The Quadro cards are the biggest waste of money - anyone that thinks they are any good simply because they are expensive has a lot to learn about graphic cards.
@69camaroSS Ahh, My favorite pet-peeve... I've met with the nVidia processional graphics experts and they've NEVER proven the advantage of the Quadro series over any routine video card. Programs like 3DS MAX (and I think Maya) use DirectX for their GUI acceleration, not OpenGL. I've got a friend who has this card and it doesn't do squat! The only place the Quadros count is the forced lockout of the gamer cards from Cuda... but that'll change when Dx11 is fully supported by other graphics programs utilizing the GPU Compute functions. But if you just want to throw away your money to show off (shades of SGI's later years), keep buying these "speciallty" cards.
You CLEARLY have no clue what you are talking about. Any professional that has even a remote knowledge about computer hardware knows that "gaming" (for lack of a better word) cards will work just as well - or better - in any CAD, 3D modeling, or video application. These "pro" cards are (for the most part) rebranded gaming cards with slightly tweaked drivers and maybe a little bit more cooling - however none of this even remotely warrants the absence prices that ATi and Nvidia charge for them. They also tend to be at least one generation behind their gaming-card cousins which in term give them less advanced features... and yet still usually cost 2X (or more) than a high-end gaming card.
Only idiots that equate a high price to performance think that Quadro cards are worth a damn. These cards are specifically aimed at the clueless IT people that don't know jack about graphics and order these over-priced cards so they can label a computer a "workstation."
@Hazdaz So what you're saying is, the 10X performance boost I see when I use the right card for my work is what, the work of the devil? Nvidia writes their drivers to specifically work with my software/hardware configurations. If your friends don't see a significant performance boost, they're doing it wrong. They're not using the right software, they're not configuring it correctly, so on and so on. That's that. If I need tweaks, they make tweaks... And it runs even better. If I have to pay an extra $1500 and not have the Co. hire on another IT guy with a d-bag attitude, I will GLADLY pay that, and then some. You have no idea how my industry works. There's a very good reason they seem "Behind" the gaming industry with drivers and whatnot. That is because they need to be sure it works, and doesn't crash. That sure as hell isn't the case in the consumer realm. Throw it at the wall like spaghetti, see if it sticks. Some shows I've worked on will run in excess of $18,000 per hour in post production costs. If one little card goes down and holds up production, who gives a rat's ass if it only cost $500. We pay money to make sure things work, and work smoothly. If it doesn't work, one of their support staff had better be finding out why. Every single company I've worked with who makes expensive hardware does so. Avid, Autodesk, etc. They all tend to do that.
@AniMill 3dsMax uses both OpenGl and DirectX. Most of the other compositing software I use is optimized for OpenGl, and DirectX isn't even an option. So wherever you got your info, they're doing it wrong
It gets a little old trying to explain to people that don't have the foggiest idea about this stuff that a $300 "gaming" card is going to be as fast or faster than a $3000 "pro" card.
In years past, there was a MUCH bigger performance different between pro and gaming cards - the drivers that pro cards had gave you real, honest to goodness performance gains. I remember getting like 2X the viewport performance with an old-school FX1100 card while running MAXtreme drivers. 2 or 3 releases later, and the performance difference was negligible... today, there is essentially no performance difference.
I so want to hear what software you run that runs a supposed 10X faster.
Cuz it sure as hell isn't CAD software. Nor is it DCC 3D modeling software. Video editing neither.
If you are seeing anything more than a negligible speed difference between a high-end "gaming" card and any "pro" card then it sure as hell isn't set up correctly.
