@topgearguy Yes, it's decent, but when there's others (Google & Palm) who can do it extremely better it be becomes pathetic when Apple can't be on par. And I don't want to start about the annoyance of "Push Notifications," which the others once again do better.
@derekdevine .. on a technical level the iPhone has by far the best multitasking implementation. For background processes e.g. IM, VOIP it uses Grand Central Dispatch which is combined with a system wide thread pool.
This means that the OS will slow down tasks on a much more fine grained level than the other operating systems.
@appleipad I guess I should wait until the final release in the summer before I call it "pathetic." There still could be room for enhancements/improvements.
@taligent I don't know the logistics of the technicalities of multi-tasking on a phone, but I do know the implementation is pathetic, boring icons. Honestly, it could've been a lot better.
so it sucks because of the boring icons? Haha, would love to see your current theme - I'm 100% certain you made your iPod look like a puke pasta. Damn kids
@pukerocket 1. Who said I had an iPod? 2. I said the implementation is pathetic (learn to read) and that's my opinion, and you cleary have yours. 3. If I'm a kid, you're a baby.
@derekdevine I suppose Apple's multitasking is missing the Alt-Tab feature as seen on the PC, and is missing the "too many cards" issue as seen on the Pre.
Get real will you. How does one make multi-tasking non-boring? It should be something you just don't have to think about? It should not be a whole lot of bother at all.
You are obviously an ex Wintel, Winmo, now droid fan, which is a sign of a true geek. When your HP slate or droid tablet catches up with iPad sales, and when Palm Pre handsets and Doid handsets catches up with iPhone, then you have a point about Apple's failures. Until then, you should post you comments against Pre, Droid, Slate articles.
@Ruthless Really? WebOS has one of the best Multi-Tasking UI's.. don't waste time arguing it. I do admit, current WebOS powered-handsets are lacking in hardware.. but so is my iPhone 3GS.
It sounds like you got sold. Jobs did a good job.... Numbers mean nothing. By your logic, my macbook/mac os is an APPLE FAILURE due to it's lack of sales in comparison with others. As much I enjoy some of Apple's products, I hope fanboys like you will stop ;) because they are NOT perfect/best.
@derekdevine Multitasking or better said the method of switching through running apps should be fast and not eye candy. I don't even want to see it. In my opinion Apple's solution is the best!
@Chris7197 might not make sense on a smaller screen like the iphone. I like the cards of Pre/ProSwitcher, but then you're doing a lot of swiping left and right. at least with apple's way, you are seeing 4 possible options at a time. I have 4.0 installed on my phone and it seems to keep the 4 most recent used programs first in the multitask row.
as for expose, I bet that is what they are doing for iPad, which is why the release is delayed till fall. with the added horsepower/screen real estate, there will definitely be a few more extras when compared to iPhone.
Android is what people buy because an iPhone isn't available on their network. iPhone outsell Android phones by a big margin on ALL networks anywhere where both platforms are available.
In terms of browser data usage, first different data providers have different results, most have the gap as being larger, second, the data provider in this case -admob, has an interest in making Google look better, just as whoever Jobs used for the OS 4 launch was used to make Apple look better.
In terms of company value, since the release of the Nexus One and high profile Android phones, the gap between Apple and Google has grown wider. What this means is that Apple has done a better job of turning their IP into company value than Google. So Apple's management needs credit there.
The other thing that is often not brought up, but compared to the iPhone the Nexus One has extremely poor battery life. A colleague of mine has one, in fact he even got an exchange thinking the first one was defective. I bet if the Nexus One was more popular it would have been an issue. It's a nice phone and the OS is also excellent (very iphonish) and some of the Google apps are very nicely done... but battery does not last through the office day without charging which my iPhone does easily.
@jaffreywali what a bullshit statement, not only for saying "people only buy android phones because the iphone wasn't avaliable" other people have different tastes than you, I have played with my cousins old iphone and it got boring after a while, same thing all the time and too simple for my tastes. That doesn't mean I bash it though, everybody has different tastes.
