Switched On: Kin dread spirit

Microsoft's legacy is in licensing software PC operating systems to run on others' hardware, but the company began creating its own integrated platforms with Xbox. In a TechCrunch interview last September, Steve Ballmer logically laid out the case for when to integrate and when to license, with the main criterion being the size of the category. Here's Steve:
in January, following Google's announcement of the Nexus One, Microsoft's Robbie Bach was quoted in a Business Week article expressing skepticism regarding Google's ability to balance selling its own handset while supporting other hardware partners:"I think you can have an Apple in the phone business, or a RIM, and they can do very well, but when 1.3 billion phones a year are all smart, the software that's gonna be most popular in those phones is gonna be software that's sold by somebody who doesn't make their own phone. And, we don't want to cross the chasm in the short run and lose the war in the long run and that's why we think the software play is the right play for us for high volume, even though some of the guys in the market today with vertically oriented solutions may do just fine."
Now, Microsoft is indeed pursuing opportunities, but the Kin is more directly competitive with Microsoft's hardware partners than Google's Nexus One was with Android partners, although there's a key difference. While both the Nexus One and the Kin were actually made by separate hardware partners (HTC and Sharp, respectively), the Nexus One, unlike the Kin, runs the same core Android software and can access the same apps that other Android devices do. In contrast, while the Kin is considered a "Windows Phone," it will not be able to access the apps that Windows Phone 7 devices do."Doing both in the way they are trying to do both is actually very, very difficult. Google's announcement sends a signal where they're going to place their commitment. That will create some opportunities for us and we'll pursue them."
The Kin's paradoxical message to Microsoft's partners continues that of the Zune: Welcome to the social -- we're going it alone here. |
Google's offering of the Nexus One exclusively direct and online, though, made it more of an experiment in distribution than in competition. Android handsets such as the Motorola Droid, then, are largely shielded from competition with the Nexus One because the Droid is promoted and sold by Verizon Wireless, the largest U.S. carrier. Indeed, the Droid continued to outsell the Nexus One despite the latter having earlier access to the latest version of Android. Leading Android devices on T-Mobile should also handily outsell the Nexus One.
Whereas Google kept its distance from the powerful distribution channel of the carriers with the Nexus One, Microsoft has dived into it, partnering with Verizon to offer the Kin. While the carrier has not yet revealed the price of the devices or their service, it would make sense to offer special data plan pricing to attract the targeted younger demographic that has so far been less likely to adopt smartphones because of the hefty monthly fees. And while the Kin is arguably closer to a feature phone than a smartphone, the strongest competition for it will come from smartphones that have access to rich social networking apps. Kin will compete with the likes of inexpensive handsets such as the iPhone, Palm Pixi, and the Motorola Devour with its social Motoblur interface, not touchscreen feature phones that have fine forms but minute minds.
There's another difference between Google's and Microsoft's approach in competing with its partners. Google launched the Nexus One more than a year after the first Android device appeared. By the time Google launched the Nexus One, the Droid was stealing share from Apple and RIM and Android devices were on three of the four major U.S. carriers, with an AT&T announcement imminent. Kin, in contrast, will be released months before we'll see the first Windows Phone 7 device, and is thus competing with Windows Phone partners before Microsoft's reboot even boots up. And while Windows Phone 7, in fairness, places relatively strong emphasis on integrating contact-centric social messaging into its topmost interface layer, Microsoft's skinning prohibition prevents its partners from creating overlays such as Sense and Blur that adapt smartphones to better compete with a device such as the Kin.
It has been noted that Kin has much in common with the Zune HD, but the two devices have parallel business models as well. When Microsoft launched Zune, it also decided to compete with its partners in pursuit of an integrated shared media experience. At least with Zune, though, the licensees on which Microsoft pulled the plug had had ample opportunity to take a shot at a surging Apple mobile device. The Kin's paradoxical message to its partners, then, continues that of the Zune: Welcome to the social -- we're going it alone here.
Ross Rubin is executive director of industry analysis for consumer technology at market research and analysis firm The NPD Group. Views expressed in Switched On are his own.






















the Kin 2 looks pretty nice.
i hope carrier and price info comes soon (c'mon AT&T!)
@kyle shappley
AT&T? wha??