@Hazdaz tell you what, you stay in your industry, I'll stay in mine... If you worked in my field, you'd know the driver and the support that comes with it is everything. Once you're done staring into the virtual IT mirror of self satisfaction, you'll notice I said it has a performance boost, not that it runs 10X faster. It has nothing to do with rendering, exporting, importing, etc. although the newer hardware does support much of that, I don't use that part of it. If you do what I do, you'd know what that means. It means my After Effects, Combustion and similar programs will create previews in the realm of 10X faster than a gaming card. No waiting 2 seconds to see what the garbage matte will do when I click from frame to frame. It also means less occurrences of a crash, because some dudes at Nvidia spent more time with the drivers than the dudes on the gaming side did. In my realm, that is insanely useful, and well worth the premium. I've sat two computers side by side and done the comparisons. My previews in every program I use, 3D, compositing, whatever else, can run that much faster, depending on how optimized the driver is for my software. The final product is exported to a render farm. The sooner I can see what the final product looks like, the sooner it's handed off. That is where these cards do their work, and why we use them. Go back to your snarky cubby hole and find another insult, because repeating the ones I've already used shows very little trolling initiative
@Hazdaz well that's a little better trolling, at least you didn't repeat what I said... The point is moot as what you failed to do is put forth even a remotely convincing argument that these cards are not worth the extra charge that's tacked on, which I can only reach the conclusion that you have no idea how they work.
Clearly, reading comprehension is not your forte... and neither is computer technology. You must have missed the part where I clearly stated that EVERY "pro" card is based on a "gaming" GPU but with slightly tweaked drivers and some extra cooling. Oh yeah, and maybe some "cool decals" to make people that don't know anything about computer hardware think that they are actually fast. "Oh look, racing stripes!"
:rolleyes:
Anyone in the industry that is more than just a button-pusher should learn a thing of two about the software and hardware that they run to do their job. Those people know that "pro" cards are a scam that offer no real speed benefit and a horrible price/performance ratio. There are countless stories on tons of forums and blogs across the internets of true professions retelling the same story - they too foolishly thought that they "needed" a pro card to run XYZ software. After dropping an obscene amount of money on said card, they found out that it runs their software no better or faster than someone else's $300 gaming card. But by all means, continue with your ignorance because the ridiculous profit-margins that Nvidia and ATi make off of people like you, help fund their research into faster GPUs that will be bought by people like me for a fraction of the price.
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The Quadro cards are the biggest waste of money - anyone that thinks they are any good simply because they are expensive has a lot to learn about graphic cards.
@Hazdaz anyone who hasn't used a Quadro card the way it was intended doesn't know anything about Quadro cards
@Hazdaz
Go back to your games!!! Quadros are optimized and make most 3-D rendering and video editting programs scream.
@69camaroSS Ahh, My favorite pet-peeve... I've met with the nVidia processional graphics experts and they've NEVER proven the advantage of the Quadro series over any routine video card. Programs like 3DS MAX (and I think Maya) use DirectX for their GUI acceleration, not OpenGL. I've got a friend who has this card and it doesn't do squat! The only place the Quadros count is the forced lockout of the gamer cards from Cuda... but that'll change when Dx11 is fully supported by other graphics programs utilizing the GPU Compute functions. But if you just want to throw away your money to show off (shades of SGI's later years), keep buying these "speciallty" cards.
@69camaroSS
You CLEARLY have no clue what you are talking about.
Any professional that has even a remote knowledge about computer hardware knows that "gaming" (for lack of a better word) cards will work just as well - or better - in any CAD, 3D modeling, or video application. These "pro" cards are (for the most part) rebranded gaming cards with slightly tweaked drivers and maybe a little bit more cooling - however none of this even remotely warrants the absence prices that ATi and Nvidia charge for them. They also tend to be at least one generation behind their gaming-card cousins which in term give them less advanced features... and yet still usually cost 2X (or more) than a high-end gaming card.
Only idiots that equate a high price to performance think that Quadro cards are worth a damn. These cards are specifically aimed at the clueless IT people that don't know jack about graphics and order these over-priced cards so they can label a computer a "workstation."
@Hazdaz So what you're saying is, the 10X performance boost I see when I use the right card for my work is what, the work of the devil? Nvidia writes their drivers to specifically work with my software/hardware configurations. If your friends don't see a significant performance boost, they're doing it wrong. They're not using the right software, they're not configuring it correctly, so on and so on. That's that. If I need tweaks, they make tweaks... And it runs even better. If I have to pay an extra $1500 and not have the Co. hire on another IT guy with a d-bag attitude, I will GLADLY pay that, and then some. You have no idea how my industry works. There's a very good reason they seem "Behind" the gaming industry with drivers and whatnot. That is because they need to be sure it works, and doesn't crash. That sure as hell isn't the case in the consumer realm. Throw it at the wall like spaghetti, see if it sticks. Some shows I've worked on will run in excess of $18,000 per hour in post production costs. If one little card goes down and holds up production, who gives a rat's ass if it only cost $500. We pay money to make sure things work, and work smoothly. If it doesn't work, one of their support staff had better be finding out why. Every single company I've worked with who makes expensive hardware does so. Avid, Autodesk, etc. They all tend to do that.
