Hanvon suffers the tablet curse, delays multitouch B10, talks up cheaper F10 model
By Tim Stevens 
posted April 30th 2010 9:31AM
posted April 30th 2010 9:31AM
posted April 30th 2010 9:31AM
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Shiny awesomeness.
@Miakandogadget if they dont know how to control cost it wont go any where though.
@Miakandogadget
Apple should sue them for using "Touch" and "Pad" as part of the name. Definitely an Apple ripoff product.
That looks nice... In theory.
@zeroinfinity2 As well as in paper -- problem is how bout for real? Also, why a celeron CPU for its procs btw. Impressions- http://j.mp/hanvon-tablet-view
fingerprint magnet with a huge cost..
The first thing they have to do is change the name from Hanvon to something else.
@Sea Urchin
Actually, you're not far off. I think the reason every non-Apple manufacturer is having problems is that they don't know how to get people to accept compromises in performance. Apple instead gets good performance by sacrificing features. Everyone else is trying to produce a standalone computer. Apple didn't; they created a peripheral. The first thing you do when you open the box is hook it to an actual computer. Otherwise, it does nothing.
@Sea Urchin
Even a big player could have awful name and still be great. Do you know what I'm talking about, Cowon?
@steel
What Apple truly do, is making you spend money more and more.
iPad need computer to start,you need dongle to connect,oh you need a stand, etc etc etc
see, Apple is very smart to create a limited device that they totally control to leech your money.
Is it really that difficult to produce a tablet device? Everyone seems to be having great difficulty at this task. From what I can see the Apple iPad is the only successful one so far. All I read here most days, is delays, problems, cancellations and vapourware.
@mukatuna
Apple works in secrecy. That's their MO. They have their brush with delays, they don't make it public. Are you that naive?
*rolls eyes*
@mukatuna It is really hard to make a tablet. People can scream "giant iPhone" all they want, but the ipad is the only successful tablet I see available.
It's quite unfortunate, first a 3yr lead on the iPhone and now a big lead on their ipad. Other manufacturers need to stop twiddling their thumbs and innovate. I'm gonna take a huge guess and say that the vaporware tablets were under development for no longer than 2yrs, a last minute effort.
@eminisp I'm not rolling my eyes. I'm just saying what I see and read. I know that Apple has got a successful tablet device to market, and it's selling in great numbers. OK so Apple has it's delays as well, but it doesn't change the fact that the iPad is here, and is a successful product.
AFAICT no other manufacturer has been able to achieve this. Microsoft Courier? HP Slate? ... hmmm nuff said really.
Don't all manufacturers have trade secrecy when it comes to developing this things? It's just that some are better at keeping secrets than others.
@MrX8503 I'm fairly sure Apple's lead on the iPad will be at best a handful of months, a lot less than for the iPhone. Even though the competition will probably disappoint after hyping "concepts pads" so much, we'll still see 5- to 12-inchers with good enough software (android) and hardware (USB, BT, SD, some 3G) at a price low enough to compete.
I'm waiting till September to buy anything.
@mukatuna
As you can see in my comment. Im not arguing your other points only
"All I read here most days, is delays, problems, cancellations and vapourware."
What you say is true for the past few days but it does not exclude Apple. Apple has their delays but DO NOT inform everyone (ie MSFT/Hanvon or whoever).
FYI: I was *rolling eyes*
@mukatuna
Well, we all know what happened here. Apple worked on the iPad in private, over a long period of time, and announced it when it was ready for prime time. When it was ready to be unleashed onto the consumer.
The other manufacturers rushed to make a quick tablet, over a short period of time, in a thinly veiled attempt to beat Apple to the punch at CES. Now they're all calling an audible because the iPad is already gearing up to be a nigh-unstoppable marketing juggernaut, while they (the competitors) risk massive failure, like the Joo Joo.
Once again, due to their lack of vision, foresight and planning, the competitors have unwittingly given the iPad a clear head start in which to entrench itself as yet another front in Apple's multi-pronged marketing assault.
More epic fail.
Sent from my iPad
@SCXFAN They can't even copycat Apple let alone come up with something innovative themselves. Epic, epic fail indeed.
@SCXFAN You mean sent from your 10 year old Notebook from the basement of your parents home.
@SCXFAN Let me fix that for you..
Sent from my iPad
More epic fail.
@SCXFAN Let me fix that for you..
Sent from my iPad
More epic fail.
@SCXFAN
Dear Engadget,
I strongly dislike your comment system.
Sincerely,
Mr. Blue
Hope you enjoy your USB ports and your HDMI output =)
iPad destroyer WINS again. Flawless Victory!
Who the hell in their right mind would buy one of these POS??
Here is how to make a successful tablet -
- 10 to 12 inch screen.
- ULV processor
- Nvidia Optimus
- Touch Interface skin on top of Win7 (ala Sense for WM 6.5)
- Capacitive touch - Wacom Active Digitizer support
- Thick enough to have a nice slab of a battery to get 5+ hours of battery life.
Is it really that freaking hard?
@o TINY o I guess it is. iPad knocked out two this week and didnt even throw a punch.
@o TINY o
I agree, that would do it. To top it off, make a keyboard that functions as a cradle, with the added functionality of a WD Live unit (so it works standalone connected to tv/audio system for movies/music/slideshows). When the pad is in your hands, you will still have working mediacenter on the tv, and when it is cradled, it functions as a full fledged pc, and transmits the image from the pad to the tv as well if desired. It also makes it possible to manage your media and collection of memories (homevideo/pictures) on a large drive.
@o TINY o
All that and using Win7? It's called a netbook.. people need to give up on this whole "it must run full blown Windows 7 on it" under a skin idea. Notice every attempt has been a fail.