Anyway, I think Microsoft can only get the Kin right if they have really, really good pricing in the cost of the phone and the monthly charge.
@Howell I completely agree, it needs to be affordable when it come to the data package it requires. if it requires a $30 data plan then it will be a failure. It has to be like $15 and unlimited because no parent wants to fight with their kids when they go over that very vague data limit.
@mdb92888 are you smoking some sort of weed? AT&T charge $30+ for their data play. Tmobile charge $2x for their stupid edge network. which provider is going to charge $15 for unlimited but limited data plan?
@kyle shappley
Its a Verizon exclusive.
@ober
Those are smartphone data plans. Feature phone data plans are cheaper.
@BigJayDogg3
Or they should be cheaper anyway.
@BigJayDogg3 That would make a lot of sense, but these phones are going to consume a bunch more data than does traditional "feature phones" these are always on devices and arguably they could use more data then some iPhone or other smart phone users use. Have you seen a tween with their text messaging? It is always on and always open so they can talk to their many many friends. Add facebook and twitter and not to mention heavy pictures and video sharing and you have a bunch of data being consumed. I am willing to bet that no provider (Verizon included) is going to jump into bed with Microsoft at a much lower data plan. Think about it.
Kinda funny cause KIN actually means to go F yourself in Korean internet jargon or something to that effect.
@mdb92888 If only carriers had a lower cost data plan for feature phones.
Wait..
I hope you know it is going to be on the T-Mobile network the reason Microsoft made these devices is because they thought it would appeal to the "Sidekick Teen Market". They stop making new sidekicks and Microsoft made these devices. Though I wouldn't be surprised if they were on different networks, but I do know for a fact that there going to be on a T-Mobile Network first. They were originally called "Project Pink" @kyle shappley
@MallexD
Do you read at all? They are a Verizon exclusive.
the Kin looks nice.
i hope carrier and price info comes soon. (c'mon AT&T!)
Great article.
*goes to read article*
@DanMan LOL! Good one.
Love the Kin 2's form factor the UI can go burn in a TR4SH C4N
pfft smart dumb fones...
@victorvelasco1 I would say they are more dumb smartphones than smart dumbphones
@victorvelasco1 Only about 80% of the entire market...
Cool story bro
Microsoft may be better off going it alone, why does it need partners in the phone business?
@bob e Zune
These are going to be big sellers. I don't care for them, but I think they'll find a market big time. As long as they don't cost as much as the iPhone. inexpensive handset + inexpensive data plan = big sales.
@cc3d
wait, you can get a cheaper data plan than the one on the iphone? exactly... except for sprint and tmobile, the data plan (unlimited) is the same, which is why most people search for better phones
@masta vaan
Being that the scope of these phones is narrow (i'm assuming the browser won't be as fully featured, no apps) it isn't a huge stretch that the data plans for these phones will be cheaper, even if they are unlimited.
Seriously, I challenge any smartphone user to consume as much data as possible. And without tethering, it is extremely hard to break two gigs of data usage per month.
I've tried this with every phone I've used, and with occasional tethering, I still only made it out to three gigs.
@BigJayDogg3
3 gigs is well over 2, phone wise....and these phones are constantly uploading all your 4 & 8 megapixel photos and 720p video to the cloud. Thats not your everyday light uploading. Were talking, at leat 1-2mb per photo (4mp) and around 3-4mb per photo (8mp)....and well, I shouldnt even have to mention HD video. They also download and stream photos/videos from your KIN Studio that you do not have saved on your phone...and lets not forget the ZUNE PASS, and constant (15 min + manual) refresh of your social network feeds and all the emails one will be sending.
These phones arent going to do your everyday feature phones light data usage. But only time will tell...
@abedinthehouse
Note for the challenge I said without tethering. My 3 gigs of usage included tethering.
@abedinthehouse
And that's easy enough to solve. You handle it the same way Blackberry does. You compress outgoing data, and incoming data is compressed through Microsoft servers before being pumped out through your wireless data connection.
These phones are targeting the Sidekick crowd. How much data did they use? I'd say add ~500 mb to whatever that is, and you have what these phones will be using.
My other solution is more involved but could yield similar or better results. All that happens is you upload your stuff once. To the Kin Studio. From there if you want to push it out to Twitter/Facebook/Myspace, the Kin Studio handles that with their much faster connection. All the phone does is act as a remote telling the server to upload something.
