@kspraydad The picture is pretty crappy quality. The iPhone screen is the best multitouch out there and among the best in resolution. No it doesnt look that bad in person.
@Beinss It's actually among the worst in resolution. The screen is very bad at angles. Very washed out. He wasn't talking about its multi-touch capabilities.
The iPhone has one of the best screens I've ever seen on a phone. Regardless of whether it's resolution is as nice as the Evo 4G or the Nexus One it hardly makes a difference.
@TheLondonExchange Oh, I didnt know you've witnessed an EVO 4G. And have you put a nexus ones screen next to an iphones? The AMOLED dominates, with amazing deep blacks and pretty colors.
@B3astofthe3ast did you ever try to look at amoled in the sunlight? one of the reasons i sold my nexus was because i couldn't read a thing in the sun. this is why i still prefer lcd over amoled.
I said even if it's not as nice as the nexus one's
I KNOW that the iPhone's resolution isn't as high as those other phones...
It did come out months before them after all right? I'd HOPE that these companies would at least have put a better screen (spec wise). Not that that has helped android sell any better...
My point is that regardless of screen resolution we're still dealing with small phones and it hardly makes that much of difference to me. And as I mentioned below the average consumer couldn't give two shits about specs...so it's all just a moot argument that the anti apple people use to justify not buying the iPhone.
You and I know both know you'll never buy an iPhone...umm okay that's fine. You're the one who's missing out. However don't delude yourself into thinking that you're better than me because you're not rocking the hottest phone on the market right now. You're not "emo cool" because you're anti apple. Only on engadget where all the trolls are will you be popular. In real life you represent a small fraction of haters.
@untrueparadox Honestly, Its impossible to read unless you turn up the brightness...I have no problems reading the screen with the brightness all the way up.
@TheLondonExchange Your point is moot because unlike your iphone, these phones dont have small screens. At 3.7 and 4.3 inches, the Droid, N1s, and EVOs screen truly show what a difference the extra pixels can make.
I don't hate apple, and I don't want the iphone simply because it doesn't fit my needs for having a phone that can be customized, can multitask, and handle messaging and email the way Android does. I got a G1 when it first came out, loved it, and I doubt I'll be switching to another platform anytime soon.
You and everyone else can enjoy your iphones for all I care, but don't come belittling our phones, especially in an area where they are clearly superior than the iphone.
Hi London...what is trollish about my question. I have honestly never picked up or looked at or used an iPhone. If the image is a bad one...that is all that needed to be said no?
@kspraydad If you want an unbiased opinion look else where than engadget. If you want the hater 's opinion, which will be highly/highest ranked due to the sheer amount of Microsoft fanboys and Apple haters, read the comment above. Usually pro Apple comments get down rated here so they are deemed "untrustworthy" or automatically deemed Apple lovers.
In conclusion, don't ask engadget commenters on any things Apple. Find a different site.
BTW. This may be down ranked again due to the amount of Microsoft fanboys not liking criticism an the fact that they THINK engadget is pro Apple. Which they are not. Which then they will talk about engadget supported by Apple or AOL or some other BS. My point? Don't ask engadget commenters for an unbiased opinion of Apple tech.
BTW- I love my iPhone. It's the best phone I've ever had. I wish youtube video was crisper but that's really my only complaint. I live in Ohio and have full reception throughout the city in which I live. I have used Android with and without the Sense UI and find it a lacking in both cases. I enjoy the simplicity of my iPhone and the ecosystem it employs. I appreciate the close ecosystem and appreciate the fact that it must be approved and makes me feel secure, even though it may not be;) I should also point out that I actually PAY for apps and don't have to steal/jailbreak to enjoy my iPhone. AGAIN- you can't listen to many of the commenters here. Geeks and tech lovers alike hold fast to the camp they support and it can get ugly. Just look at the iPhone for YOURSELF and see if YOU like it.
@kspraydad Quick answer the screen is great. Others might have better specs but in real life performance the iPhone dominates. There are lots of haters on both sides so don't listen to either side go and try all of them (no N1 at stores tho).
Don't compare specs between different OS's since it's a fools comparison. Even with a 1GHz snapdragon an Android phone barely competes with an iPhone 3GS @ 600 MHz. The first iPhones ran @ 412 MHz and the speed jump between them is huge in real life tests.
