Now where are all of the people that shout and scream whenever Microsoft does something with IE that makes them have to bend over backwards to accommodate them?
How about the internet stop acting like a thing to be pulled and pushed to accommodate some companies product, and actually force them to fit their products to it so that it stays universally accessible?
Ehhh, fanboy would trust anything Apple said to be true and good. HTML5 can't replace interactive website. People are just numb when it comes to real technology.
If you only knew what you are talking about. Flash is not a technology of a future, HTML5 is superior. Most of people like you leave pointless comments without doing their research.
Flash crashes many browsers, it uses battery life quickly, burdens CPU and Apple knows that and refuses to use it. That is not going backwards, instead its moving forward towards superior technologies.
@majipoor hmmm the standard is not yet fully defined it is still in the "last call" state. changes can still happen.
also, for video, nothing has been defined as the Default. H.264 as promoted by Apple is patented and will require a license. so check out your info before you give us a "apple promoting an open standard against propietary ones"
"How about the internet stop acting like a thing to be pulled and pushed to accommodate some companies product (Adobe Flash), and actually force them to fit their products to it so that it stays universally accessible? (HTML 5)"
@LAY As always LAY gets involved and talks utter nonsense, when will you learn to keep your mouth shut, you seem to be continually embarrassing yourself.
And? The standard is not finalized yet: does it prevent it from being a standard? Do you know that all major browsers are already embracing HTML5? Even Microsoft with IE9!
You are true about the codec: it is not part of the standard. The alternative to H.264 is Ogg Theora if I'm not wrong. Apple is pushing H.264 and Google has already chosen H.264 for YouTubes. I don't know all the details, but H.264 is license free for the end user and there are many open points concerning licensing Ogg Theora as well An H.264 seems superior from a technical point of view.
Anyway: Apple has to choose as Google and they both choose H.264. What is the problem? What should Apple had done?
Nope. I bet that unlike you, LAY isn't a blind fanboy and/or hater.
The fact that Apple is ignoring a widely used codec and supporting a still developing codec tells me one thing about Apple: screw the user, we'll do what we want.
Better yet, people seem to like it. Whatever. I don't. Neither does LAY. Fine. I don't care what you do with your money. But what I can't stand is your smug little attitude. I don't hate Apple. I hate YOU and your "Apple is the best!" attitude.
The (unconfirmed?) fact that the iPad is selling well only means that there is now more competition. Yay for the end user!
This is why I currently have Android. Open platform, all the features I want, and nobody telling me what I can't have.
As many others have said to you, you seem to confuse Apple haters with mere technology lovers. They criticize Apple because they don't have the features they want, and you automatically assume they hate Apple and love Microsoft. Then they go on to criticize Windows Phone 7, and suddenly your little mind explodes.
God LAY I just have to admit that this backlash against you is so delicious and well earned on your part.
You Apple Hater you. Now everyone sees you for the hypocritcal jerk that you are.
Flash is a hot mess and so are you. The world will be better off once we're rid of the holier than thous like you and the rest of the Apple haters club.
@Downpour, I've said it before and I'll say it again - the list of things Flash can do that HTML5 can't do even on paper, not to mention real-world application, is too long to fit this pages. In short, HTML5 today offers less than Flash had almost 10 years ago. And here is what Flash can do today, and what HTML5+JS cannot in its wildest dreams and engine night-builds: Binary TCP/IP sockets. P2P UDP connections. Strict-typed, JIT executed language at a very small footprint. Vector-based animations (real, not svg+css replacement). VP6 AND H.264 codecs (+speex, +several other audio codecs). Live video chat and/or access to microphone and webcam. Works at the moment on several platforms in all popular browsers. Renders the same where ever you see it.
