Dell pumps out a pair of new UltraSharp 1080p IPS LCDs, asks a pittance
By Paul Miller 
posted May 13th 2010 5:02PM
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What is it with this 1080p junk!? it's 24 inches! give it at least 1200. Come on, it's not the 90's
@st33ld13hl
huh?!
@st33ld13hl
I could not have said it better myself. While 1080 vertical pixels works well enough on a TV, for a desktop you need as much vertical space as possible, and losing those 120 pixels is a complete deal breaker for me.
@st33ld13hl
It is 23". Learn to read.
Also, with crappy monitors, having backlight bleed all over the letterboxes while watching a 16:9 movie is highly annoying.
@st33ld13hl Why not just buy a 1080i from Samsung thats the same size but $50 less?
@Jaylittles531 Because 1080i =/= 1080p
@st33ld13hl
Dunno about that, I kind of like my SAMSUNG 2333SW (16:9) but I guess thats subjective
@DrDr TV's are for watching movies, monitors are for computers.
I won't buy any half-assed LCD that market themselves toward watching movies on a computer.
@st33ld13hl
The 90s had better resolution. 1920x1440 on a 19" CRT.
@st33ld13hl WELL you could connect any hd device that uses 1080p if it was 1200 then it might come off as blurry so maybe thats the reason. anyways can anyone tell me if 1920x1200 would make 1080p content blurry, thats why i got my 24" 1080p monitor, if someone said otherwise then i would definitely get the 1920x1200 res
@st33ld13hl
Hmmm... 1080p on my 23" seem fine. There are higher resolution monitors but they cost a bucketload more, so why are you bitching again?
@st33ld13hl
Did they really mean 1,000 :1 contrast or 1,000,000 :1 contrast ratio? Cuz the former sounds like it sucks!
@st33ld13hl
They are doing this to save manufacturing costs. If they source a screen with 1080 lines of resolution, that same screen can be used in HDTVs.
By building around mass produced HDTV screens, they can give you a nice computer monitor for less.
@st33ld13hl
But Dell has a 24inch 1920x1200 ISP.. it's called the U2410
Why release 2 of the same monitor?
@DougieBear 2 years ago, even the lower end 23/24" monitors were 16:10 and 1920x1200. Now you can hardly even find a 22" 1920x1200, but there was a nice cheap one Lenovo stopped producing about a year ago. The 1920x1080 monitors are cheap now because the manufacturers realized enough consumers don't know/care about the difference between 1920x1200 and 1920x1080.
@Thor e Yes. They mean 1000:1, and that's actually fairly good. Any monitor quoting something like 1000000:1 is talking about dynamic contrast ratio, which dims the backlight during dark scenes in a movie, for instance. 1000:1 is about the best any LCD panel is capable of producing.
@st33ld13hl
The monitor industry has gone down the toilet in the last few years. I currently use a 19" CRT running 1600x1200. My next monitor will _not_ be new; I intend to purchase a 21" CRT running 2048x1536 off eBay as soon as I have the money.
1080 vertical pixels is not enough, and if it only has 1200 vertical pixels, it better damn well be 19" or smaller. After running at 105dpi for the last several years, I will never, _ever_ go back to double-digit DPI.
@jgp
But that is the trade-off. CRTs have by far the best picture but have died off to flat panels. The market has spoken.
@st33ld13hl My Dell 3007WFP-HC laughs at their pitiful 1920x1080 from his 2560x1600
mwhahaha
xD
@Thor e I have a DELL UltraSharp WFP2408 with a stated 1000:1 (native) contrast ratio. Although even that is very good in itself (previous gen apples only had like 300:1), there was a review in which they measured it at something like 1200:1! Dell targets pro's with these displays, and no pro uses dynamic contrast.
@TurtleBay
I wouldn't mind getting an IPS panel if they actually made screens with decent resolutions and DPI. Right now, the only way to get an LCD with good DPI is to get a laptop (15" laptop running 1920x1200, anyone?), and I seriously doubt any laptop has an IPS panel.
@guroth
I like that monitors and TV's are converging. It makes it easier to implement a home theater with a PC because if you have a handy dandy touch screen controller that mirrors the big screen, it will be 16x9 and so will the big screen. I tried to manufacture such an item a few years ago and I spent tens of hours on the phone with Chinese engineers trying to get them to understand the term "1-to-1 pixel mapping". This makes all of that wasted time obsolete.
Enjoy your convergence and buy a 27" if you want more real estate or resoultion.
@Phunkydork
That makes no sense. I want high DPI more than high resolution, so a 27" screen isn't going to interest me unless we're talking resolutions greater than 2747x1717.