Btw there is a modified Android OS that blows the sox out of the Google version. It is not available in any current phone tho.
@B3astofthe3ast I don't hate Apple either. I also don't love it. Same goes for Android or Windows Phone. Honestly, I think most opinions on this site are completely juvenile - people "choose" sides and then become fanboys, bashing the other side. Myself, I make rational evaluations of products and then choose which one best fits my needs, like you. I've owned Palms (PalmOS as well as WinMo), HTC WinMo phones, whatever. Recently when I was deciding how to upgrade I was leaning towards Android, but unfortunately a work project involving developing an iPhone app made the decision for me.
Anyway, I've been pretty happy with the iPhone all in all and to make a long story short, you're wrong on most counts of why you wouldn't choose an iPhone. The iPhone can be customized to hell and back, either officially or through jailbreaking. It can also multitask (I'm not just talking about music and email, any app at all) through jailbreaking. Yes, it's true you do need to jailbreak to maximize the capabilities of the iPhone, but the exact people who clamor for this sort of control are the exact ones for whom jailbreaking is dead simple. As for "handle messaging and email", I'm not really sure where you're going with that one. What exact features are missing?
@tonicboy I realize jailbreaking opens many doors for iphone users, but as far as I can tell, its not as tweakable as Android, especially since my N1 is rooted and I can load a custom ROM, tweaked in every way to my liking at will.
I'm not fond of the iPhones "app grid"; I prefer androids custom screens where you place apps and widgets where your heart desires. I'm also fond of live wallpapers.
In terms of email, I haven't seen anything hold a candle to the Gmail experiance on Android, but that is to be expected.
@TheLondonExchange yeah I would have to disagree. After owning every iPhone generation and now having a nexus one there is a huge difference in screen quality. The iPhone isn't bad but it also doesn't hold a candle to the Droid N1, or the HD2.
@think before you react that's a great post and although I am now in a different "camp" than you are this is really the only way you can truelly find a phone that suits your needs. Don't take enadget comments seriously because you will never find the phone (or other gadget) that you really like. And if you do find a product that you like keep your options open and try out other products cause or you will never really appreciate your investment or u might even find something better. There is way to much fanboy/product bashing that goes on in the comments on sites like these.
I'd like to hear what kind of things you want to tweak. Not to doubt you but more for my own sake because in a year or so I'll be back on the market and I'll have to decide once again what phone is best for me. I'm making a mental list of everything I could possibly want to do with a smartphone so I can compare and contrast. So far, I haven't been able to find anything I wanted to do that I couldn't, and I'm a pretty geeky guy, as a web developer. After all, once you get past Apple's barriers, you're looking at a Unix-based mobile OS that has all sorts of untapped power.
You want widgets? Done. You want to change the grid layout? Done. You want to add a skin? Done. You want custom app icons? Done. You want to customize the lock screen? Done. You want multitasking and app switching? Done. You want to enable wifi-only apps for 3G? Done. You want tethering? Done. You want to enable your phone as a mass storage device? Done. You want a custom keyboard layout? Done. You want to customize the status bar info and layout? Done. Want to replace the default SMS app? Done.
Even though I don't use GMail, I would expect that the experience would indeed be best on Android, so you've got me there. But, that has nothing to do with iPhone OS, it's just that that is one of Google's family jewels and they'll keep the best for themselves.
Of course, after all that is said and done you'd still have to ask yourself why you would choose iPhone over Android and the short answer is... apps. Seriously, that is the one thing that would make it so hard for me to leave the Apple ecosystem. The amount of software available is staggering. I've been browsing the Android Market at AndroidZoom.com and really, it will be another year at least before they're competitive with Apple's App Store. Not to mention that the games suck on Android (Labyrinth is one of the top games, really?!). Oh, and 75% of apps are available for free, if you're the unscrupulous sort ;), and the paid ones are cheaper than their Android counterparts.
@tonicboy I do agree that the app selection on the iPhone easily bests Androids app selection, especially in the games, but it is slowly getting better. I also feel as though Android has more functionality out of box, with free navigation, google apps, etc.
As far as tweaking goes, there is so much you can play around with on a nexus one, especially if you hang around XDA-developers. Between all the custom ROMs and hacks you can do, as well as a plethora of options and settings, you can really make the phone exactly how you want. I know you can do that with an iphone, but there aren't different flavors of the iphones OS to play with, like Sense UI, MotoBlur, etc,
Honestly, I think the iPhone is a great platform for those with the knowhow to jailbreak and customize it. However, I'm far too accustomed to android to switch.