@darksharpie, Flash is not closed technology, actually 95% of it is not just open, but open-sourced as well. All you need is to invest some money to buy-out expensive H.264 and similar licenses, and even more money in developing your own take on the Flash player, and then some more to convince people to install your instead of Adobe's player. Apart from 3rd party proprietary technologies used in the Flash player (mainly codecs) that Adobe cannot set open, everything else is open, and most of it open-source...
@m509272 Whatever the morality of it, if your platform popular enough people will do change their practices to accommodate it. Good commercial sense, nothing more, nothing less.
@majipoor Nice way to put it but completely biased. Apple is not promoting HTML5, Apple is just avoiding the subject of Mac hardware not being able to run Flash content. Being unable to fix that issue then they prefer to create a lie (call it marketing) saying they wont support it because its not in their interest. And they can pull that out because they have the fanatism of their followers that will justify anything they say... just like not being able to watch a blu ray disc... or plugging their monitors to any other output... Personally I prefer buying things that I can configure anyway I want, not being limited by what some company says. I like my freedom.
I totally agree with everything your saying but in terms of the "average" user, and how long HTML5 support might take to implement, flash, for now might not be a superior technology... but in terms of user notoriety it is. It will take a very long time for websites (as well as people) to switch over to HTML5. It definitely wont happen within the life of the first gen iPad, and it might not even happen with the second gen iPad. As much as it is a moot point now, Apple not adding flash support to the iPad is just lazy, there is no denying it, or making excuses for it.
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Disappointing to see that these sites are bending over backwards due to Apple's arrogance.
@m509272
You mean due to apple's importance.
@captnred
No, arrogance.
Now where are all of the people that shout and scream whenever Microsoft does something with IE that makes them have to bend over backwards to accommodate them?
How about the internet stop acting like a thing to be pulled and pushed to accommodate some companies product, and actually force them to fit their products to it so that it stays universally accessible?
@m509272
more like arrogance and importance
@captnred nope - definitely arrogance
@m509272
Ehhh, fanboy would trust anything Apple said to be true and good. HTML5 can't replace interactive website. People are just numb when it comes to real technology.
@LAY The internet is a lie.
@captnred
Yes, they are the most important toy maker in the world.
@cdf74dc9
..aren't all websites interactive? ;0)
Actually there isn't really anything in flash that you can't do with HTML5, I don't think many people realise what it's capable of yet.
I use Adobe software every day at work, but I will be very happy when they loose their stranglehold on the internet and creative apps in general.
@LAY But isn't the exclusive use of Adobe's Flash also "forcing" everyone to use a closed plugin to view content?
@LAY
You mean Apple should not promote an open standard against a proprietary solution?
It is not arrogance, it is self-confidence.
@m509272
If you only knew what you are talking about. Flash is not a technology of a future, HTML5 is superior. Most of people like you leave pointless comments without doing their research.
Flash crashes many browsers, it uses battery life quickly, burdens CPU and Apple knows that and refuses to use it. That is not going backwards, instead its moving forward towards superior technologies.
@wraith404 Santa is gonna pissed with you!
@majipoor
hmmm the standard is not yet fully defined
it is still in the "last call" state.
changes can still happen.
also, for video, nothing has been defined as the Default.
H.264 as promoted by Apple is patented and will require a license.
so check out your info before you give us a "apple promoting an open standard against propietary ones"
@LAY
"How about the internet stop acting like a thing to be pulled and pushed to accommodate some companies product (Adobe Flash), and actually force them to fit their products to it so that it stays universally accessible? (HTML 5)"
agreed.
@LAY As always LAY gets involved and talks utter nonsense, when will you learn to keep your mouth shut, you seem to be continually embarrassing yourself.
@D1Only1
And? The standard is not finalized yet: does it prevent it from being a standard? Do you know that all major browsers are already embracing HTML5? Even Microsoft with IE9!
You are true about the codec: it is not part of the standard. The alternative to H.264 is Ogg Theora if I'm not wrong. Apple is pushing H.264 and Google has already chosen H.264 for YouTubes. I don't know all the details, but H.264 is license free for the end user and there are many open points concerning licensing Ogg Theora as well An H.264 seems superior from a technical point of view.