Also, 16:9 is entirely unsuitable for any activity other than watching movies. I don't watch movies on my computer. I use my computer to do real things. I don't want to use hardware designed to be used by media-whores; I want hardware designed for businessmen.
$280 for a 22 incher?!
My AOC 23 incher cost $150 at TigerDirect on sale!
AND its 1080p!
Though it can't boast IPS.
@foxh8er
what
@nicholasphan you are a very clueless person >_>
@foxh8er
plus portrait mode
plus display port and downstream USB
@foxh8er if its not IPS then who cares? This monitor will look a million times better than your $150 monitor, thats why its more expensive.
@aughscreennames Can you or anyone recommend any other good IPS panels? There aren't any options for something like that when I search websites like newegg.
@sweetelectro
you'd say that on a tech blog like this people would be more savvy about monitor technology, but apparently Engadget commetors are only great at bashing Apple news.
IPS panels are way better than TN monitors that sell for 150 bucks, due to their better color accuracy and wider viewing angles. The higher end IPS monitors are used in design & photography industries where these properties are very important.
This 23" Dell has probably the same eIPS panel (made by LG) as the NEC ea231 which sells for under 300$, and is OK for casual users who like better colors and viewing angles for a decent price, but it wont blow you out of the water like a NEC 2490wuxi or LaCie 724.
Also, the Dell U2410 is a very good IPS choice with 1920x1200 res at 24" and is priced around $500.
@BogdanGC Ah, is it really worth the price? 500 is a lot of money for 24" inches IMO, but if it's quality it's hard to say no. After getting my nexus one's beautiful screen in my hands I would never give it up, over saturated colors or not :)
I'm looking for something up to 27" to play games on, I might just have to settle with something a bit smaller with a better panel.
Thanks for the tips!
@sweetelectro
if you only want to play games and your position when playing is not at an angle then you could get a 27" TN monitor for well under $500. TN panels usually offer better response times than IPS which is better for games. For everything else the latter is a better experience.
Hugs my u2711.
@Wag
Steals his U2711
@Wag
hugs my savings
@JeremyBenthem
Steals his savings.
@Wag if you can do with 3" less (insert joke) you can cut your cost in half by getting the u2410 for $499 (with current instant rebate)
@David V
fffuuuu....
@owen66 There is also the new HP zr24w, a 1920x1200 24" IPS display, available online, AFTER shipping, for around $420.
@owen66
I didn't pay much more than that for my u2711 on eBay, and considering the differences between displays it was well worth it.
@Wag
Though I am probably shooting myself in the foot saying this, for my desk 24" is the most I can really handle with my laptop open next to it. Would I mind a 27-30"? No, but it sure as hell wouldn't fit. Jealous though.
After switching to my IPS panel my eyes bleed looking at colors on TN panels, but that is just the anal photographer coming out.
@JKooL
Gross!
@Tumbleweed
I put together a system for somebody with this monitor. Very good stuff, was 420 shipped on amazon. Overall, though, My ancient Dell 2005FPW has better image quality. Not a knock on the HP because the 2005fpw's are classics.
Oh wow, 21.5' with 1920x1080? Talking about schemers to make people buy more expensive computers for nothing... It shouldn't even be allowed such a high resolution in things smaller than 32'...
Oh well guess its useful for people who need something for image edition.
@inu
My 15.6" laptop has 1920x1080. They still make 15.4" laptops with 1920x1200.
@DrDr Oh wow, and here i was thinking that 1440x900 on my 15.4' already made my eyes hurt not that long periods of time reading and editing text and code.
Can't even imagine how painful that must be and what kind of laptop GPU feeds that beast when you want to do some gaming.
@inu Uhm... With computer monitors it's very usefull with high resolution, because you watch them from such a short distance. I have 1080p on my 24" and I use every pixel. ;P
@inu Heh, that's one of the things that's always annoyed me about my 15" MBP, the low res. Nice to see they're offering a reasonable res on 15" again, though it's a $150 bump and only available in matte, though why anyone would want glossy is still beyond me.
@inu
My laptop also has this amazing thing called a multitouch trackpad that lets me make text as big or small as I want it to be.
@jfine Wasn't that cost related? I understood they "save" some money by going glossy making the lappy 5 or 10 euros cheaper in the end.
I also despite glossy screens, they really screw up the true colours and make using computer outside a big challenge.
Plus they always need to have the back-light higher in order to give a similar effect to matte even indoors.
@jfine
I love my glossy MBP - but I use in environments without back lighting behind my screen.