@The Advanced Kind the higher resolution wouldn't do much for me if I couldn't watch my iTunes movies and TV shows on it. It's the iTunes content that gives the iPhone its biggest advantage over phones with superior displays, processors (like Snapdragon), and higher resolution and AMOLED brightness.
@angermeans You know, you can buy a Ferrari with a sexy body and fast engine, then constantly tinker and tweak it to make it go faster, or buy a Honda Accord and just get in and drive it without worry, cause it'll get you there just as fast, because you're not having to stop and mess with it, Ive had my iPhone for a year now, and I know every morning when I wake up, it will too. To all those who want fast tweakable phones with super OMLED screens, there's nothing wrong with that, that's why we have choices. But I want to get in my car every morning and just drive to work without having to pop the hood.
@Mikeserena What you've said is why I like my Blackberry. Apps, for the most part, are meaningless to me save for those that involve my business activities; I'm not watching videos outside whatever is being streamed through YouTube or Sprint TV. I want a system that syncs reliably with Outlook, offers a great keyboard (I'm sometimes writing columns on the go from major events and occasionally writing op-eds for PR clients while on the road); and offers an easy experience. On that end, I don't blame iPhone fans for loving their phones (even though I'm not a fan of iTunes and its bloat and cannot stand the controlled nature of the Apple experience).
Android appeals to some of my desires for tinkering, but generally I limit my tinkering to Web design and video editing and production. But, at the end of the day, the choice in phone and OS is your own. And who can complain about that?
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True story...I've never looked at an iPhone screen...is it really that crappy? How the hell are people reading books on that?
@kspraydad
The picture is pretty crappy quality. The iPhone screen is the best multitouch out there and among the best in resolution. No it doesnt look that bad in person.
@Beinss
It's actually among the worst in resolution.
The screen is very bad at angles. Very washed out. He wasn't talking about its multi-touch capabilities.
@kspraydad
obvious troll is obvious.
GTFO
The iPhone has one of the best screens I've ever seen on a phone. Regardless of whether it's resolution is as nice as the Evo 4G or the Nexus One it hardly makes a difference.
@Beinss
among the best in resolution? I hope you are joking.
Ever heard of the droid? How about the nexus one? How about the other billion phones with higher res than the iPhone?
@TheLondonExchange Oh, I didnt know you've witnessed an EVO 4G. And have you put a nexus ones screen next to an iphones? The AMOLED dominates, with amazing deep blacks and pretty colors.
*is N1 fanboy but I dont care I love mine
@B3astofthe3ast did you ever try to look at amoled in the sunlight? one of the reasons i sold my nexus was because i couldn't read a thing in the sun. this is why i still prefer lcd over amoled.
@B3astofthe3ast
I said even if it's not as nice as the nexus one's
I KNOW that the iPhone's resolution isn't as high as those other phones...
It did come out months before them after all right? I'd HOPE that these companies would at least have put a better screen (spec wise). Not that that has helped android sell any better...
My point is that regardless of screen resolution we're still dealing with small phones and it hardly makes that much of difference to me. And as I mentioned below the average consumer couldn't give two shits about specs...so it's all just a moot argument that the anti apple people use to justify not buying the iPhone.
You and I know both know you'll never buy an iPhone...umm okay that's fine. You're the one who's missing out. However don't delude yourself into thinking that you're better than me because you're not rocking the hottest phone on the market right now. You're not "emo cool" because you're anti apple. Only on engadget where all the trolls are will you be popular. In real life you represent a small fraction of haters.
@untrueparadox Honestly, Its impossible to read unless you turn up the brightness...I have no problems reading the screen with the brightness all the way up.
@TheLondonExchange Your point is moot because unlike your iphone, these phones dont have small screens. At 3.7 and 4.3 inches, the Droid, N1s, and EVOs screen truly show what a difference the extra pixels can make.
I don't hate apple, and I don't want the iphone simply because it doesn't fit my needs for having a phone that can be customized, can multitask, and handle messaging and email the way Android does. I got a G1 when it first came out, loved it, and I doubt I'll be switching to another platform anytime soon.