@jsbaugh
oxymoron?!?!?!?
@o TINY o
I have high hopes for ExoPC. Hope it doesn't disapoint!!
@Incorrigible
Maybe I want a netbook without the keyboard? Have you thought about that?!?!?!? Not everybody wants what you want genius!
What is this talk about "fail"
Do you see Mercedes or BMW close shop cause they cant outsell Honda or Toyota?
Did Apple give up on making computers cause PCs are out selling them?
You narrowed minded minions need to get a grip on reality. Thank God i live in a world of free thinking individuals cause i would've killed myself a long time ago.
@eminisp
That made me lol.. You are joking right? Maybe that's what I would also like but no one seems to be getting it right?! And that Mercedes/BMW vs. Honda example was a "fail", just made you sound like an idiot. I don't recall saying anything about anyone being outsold.
Let me be more clear.. instead taking the current full blown version of Windows 7 and trying to "make" it work.. I'd like to see Microsoft build a striped down touch optimized OS kinda like how Apple did.. except this OS can run all(or most) of the Windows programs you like. Make the OS require a certain hardware platform so that you can perfect it for that. Kinda like how most netbooks right now use similar hardware platforms but some are more creative than others as far as features.
@Incorrigible
People who use the word "fail" lose all credibility in their arguments.
When you use "fail" it reaks "bias" for another product or item. So in your mind If something needs to "succeed" another item needs to "fail". You have no legs to stand on in a debate. You get my drift?
Gaze upon the second to last sentence of my rant: narrow minded minions. yea, that's you idiot.
BTW "instead taking the current full blown version of Windows 7 and trying to "make" it work.. I'd like to see Microsoft build a striped down touch optimized OS kinda like how Apple did.. except this OS can run all(or most) of the Windows programs you like. Make the OS require a certain hardware platform so that you can perfect it for that. Kinda like how most netbooks right now use similar hardware platforms but some are more creative than others as far as features."
I wont argue against that. No bias here.
@o TINY o Except that turns it into Windows Mobile 6.5 with all of its issues of being slow, not designed for touch input, and not having a software library designed for touch input. What MS really needed was a courier like OS based around being productinve in the office and taking notes in class using what they've learned with proven products such as OneNote and InkSeine. That would have been revolutionary. Win7 running a touch skin is blah. I'll buy it b/c there are no other options except couch potato iPads and Andriod tablets, but its not an optimal solution...
@eminisp
failure |ˈfālyər|
noun
1 lack of success : an economic policy that is doomed to failure | the failures of his policies.
• an unsuccessful person, enterprise, or thing.
@eminisp (Don't know how my post got cut off but it did)
@eminisp
failure |ˈfālyər|
noun
1 lack of success : an economic policy that is doomed to failure | the failures of his policies.
• an unsuccessful person, enterprise, or thing.
Yeah.. obviously that means "bias". When something is not really selling.. I think that means it's not a "successful" launch, seeing as it's put up for purchase to be.. guess what.. sold. You jumping to conclusions makes you look like the narrow minded one. Maybe you just like to argue/debate?! I don't know. Anyway.. long story short I would like to see a new approach that is well thought out and not just a machine built in tablet form with full windows thrown into it with a clunky UI. BTW, I don't have a iPad incase that were you'll getting this so-called bias "drift".
@olografix stick a pixel qi screen in it and I'd be interested...
At that price point, don't expect to flood the market
Why does the title of the article say the cheaper model is the F10, while the article calls it the H10? I'm assuming it's just a typo in the article, as there is no mention of an H10 in the source.
Another vapourware. iPad wins again.
Looks like a bad day for you Apple haters.
Lets add this word to the dictionary:
v a p o u r w a r e.
This was planned to happen. They all copying Apple, little do they know is that it's about the whole ecosystem. Not just a pretty hardware.
How are they gonna be able to compete against iTunes, it's about contents when it comes to tablets.
Seriously, did Apple and Google hire away all the smart people in tech? It's really sort of pathetic.
@Johnny Tremaine But where's the Google/Android tablet? I'd like to see one out in the market that's actually selling.
FINGERPRINT MAGNET!
I hope while they are starting over.. they can cut the thickness of that thing in half! Looks like it has some serious weight to it. But I have a feeling no matter what they do.. we will end up coming away unimpressed. :-\
@Incorrigible
BTW, why are they putting HDMI ports on these things?!? A tablet is pretty much nothing but a screen. Yeah I guess the idea is that you can watch media on a bigger screen.. but doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose of the tablet? I know they can put everything into these things, but just because you can doesn't mean you always should. I would rather it have less ports(obviously the HDMI isn't the biggest sized port) and be thinner/lighter.. maybe that's just me!
@Incorrigible Why do laptops have VGA/HDMI out ports? They have their own screens to right? Does it defeat the laptops purpose?
Think about it. What's wrong with being able to output to another (big) screen?
@MaTdg
Obviously I have "thought about it". Using that logic, why not put full size HDMI ports on smart phones as well? I have no problem with added functionality. But lets be real here, how often do you plan on hooking this up to a bigger screen and in what capacity? I can't see someone watching media on them via a bigger screen daily or even weekly. In that case you might as well get a mac mini or eeepc like device dedicated for that function. If they truly want to keep all the functionally of a laptop/netbook we need to come up with standardized mobile versions of these ports to reduce their size. Kinda like Apple's mini display ports. I guess I don't see a tablet as a laptop replacement but more like a multimedia device with some desktop like abilities. Maybe it's just the picture but that thing looks pretty thick.. I rather get the size/weight down then have everything including the kitchen sick in this tablet (something you are supposed to be holding in your hands). But like I said.. maybe it's just me.