This kin could be a serious social epidemic with low cost and nice form factor it could damage the education system for teens and preteens, soon all they will be able to do is lol at others people's rolfs and ttyl to all thier bff
The look so "cute". But I still think any average Android with a Friendstream widget could do a better job...
I hope Microsoft made the most out of Tegra's hardware-accelerated flash support...
Google's timing with the Nexus One didn't reduce the degree to which they were competing with their hardware partners. The Nexus One, at the time, was the most powerful Android device out there. If they had released it through traditional distribution channels on one of the big two carriers, it would've crushed the Droid.
Microsoft's releasing a phone that is a distinctly different product than any phone running Windows Phone 7; I doubt there's much overlap in their target markets. To compete with their hardware partners more than Google did, they'd have to wait a few months after WP7's launch and then release a device with superior specs to everything else out there.
Likening the Kin's existence to the Zune killing off PlaysForSure is idiocy. In no way is the Kin a substitute for a WP7 phone; it just happens to share the Zune ecosystem (which almost no one cares about right now). The Kin One and Kin Two are glorified featurephones, not the death of Windows Phone 7. Microsoft is completely justified in attempting to gather sales that the higher price points of WP7 devices are going to miss out on.
The argument that this article is trying to make seems deeply flawed to me.
@Rollins thank goodness. I thought I was the only one who read the article and thought it was utter BS. The Kin is for the younger generation that cannot afford a Windows Phone 7 smartphone.
It is a tweener phone which is the evolution of the feature phone. Those who buy it will love the social networking and either cannot afford or do not value the additional cost associated with a full-fledged smartphone - the apps, the Xbox Live, the Microsoft Office, etc. Think in terms of Infiniti vs. Nissan. They both address different demographics and I don't think one division steals customers from the other.
The argument presented here is indeed very flawed. Engadget...I could definitely write something that is more logically sound than this piece
@KBatFLORIDA @Rollins
I agree with both of you as well. This product is not meant to appeal to a broad audience, instead it is targeted at an audience that may not be able to afford a smartphone and it's expensive data plans. I've never seen any of MS's current hardware partners targeting this group, so I think MS is in safe territory.
However, since so many of MS's hardware partners are also making Android phones, I think it's safe to say that MS wants to get their feet wet in the hardware business should they find that their hardware partners use Android leverage to try to squeeze cheaper licensing fees.
@KBatFLORIDA
Wait till Apple release a iPhone mini with less feature then the iPhone and watch Engadget scream "magical", inovative...
@KBatFLORIDA But we still need pricing to confirm how much of a spread there would be between a smartphone and this phone. For instance, if it retails for $100 or less, then it will have a good shot. But if it takes a $200 phone to satisfy the required features that's $10/month over 20 months (might be able to upgrade to a new phone at that point). So, $10 a month + $10-20 data plan might run close to a $30 data plan on the iPhone. I have obviously left out the fact that the price of the iPhone in this comparison, but it isn't inconceivable that Apple leaves the 3G as an option and offers it free on contract.
Iphone will obviously lack many of the things that this will have, but IMHO it'd be the device of choice for the exact market that MS is targeting. I think I've come close to demonstrating that they need to beat the price of the cheapest iPhone by over $100 AND have a cheaper data plan to even compete. If the Kin is the only thing a family can afford for their child, that's what he/she would get, but the child will definitely be negotiating on chores/grades/etc in order to get than $5-15 a month difference or pay it out of their pocket if they have the means to do so.
@Rollins
I agree with most of what you say. They are competing with the phone market but not in their own realm. They aren't trying to take away from the Windows Phone 7 market but they are going after the messaging phone market.
@Rollins: Exactly what I was thinking. Ross Rubin is way off the mark on this article. The Kin market is not the same as the smart phone market. That very basic fact can't be overlooked.
i still think gadget bloggers are getting it wrong. and i think KIN got it right. the market for this phone is people who AREN'T gadget fiends, they are social fiends, they have little care about android versus iphone versus webOS.
they want their phone to do the few things they want it to do and forget about all that app crap. I find myself leaning more and more that way, after what is soon to be 3 years of iphone ownership, sure the apps can be fun, but when i think of how little the phone has changed in 3 years and when i think of the money i've put into my devices and monthly service i want to puke. the iphone has been a great toy, i have gotten use to quick email and twitter access, i take tons of photos, but thankfully i don't ever have to get "work" done on my phone and there are a ton of other people out there who don't either, this phone makes total sense for them and makes total sense for me.
the only app i'm really gonna miss when i ditch my iphone is the Kindle app because i love pulling a book out when i have 5-10 minutes to kill. otherwise a KIN will do everything that i use my iphone for. your use may vary
"Each week Ross Rubin contributes Switched On, a column about consumer technology."