You and everyone else can enjoy your iphones for all I care, but don't come belittling our phones, especially in an area where they are clearly superior than the iphone.
@TheLondonExchange
Hi London...what is trollish about my question. I have honestly never picked up or looked at or used an iPhone. If the image is a bad one...that is all that needed to be said no?
Obivious internet bully is obvious.
@kspraydad
If you want an unbiased opinion look else where than engadget. If you want the hater 's opinion, which will be highly/highest ranked due to the sheer amount of Microsoft fanboys and Apple haters, read the comment above. Usually pro Apple comments get down rated here so they are deemed "untrustworthy" or automatically deemed Apple lovers.
In conclusion, don't ask engadget commenters on any things Apple. Find a different site.
BTW. This may be down ranked again due to the amount of Microsoft fanboys not liking criticism an the fact that they THINK engadget is pro Apple. Which they are not. Which then they will talk about engadget supported by Apple or AOL or some other BS. My point? Don't ask engadget commenters for an unbiased opinion of Apple tech.
@kspraydad
BTW- I love my iPhone. It's the best phone I've ever had. I wish youtube video was crisper but that's really my only complaint. I live in Ohio and have full reception throughout the city in which I live. I have used Android with and without the Sense UI and find it a lacking in both cases. I enjoy the simplicity of my iPhone and the ecosystem it employs. I appreciate the close ecosystem and appreciate the fact that it must be approved and makes me feel secure, even though it may not be;) I should also point out that I actually PAY for apps and don't have to steal/jailbreak to enjoy my iPhone. AGAIN- you can't listen to many of the commenters here. Geeks and tech lovers alike hold fast to the camp they support and it can get ugly. Just look at the iPhone for YOURSELF and see if YOU like it.
@TheLondonExchange
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/03/iphones-lcd-screen-beats-nexus-ones-oled-display/
@kspraydad Quick answer the screen is great. Others might have better specs but in real life performance the iPhone dominates. There are lots of haters on both sides so don't listen to either side go and try all of them (no N1 at stores tho).
Don't compare specs between different OS's since it's a fools comparison. Even with a 1GHz snapdragon an Android phone barely competes with an iPhone 3GS @ 600 MHz. The first iPhones ran @ 412 MHz and the speed jump between them is huge in real life tests.
Btw there is a modified Android OS that blows the sox out of the Google version. It is not available in any current phone tho.
@B3astofthe3ast
I don't hate Apple either. I also don't love it. Same goes for Android or Windows Phone. Honestly, I think most opinions on this site are completely juvenile - people "choose" sides and then become fanboys, bashing the other side. Myself, I make rational evaluations of products and then choose which one best fits my needs, like you. I've owned Palms (PalmOS as well as WinMo), HTC WinMo phones, whatever. Recently when I was deciding how to upgrade I was leaning towards Android, but unfortunately a work project involving developing an iPhone app made the decision for me.
Anyway, I've been pretty happy with the iPhone all in all and to make a long story short, you're wrong on most counts of why you wouldn't choose an iPhone. The iPhone can be customized to hell and back, either officially or through jailbreaking. It can also multitask (I'm not just talking about music and email, any app at all) through jailbreaking. Yes, it's true you do need to jailbreak to maximize the capabilities of the iPhone, but the exact people who clamor for this sort of control are the exact ones for whom jailbreaking is dead simple. As for "handle messaging and email", I'm not really sure where you're going with that one. What exact features are missing?
@tonicboy I realize jailbreaking opens many doors for iphone users, but as far as I can tell, its not as tweakable as Android, especially since my N1 is rooted and I can load a custom ROM, tweaked in every way to my liking at will.
I'm not fond of the iPhones "app grid"; I prefer androids custom screens where you place apps and widgets where your heart desires. I'm also fond of live wallpapers.
In terms of email, I haven't seen anything hold a candle to the Gmail experiance on Android, but that is to be expected.
@TheLondonExchange yeah I would have to disagree. After owning every iPhone generation and now having a nexus one there is a huge difference in screen quality. The iPhone isn't bad but it also doesn't hold a candle to the Droid N1, or the HD2.