Anyway: Apple has to choose as Google and they both choose H.264. What is the problem? What should Apple had done?
And Flash is definitively proprietary.
What is exactly your point then?
@m509272 Fanboys will listen to whatever Jobs say. They'll fall in line for Jobs' little birdie.
@Mack Stone
Nope. I bet that unlike you, LAY isn't a blind fanboy and/or hater.
The fact that Apple is ignoring a widely used codec and supporting a still developing codec tells me one thing about Apple: screw the user, we'll do what we want.
Better yet, people seem to like it. Whatever. I don't. Neither does LAY. Fine. I don't care what you do with your money. But what I can't stand is your smug little attitude. I don't hate Apple. I hate YOU and your "Apple is the best!" attitude.
The (unconfirmed?) fact that the iPad is selling well only means that there is now more competition. Yay for the end user!
This is why I currently have Android. Open platform, all the features I want, and nobody telling me what I can't have.
As many others have said to you, you seem to confuse Apple haters with mere technology lovers. They criticize Apple because they don't have the features they want, and you automatically assume they hate Apple and love Microsoft. Then they go on to criticize Windows Phone 7, and suddenly your little mind explodes.
@LAY
God LAY I just have to admit that this backlash against you is so delicious and well earned on your part.
You Apple Hater you. Now everyone sees you for the hypocritcal jerk that you are.
Flash is a hot mess and so are you. The world will be better off once we're rid of the holier than thous like you and the rest of the Apple haters club.
@Downpour, I've said it before and I'll say it again - the list of things Flash can do that HTML5 can't do even on paper, not to mention real-world application, is too long to fit this pages. In short, HTML5 today offers less than Flash had almost 10 years ago. And here is what Flash can do today, and what HTML5+JS cannot in its wildest dreams and engine night-builds: Binary TCP/IP sockets. P2P UDP connections. Strict-typed, JIT executed language at a very small footprint. Vector-based animations (real, not svg+css replacement). VP6 AND H.264 codecs (+speex, +several other audio codecs). Live video chat and/or access to microphone and webcam. Works at the moment on several platforms in all popular browsers. Renders the same where ever you see it.
@darksharpie, Flash is not closed technology, actually 95% of it is not just open, but open-sourced as well. All you need is to invest some money to buy-out expensive H.264 and similar licenses, and even more money in developing your own take on the Flash player, and then some more to convince people to install your instead of Adobe's player. Apart from 3rd party proprietary technologies used in the Flash player (mainly codecs) that Adobe cannot set open, everything else is open, and most of it open-source...
@LAY
IE?
MS has been anti-standards from day one. It's their own stupid fault. That's why people hate it.
Chrome + Webkit all the way baby.
@m509272 Whatever the morality of it, if your platform popular enough people will do change their practices to accommodate it. Good commercial sense, nothing more, nothing less.
@majipoor
Nice way to put it but completely biased.
Apple is not promoting HTML5, Apple is just avoiding the subject of Mac hardware not being able to run Flash content. Being unable to fix that issue then they prefer to create a lie (call it marketing) saying they wont support it because its not in their interest.
And they can pull that out because they have the fanatism of their followers that will justify anything they say... just like not being able to watch a blu ray disc... or plugging their monitors to any other output...
Personally I prefer buying things that I can configure anyway I want, not being limited by what some company says. I like my freedom.
@jkudlacz
I totally agree with everything your saying but in terms of the "average" user, and how long HTML5 support might take to implement, flash, for now might not be a superior technology... but in terms of user notoriety it is. It will take a very long time for websites (as well as people) to switch over to HTML5. It definitely wont happen within the life of the first gen iPad, and it might not even happen with the second gen iPad. As much as it is a moot point now, Apple not adding flash support to the iPad is just lazy, there is no denying it, or making excuses for it.