As for "multitasking shouldn't be pretty apple did it better" they don't have REAL multitasking its just background apps that are suspended (pandora isn't ) web os's has the programs running in full in the background and it does it EXTREMLY well and most people who say it doesn't is because they havnt used it. What kind of an excuse is "I want it boring and plain so apples is better because webos's is eye catching"..... I hate that all the apple fanboys never give anything a chance.
@patp He has a point, almost all carriers in my country have android phones and that's your best choice with them. Only one has the iPhone so it's clear that android has an advantage here.
As for the "not real" multitasking you might be right, but guess what, it's better. On webOS I have to scroll more times to get where I want and I don't want to loose time switching through running apps, doh.
@supernine your numbers logic is wrong.....apple owns over 90% of the $1000+ pc market.....webOS phones are selling for comparable prices to its competition and getting absolutely killed.....consumers have spoken and webOS is pretty much a failure.....hell they actually sell for a little less than the most of their competition and they're still getting killed....that is failure.
yeah the cards and notifications are great....but who cares when you can't do much with the device.....it has next to no dev support......the friggin ipad has more device specific applications than there are in the webOS app store.
@ummmwhat Of course apple owns the overpriced desktop market. I can buy dozens of pcs in the same price range as a mini that offer features comparable to a mac pro.
@patp it is multi tasking, not just background processes. I can delete things in the background by just holding down the icon until it wiggles. a red minus icon will appear on the left corner.
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ProSwitcher! Since Steve Jobs method of multi-tasking is pathetic.
@derekdevine
Why is it so bad? It looked well implemented to me.
@derekdevine hows it pathetic ?
@derekdevine The idea behind it (running services, etc.) is pretty good, but the implementation (boring row of little icons) is, well, boring.
@derekdevine
it seemed like a good implementation of multitasking to me
@derekdevine
If you call conserving battery power pathetic.
@mogren Exactly. The idea is great! It just wasn't well executed. Palm is still superior, I'll give them that...and that's it.
@topgearguy Yes, it's decent, but when there's others (Google & Palm) who can do it extremely better it be becomes pathetic when Apple can't be on par. And I don't want to start about the annoyance of "Push Notifications," which the others once again do better.
@derekdevine .. on a technical level the iPhone has by far the best multitasking implementation. For background processes e.g. IM, VOIP it uses Grand Central Dispatch which is combined with a system wide thread pool.
This means that the OS will slow down tasks on a much more fine grained level than the other operating systems.
@appleipad I guess I should wait until the final release in the summer before I call it "pathetic." There still could be room for enhancements/improvements.
@taligent I don't know the logistics of the technicalities of multi-tasking on a phone, but I do know the implementation is pathetic, boring icons. Honestly, it could've been a lot better.
@derekdevine
so it sucks because of the boring icons? Haha, would love to see your current theme - I'm 100% certain you made your iPod look like a puke pasta. Damn kids
@pukerocket 1. Who said I had an iPod?
2. I said the implementation is pathetic (learn to read) and that's my opinion, and you cleary have yours.
3. If I'm a kid, you're a baby.
@derekdevine I suppose Apple's multitasking is missing the Alt-Tab feature as seen on the PC, and is missing the "too many cards" issue as seen on the Pre.
Get real will you. How does one make multi-tasking non-boring? It should be something you just don't have to think about? It should not be a whole lot of bother at all.
You are obviously an ex Wintel, Winmo, now droid fan, which is a sign of a true geek. When your HP slate or droid tablet catches up with iPad sales, and when Palm Pre handsets and Doid handsets catches up with iPhone, then you have a point about Apple's failures. Until then, you should post you comments against Pre, Droid, Slate articles.
Get a life. Be real. Start living.
@derekdevine
I think it looks pretty nice. I sort of expected Apple to do an expose style switcher, which would be nicer IMO - but I still can't wait for it!
@Ruthless
Really? WebOS has one of the best Multi-Tasking UI's.. don't waste time arguing it. I do admit, current WebOS powered-handsets are lacking in hardware.. but so is my iPhone 3GS.