@think before you react that's a great post and although I am now in a different "camp" than you are this is really the only way you can truelly find a phone that suits your needs. Don't take enadget comments seriously because you will never find the phone (or other gadget) that you really like. And if you do find a product that you like keep your options open and try out other products cause or you will never really appreciate your investment or u might even find something better. There is way to much fanboy/product bashing that goes on in the comments on sites like these.
@B3astofthe3ast
I'd like to hear what kind of things you want to tweak. Not to doubt you but more for my own sake because in a year or so I'll be back on the market and I'll have to decide once again what phone is best for me. I'm making a mental list of everything I could possibly want to do with a smartphone so I can compare and contrast. So far, I haven't been able to find anything I wanted to do that I couldn't, and I'm a pretty geeky guy, as a web developer. After all, once you get past Apple's barriers, you're looking at a Unix-based mobile OS that has all sorts of untapped power.
You want widgets? Done. You want to change the grid layout? Done. You want to add a skin? Done. You want custom app icons? Done. You want to customize the lock screen? Done. You want multitasking and app switching? Done. You want to enable wifi-only apps for 3G? Done. You want tethering? Done. You want to enable your phone as a mass storage device? Done. You want a custom keyboard layout? Done. You want to customize the status bar info and layout? Done. Want to replace the default SMS app? Done.
Even though I don't use GMail, I would expect that the experience would indeed be best on Android, so you've got me there. But, that has nothing to do with iPhone OS, it's just that that is one of Google's family jewels and they'll keep the best for themselves.
Of course, after all that is said and done you'd still have to ask yourself why you would choose iPhone over Android and the short answer is... apps. Seriously, that is the one thing that would make it so hard for me to leave the Apple ecosystem. The amount of software available is staggering. I've been browsing the Android Market at AndroidZoom.com and really, it will be another year at least before they're competitive with Apple's App Store. Not to mention that the games suck on Android (Labyrinth is one of the top games, really?!). Oh, and 75% of apps are available for free, if you're the unscrupulous sort ;), and the paid ones are cheaper than their Android counterparts.
@tonicboy I do agree that the app selection on the iPhone easily bests Androids app selection, especially in the games, but it is slowly getting better. I also feel as though Android has more functionality out of box, with free navigation, google apps, etc.
As far as tweaking goes, there is so much you can play around with on a nexus one, especially if you hang around XDA-developers. Between all the custom ROMs and hacks you can do, as well as a plethora of options and settings, you can really make the phone exactly how you want. I know you can do that with an iphone, but there aren't different flavors of the iphones OS to play with, like Sense UI, MotoBlur, etc,
Honestly, I think the iPhone is a great platform for those with the knowhow to jailbreak and customize it. However, I'm far too accustomed to android to switch.
@The Advanced Kind
the higher resolution wouldn't do much for me if I couldn't watch my iTunes movies and TV shows on it. It's the iTunes content that gives the iPhone its biggest advantage over phones with superior displays, processors (like Snapdragon), and higher resolution and AMOLED brightness.
@B3astofthe3ast
Did you notice on the spec list, however, that the EVO only supports only 65,536 colors, just like the HD2?
@angermeans
You know, you can buy a Ferrari with a sexy body and fast engine, then constantly tinker and tweak it to make it go faster, or buy a Honda Accord and just get in and drive it without worry, cause it'll get you there just as fast, because you're not having to stop and mess with it, Ive had my iPhone for a year now, and I know every morning when I wake up, it will too. To all those who want fast tweakable phones with super OMLED screens, there's nothing wrong with that, that's why we have choices. But I want to get in my car every morning and just drive to work without having to pop the hood.
@B3astofthe3ast http://www.pcworld.com/article/190112/nexus_ones_screen_is_gorgeous_but_with_issues.html
@Mikeserena What you've said is why I like my Blackberry. Apps, for the most part, are meaningless to me save for those that involve my business activities; I'm not watching videos outside whatever is being streamed through YouTube or Sprint TV. I want a system that syncs reliably with Outlook, offers a great keyboard (I'm sometimes writing columns on the go from major events and occasionally writing op-eds for PR clients while on the road); and offers an easy experience. On that end, I don't blame iPhone fans for loving their phones (even though I'm not a fan of iTunes and its bloat and cannot stand the controlled nature of the Apple experience).
Android appeals to some of my desires for tinkering, but generally I limit my tinkering to Web design and video editing and production. But, at the end of the day, the choice in phone and OS is your own. And who can complain about that?