@AniMill 3dsMax uses both OpenGl and DirectX. Most of the other compositing software I use is optimized for OpenGl, and DirectX isn't even an option. So wherever you got your info, they're doing it wrong
@AniMill
It gets a little old trying to explain to people that don't have the foggiest idea about this stuff that a $300 "gaming" card is going to be as fast or faster than a $3000 "pro" card.
In years past, there was a MUCH bigger performance different between pro and gaming cards - the drivers that pro cards had gave you real, honest to goodness performance gains. I remember getting like 2X the viewport performance with an old-school FX1100 card while running MAXtreme drivers. 2 or 3 releases later, and the performance difference was negligible... today, there is essentially no performance difference.
@sydcinema
I so want to hear what software you run that runs a supposed 10X faster.
Cuz it sure as hell isn't CAD software. Nor is it DCC 3D modeling software. Video editing neither.
If you are seeing anything more than a negligible speed difference between a high-end "gaming" card and any "pro" card then it sure as hell isn't set up correctly.
You are doing it wrong.
@Hazdaz tell you what, you stay in your industry, I'll stay in mine... If you worked in my field, you'd know the driver and the support that comes with it is everything. Once you're done staring into the virtual IT mirror of self satisfaction, you'll notice I said it has a performance boost, not that it runs 10X faster. It has nothing to do with rendering, exporting, importing, etc. although the newer hardware does support much of that, I don't use that part of it. If you do what I do, you'd know what that means. It means my After Effects, Combustion and similar programs will create previews in the realm of 10X faster than a gaming card. No waiting 2 seconds to see what the garbage matte will do when I click from frame to frame. It also means less occurrences of a crash, because some dudes at Nvidia spent more time with the drivers than the dudes on the gaming side did. In my realm, that is insanely useful, and well worth the premium. I've sat two computers side by side and done the comparisons. My previews in every program I use, 3D, compositing, whatever else, can run that much faster, depending on how optimized the driver is for my software. The final product is exported to a render farm. The sooner I can see what the final product looks like, the sooner it's handed off. That is where these cards do their work, and why we use them. Go back to your snarky cubby hole and find another insult, because repeating the ones I've already used shows very little trolling initiative
@sydcinema
It's just flat out pathetic when people use money to cover their ignorance.
Very, very sad.
@Hazdaz well that's a little better trolling, at least you didn't repeat what I said... The point is moot as what you failed to do is put forth even a remotely convincing argument that these cards are not worth the extra charge that's tacked on, which I can only reach the conclusion that you have no idea how they work.
@sydcinema
Clearly, reading comprehension is not your forte... and neither is computer technology. You must have missed the part where I clearly stated that EVERY "pro" card is based on a "gaming" GPU but with slightly tweaked drivers and some extra cooling. Oh yeah, and maybe some "cool decals" to make people that don't know anything about computer hardware think that they are actually fast. "Oh look, racing stripes!"
:rolleyes:
Anyone in the industry that is more than just a button-pusher should learn a thing of two about the software and hardware that they run to do their job. Those people know that "pro" cards are a scam that offer no real speed benefit and a horrible price/performance ratio. There are countless stories on tons of forums and blogs across the internets of true professions retelling the same story - they too foolishly thought that they "needed" a pro card to run XYZ software. After dropping an obscene amount of money on said card, they found out that it runs their software no better or faster than someone else's $300 gaming card. But by all means, continue with your ignorance because the ridiculous profit-margins that Nvidia and ATi make off of people like you, help fund their research into faster GPUs that will be bought by people like me for a fraction of the price.
A fool and his money are soon parted.