It sounds like you got sold. Jobs did a good job.... Numbers mean nothing. By your logic, my macbook/mac os is an APPLE FAILURE due to it's lack of sales in comparison with others. As much I enjoy some of Apple's products, I hope fanboys like you will stop ;) because they are NOT perfect/best.
@Ruthless Actually, Android is not that far off. Pre still is way behind though. Poor Palm!
http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/17/google-issues-statement-on-nexus-one-sales-touts-android-market/
http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/stats-iphone-os-is-still-king-of-the-mobile-web-space-but-andr/
@derekdevine Multitasking or better said the method of switching through running apps should be fast and not eye candy. I don't even want to see it. In my opinion Apple's solution is the best!
@Chris7197 might not make sense on a smaller screen like the iphone. I like the cards of Pre/ProSwitcher, but then you're doing a lot of swiping left and right. at least with apple's way, you are seeing 4 possible options at a time. I have 4.0 installed on my phone and it seems to keep the 4 most recent used programs first in the multitask row.
as for expose, I bet that is what they are doing for iPad, which is why the release is delayed till fall. with the added horsepower/screen real estate, there will definitely be a few more extras when compared to iPhone.
@trunksy
Android is what people buy because an iPhone isn't available on their network. iPhone outsell Android phones by a big margin on ALL networks anywhere where both platforms are available.
In terms of browser data usage, first different data providers have different results, most have the gap as being larger, second, the data provider in this case -admob, has an interest in
making Google look better, just as whoever Jobs used for the OS 4 launch was used to make Apple look better.
In terms of company value, since the release of the Nexus One and high profile Android phones, the gap between Apple and Google has grown wider. What this means is that Apple has done a better job of turning their IP into company value than Google. So Apple's management needs credit there.
The other thing that is often not brought up, but compared to the iPhone the Nexus One has extremely poor battery life. A colleague of mine has one, in fact he even got an exchange thinking the first one was defective. I bet if the Nexus One was more popular it would have been an issue. It's a nice phone and the OS is also excellent (very iphonish) and some of the Google apps are very nicely done... but battery does not last through the office day without charging which my iPhone does easily.
@jaffreywali Is the other way around. Android phones have sold better.
@jaffreywali what a bullshit statement, not only for saying "people only buy android phones because the iphone wasn't avaliable" other people have different tastes than you, I have played with my cousins old iphone and it got boring after a while, same thing all the time and too simple for my tastes. That doesn't mean I bash it though, everybody has different tastes.
As for "multitasking shouldn't be pretty apple did it better" they don't have REAL multitasking its just background apps that are suspended (pandora isn't ) web os's has the programs running in full in the background and it does it EXTREMLY well and most people who say it doesn't is because they havnt used it. What kind of an excuse is "I want it boring and plain so apples is better because webos's is eye catching"..... I hate that all the apple fanboys never give anything a chance.
@patp He has a point, almost all carriers in my country have android phones and that's your best choice with them. Only one has the iPhone so it's clear that android has an advantage here.
As for the "not real" multitasking you might be right, but guess what, it's better. On webOS I have to scroll more times to get where I want and I don't want to loose time switching through running apps, doh.
@patp
well said, WebOS and meamo multi tasking are real multi tasking, the others especially the iphone OS are just a joke
@supernine your numbers logic is wrong.....apple owns over 90% of the $1000+ pc market.....webOS phones are selling for comparable prices to its competition and getting absolutely killed.....consumers have spoken and webOS is pretty much a failure.....hell they actually sell for a little less than the most of their competition and they're still getting killed....that is failure.
yeah the cards and notifications are great....but who cares when you can't do much with the device.....it has next to no dev support......the friggin ipad has more device specific applications than there are in the webOS app store.
@ummmwhat Of course apple owns the overpriced desktop market. I can buy dozens of pcs in the same price range as a mini that offer features comparable to a mac pro.
The rest of the market simply moved on.
@patp it is multi tasking, not just background processes. I can delete things in the background by just holding down the icon until it wiggles. a red minus icon will appear on the left corner.