Thats how you introduce an editorial...no mention of bagels anywhere.
Meh. Typical Engadget/SwitchedOn Microsoft bashing.
Making irrational arguments like launching timing and minimizing Google's NexusOne's powerful features when it suits your argument is just lame.
And how in the heck is "The Kin's paradoxical message to Microsoft's partners continues that of the Zune: Welcome to the social -- we're going it alone here."
What are these Zune partners you speak of, and how is it that these partners got this 'going it alone' msg from the Zune?
@AvengerLE You forget very quickly. Before the Zune, Microsoft tried to get all sorts of hardware manufacturers to jump on the PlaysForSure bandwagon. Then they released Zune. Which didn't play PlaysForSure.
It's a pattern with Microsoft - if you partner with them, they will eventually either betray you, or buy you. It's been going on for decades. Now with the kin, they do the betraying before actually releasing the software.
I don't see why anyone would make a W7 phone anyway - why pay Microsoft licensing fees, when there's Android which is going to be better than W7, and free to boot. Plus, you are not going to have a Zune moment.
@nikster
Yes, i remember when you used to be able to buy PC's from companies like Dell, Gateway, and HP, but Microsoft bought them all out.
@nikster
Oh shut up dude, last i remember Play for Sure was not being successful and the devices that were being put out there were half ass made. So i think it was right for MS to release the Zune with it's own eco system.
@nikster "I don't see why anyone would make a W7 phone anyway - why pay Microsoft licensing fees, when there's Android which is going to be better than W7, and free to boot. Plus, you are not going to have a Zune moment."
Because consumers want the phone? So, if you could, as OEMs, decide to collectively boycott the OS (which I think would be illegal anyways) then yes, that'd *possibly* be the right thing to do. But to leave $ on the table not developing for a desired platform? That's just bad-business. The WM 6.5 license fee was estimated @$10 last I read, and this actually keeps some of your costs down as you don't have to keep up with Android's updates, etc. It's not as bad a business deal as you make it out to be, even if 2-1 customers prefer Android.
@AvengerLE
Haha, you forgot about PlaysforSure... When the Zune came out it was Ballmer take a knife in the back to all their partners (not just hardware partners, but other WMA stores)
The hardware created for playforsure was absolute garbage. That's why Microsoft abandoned it. Even now nobody has made a half decent player to work against the ipod. The only one that came close and might still have a chance is Zune. Engadget is completely wrong by the way. I don't believe this is going to be a Microsft Phone. If the Kin does well, I have no doubt the platform will be moved to other phones. Microsoft will more than likely have a lot more control over the hardware used which was part of there problem with playforsure.
" Kin, in contrast, will be released months before we'll see the first Windows Phone 7 device, and is thus competing with Windows Phone partners before Microsoft's reboot even boots up."
Because it's a simple feature phone? People arent so dumb that they dont know the difference between that and a smartphone if they are in the market for one.
"Microsoft's skinning prohibition prevents its partners from creating overlays such as Sense and Blur that adapt smartphones to better compete with a device such as the Kin. "
Ok, you cant on one hand scream about how companies needed skins to cover up the "ugly", to only then lament that MS wont let them cover up their refined UI for uniqueness sake.
Kin is going to do well.
Lot of nerds don't like it but the phone fits perfect for regular people.
Just in few days kin facebook fan page already has over 44k fans. just yesterday it had like 20k fans.
@pinktac0yum
Yup, the only thing that they need to hit is the pricing. The data plan has to be $20 or less for unlimited. If its $15 or $10 that would be great.
If the plan is significantly cheaper than what you'd spend on a full blown smart phone, this could have a Wii like effect on the mobile phone industry.
@pinktac0yum if it's aimed at teens, it better look really good. these are fugly. therefore, they'll tank. it's that simple - features or data plans don't even come into play.