying for a few weeks and still no luck to get some kind of status on my order cancellation....
Looks like she is running Vista in that picture.
Like others have said if this had Win 7 I'd pick one up.
mkv support? Sign me up!
@Sponge I like this too.
but not for only 2 hours
Why anyone would bother with an Atom for a non-Windows device is beyond me.
@obarthelemy
maybe because it beats anything ARM offers, performance wise. Just a thought.
@fel Except I'm not sure that's true. If they can put Flash on a 1GHz Tegra device, why couldn't they do it here? And if they're not going to put a real OS on it, then why pay all the extra money and power and weight for an Atom/Ion? You could make do with a lot less, e.g. a Tegra or an Atom with a PowerVR core. Would still be adequate for simple games, which is all you're going to get out of the Atom anyway...
So much fail in such a little package. Who in their right mind would want to run Win7 on a JooJoo?
Add the fact that the name makes the iPad sound good.
Do we know how much RAM it has?
@wupolo
Was wondering myself....nothing in the FCC docs.
@Jeff
Hi Jeff,
What's the FCC ID?
thnx
Not exactly a neat and tidy internal view... Looks like a lot of connectors and wires and dangly bits ready to shake loose for a portable device.
The thing that'll make or break this device is the user experience.
If it's a lag-fest, then they can call in the receivers now, lol.
Why the heck did they make the microphone and headphone jacks separate?
When you can do the headphone and mic all in one 3.5mm jack.
Just seems like a waste of space and uglies up the pad when you have a bunch of wire hanging off it.
Got to say it's getting better by the minute, if they continue to update this tablet before lunch, it'll be a sucess as long as the price is right.
I wonder if the RAM and internal storage can be upgraded? The slot in the bottom right looks like RAM. 4GB internal storage doesn't leave much room to install another OS.
First to Hackintosh this, wins.
@lmwong
Man that would go up Apple's ass if someone does.
@lmwong
JKK will take care of that
do want
2 hours biggesque fail.
bigtime fail
If you look in the upper right, it seems to have the same type of SSD as the Mini 9.
Might be able to throw a RunCore in there and have a decent tablet -
http://www.mydigitaldiscount.com/ProductDetail.jsp?LISTID=800008DE-1224564428
@ebob9 Agreed. Looks exactly like the 5mm Dell Mini 9 SSD. A PATA over mini-PCIe connector.
And that thing in the upper middle is obviously the wireless card, so you can swap that out to in case you want to for some reason. Say to put a 3G interface in instead (one of the ones with the SIM built in, though I think jkk said they were going to stop making those).
I'm not sure what that card in the middle bottom is. Obviously its got antenna hookups. The 3G interface? Anybody know?
Now if it had Windows 7 (which probably could be an easy hack) but have more than 4 hours battery life I would be all over this.
2 hours of video and 3 with wifi is just laughable IMO.
I really want this to succeed though
This would be amazing for touch-screen netbook hacks.
Someone needs to start distroing the HD Image for other NetBooks.
HACKINTOSH GOGOGOGO
Maybe this is their strategery FTW:
Release the most easily hackable tablet ever.
Windows 7? Do it to it.
OS X? Get you some.
Linux? Why are you still standing there?
Upgrades to memory and storage look doable, too.
@CBONE
That's my hope, my biggest concern is lack of "good" touchscreen drivers for anything other than the default OS.
@CBONE
Ahh. JUst like the Netbook that started it all. The EEE PC 701. Make sense.
@cherryboom
I'm honestly surprised that you spelled scam correctly.
Thanks!
This thing has gone from "No way" to "Way" with a peek under the hood.
Add an bigger SSD, a Broadcom Crystal HD a little Win7 and Ubuntu and I'm streaming Netflix or Hava on the sofa while my wife watches her reality TV shows about midgets with 19 kids or somesuch.
@Tommy Udo
doesnt need the Broadcom chip, its got Ion. That would just make it needlessly more expensive.
i wonder how long the battery will last. plus i would have prefered some ARM action to avoid the fan ... thats why i actually like the iPad, it´ll be for sure noiseless...
@theswiss Agreed, if they aren't putting a full OS on it, I don't get the Atom/Ion pairing. A Tegra would have been a much better choice.
That said, it does look like a good hack machine, if you want to buy one and THEN spend a bunch of money upgrading parts and installing another OS. There won't be enough people doing that to keep them alive, but in the interim some hackers will get exactly what they want without having to learn how to do injection molding...
So many to choose from! HP Slate, JooJoo, Dell Mini, or other forthcoming Windows 7 tablets/slates
@fourzero40 /Android